If autists are the next step in human evolution, why are so many of them unemployed?

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Autists are smarter than the average person and erego superior. Why then is it that society doesn’t recognize this? Why are so many autists passed over for employment or promotion, even when it’s something far beneath them like being a cashier or a literal jannie?

 

[Solid Snek]

Assuming that this is true and not just a dumb internet stereotype:
Society is set up to cater to normies, autists are a small minority who have to navigate in what is essentially a hostile environment to them.
If you set up society in a way that caters to autists, you would see normies failing in all areas.
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If the job those animals are applying for involves climbing trees, then that is a perfectly fair selection. Equal opportunity does not produce equal outcomes.

As for autists not making it in a normie world, society is "set up in a way" that caters to the needs of the market. Autists could certainly thrive in the world - computer autists managing computers, farming autists managing farms, train autists managing rail transport, cleaning autists managing janitorial work, etc. - but they'd need to produce something of tangible value to the marketplace, rather than just sitting around drawing trains all day.

If you flip things around, put the cart before the autistic horse and make a society that unfairly caters to the needs of autists rather than the pragmatic needs of the market, then nothing will get done, society will collapse, and autists will starve to death in front of their now-internetless computers, still deseperately trying to access their favorite DA pages.

 

[DoNotReadTheFinePrint]

The problem is a majority of them wallow in their autism and their behavioral differences instead of seeking help or trying to chance. I think the parents also play a role in not teaching them/giving them rules to follow on how to behave in social situations and generally sheltering and coddling them.
While the low-functioning are generally a cause for live long aid, the high-functioning people have the wherewithal to actually learn to deal with it, but just if they want to and a lot don't. Fake it till you make should be their motto.

 

[5574]

autistic people aren't smarter. in many places, they're actually dumber. i disagree that they're the next step in human evolution, they're just a weird divergence that won't go anywhere

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

It's a crapshot.

I feel really bad for the ones that are dumb and autistic. At least the ones who are smart have something going for them.

 

[TerrorSperg99]

I think you could use the high functioning ones as disposable soldiers as they don’t show any empathy so you wouldn’t have to train them to kill and it would be a effective way to get rid of them As long as they’re not too crazy and teamkill like private Pyle

 

[Niggernerd]

Returning to monke is very avant garde

 

[Product Placement]

Because they know automation is coming to take all the jobs, just getting ahead start on the rest of us

 

[Cuntflaps]

Evolution doesn't mean progression toward anything other than being a good fit for the environment. Evolution has no concept of "forward" only survival and reproduction. The "next step" in human evolution is the people who have lots of kids who in turn have lots of kids and so on. Due to selection pressures being so loose after the industrial revolution this basically selects for fertility and desire to have sex. After that it's a matter of either wanting to have kids or being so dumb you can't effectively use contraception and then deciding not to abort for whatever reason.


The phenomena of "gifted" children growing up to be mediocre adults I think is more complicated then IQ tests being unreliable at measuring g (which in many regards they are). In order to be exceptional in the modern globalized society you can't just be very smart, you have to be brilliant and lucky. You aren't trying to be the best in your tribe you're trying to be the best in the world. Overprotective parents also stunt their growth and their ability to face challenge and take risks. If you never learn how to take risks or face challenge you'll never make good use of your intelligence. You can also grow lazy if you are able to depend too much on your intelligence when you are younger, and so you won't learn how to work hard and apply yourself. Then when you meet actual challenge that is a match for your intelligence, you just crumble because you aren't prepared to deal with it. At that point it's just easier to be mediocre and never risk meeting a challenge that matches your intelligence. I sound like a fucking boomer but grit really is an asset. An average Jo with no natural talent can become world class if he has world class grit.
And then yes, IQ tests aren't entirely reliable. They are still pretty good you just have to know the narrow area in which they are applicable; comparing people of the same age who grew up in the same culture. Outside of that they break down as a useful tool.

Interesting response! There are definitely a large number of factors that would affect outcome as it would be defined in this scenario. I don't think it's boomer adjacent to say grit matters, either -- it definitely does. People can have all the innate ability required to accomplish their goals, make 100% of the "right moves," and still somehow end up fucked over (luck, as you said). If someone in that scenario doesn't persist despite setbacks, the goals go unaccomplished, and the innate ability is never really used to its full potential.

 

[MAPK phosphatase]

autistic people aren't smarter. in many places, they're actually dumber. i disagree that they're the next step in human evolution, they're just a weird divergence that won't go anywhere

I agree that for most autistic people it's a disability, but not that it's a weird divergence that won't go anywhere. Occasionally geniuses have some autistic traits that are an asset to them, which helps with group selection.

If you have a genius who's really tuned in with the way the world works you want them rejecting all of the dumb ideas everyone has and correcting course. It's easier to do that if you simply do not care about social graces. Newton was a notorious asshole. When Leibniz showed off his calculus to Newton, Newton was like "wow, thanks for showing me a 4th way to do something I already knew how to do three other ways", only more sarcastic than that. Archimedes had "The Method" which went entirely against the style of mathematics of the time and was also thousands of years advanced to the mathematics of the time. If only it wasn't also lost for thousands of years...
The over-stimulation for a regular person is a huge data-stream for a genius and so they are less likely to ignore some important information off to the side because their brain is broken in the right way for them to not be able to ignore it. Being good in science and art requires being detail oriented, and if you are capable of taking in and processing every detail, then doing that by default is an asset.

Because geniuses are such a huge asset for a population, it makes sense to have a bit of autism swimming around the gene pool on the off chance you'll get an autistic person who's also a genius and fling everyone 100's of years into the future. Of course you don't want too many autistic genes because at some point it becomes maladaptive for the population. Being really good at working with others is the name of the game for everyone who isn't a genius (and even geniuses need some level of social ability).

 

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Autists are smarter than the average person and erego superior. Why then is it that society doesn’t recognize this? Why are so many autists passed over for employment or promotion, even when it’s something far beneath them like being a cashier or a literal jannie?

Because after Post-modernity comes Idiocracy.

 

[Merrick]

They don't need the job because they have caretakers and monthly tugboats.

 

[Idiotron]

If the job those animals are applying for involves climbing trees, then that is a perfectly fair selection. Equal opportunity does not produce equal outcomes.

As for autists not making it in a normie world, society is "set up in a way" that caters to the needs of the market. Autists could certainly thrive in the world - computer autists managing computers, farming autists managing farms, train autists managing rail transport, cleaning autists managing janitorial work, etc. - but they'd need to produce something of tangible value to the marketplace, rather than just sitting around drawing trains all day.

If you flip things around, put the cart before the autistic horse and make a society that unfairly caters to the needs of autists rather than the pragmatic needs of the market, then nothing will get done, society will collapse, and autists will starve to death in front of their now-internetless computers, still deseperately trying to access their favorite DA pages.

You're talking about "the market" because that's how our society is set up.
However, there can be a million ways to set it up, many which don't even have such a thing as "the market", ones that don't have things such as money.
Sure, it would take work to make a functional one but it can be done and if you don't think so then you lack imagination.