If the United States truly collapsed would you move somewhere else?

[niqlo]

The entire reason the second amendment and stuff even exists, is to prevent a scenario like that from happening. If people's guns were forcibly taken from them, then they would fight back, and prevent it from happening. There are way more guns than people in the US, so I don't see how that could even happen. It won't.

If society collapsed and/or war happened in the US, then I'd probably travel there and hang out, talk to different people, take some videos, etc. It'd certainly be interesting.

 

[Demon King]

Id probably move to a small tropical island and hope china doesn't invade it. Spend the rest of my life spear fishing.

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Since I live in the middle of the Alaskan bush I might just try to retreat *into* the country and fight against the enemy asymmetrically. Who knows- if I play my cards right maybe I'll get lost in the bush for so long someone sends some gonzo journalist decades later to tell me the war's been over for years like those old Japanese Holdouts in the south pacific. Worst case scenario I can try to flee across the pond to Kamchatka.

At the end of the day, an insurgency/civil war/rebellion in the rural parts of America (especially the midwest "flyover" states like Wyoming and Kansas) would utterly cripple any attempt at a centralized government because of:

1. the US Military's historic track record of abysmal failure against even the most poorly-funded, ragtag guerillas (see Afghanistan)
2. the widespread availability of military grade firearms (a semi-automatic FN-FAL is technically military-grade) as well as the fact that IEDs are extremely easy to make with household materials- roadside IEDs were the bane of many people in Iraq and Afghanistan
3. A extremely pissed-off veteran class who nonsensically believe conflicts like Afghanistan and Vietnam were only lost due to "political failures" like the old German "stab-in-the-back" myth
4. All-too-eager foreign rivals that would be chomping at the bit to send aid- both in terms of materials and "advisors" (China and Russia would probably spearhead some kind of "Shanghai Treaty Organization Intervention Force")

The insurgency itself doesn't even have to be some unified entity- civil wars like Syria have shown the coalitions and "enemy of my enemy" agreements between various pissant factions/warlord cliques/militias can has strong enough to cripple the governments they fight against. Plus- I imagine racial tensions in the US especially would probably lead to alot of pogroms/massacres/war rape like you saw between all the various ethnic groups in Yugoslavia during it's breakdown.

 

[ZeCommissar]

The US isn't going to fall like that. I see it very unlikely that the US is going to go out with such a "bang" and more like a whimper. Gone are the days of major superpowers being destroyed by massive rebellions, or foreign conquest. Its going to be akin to the Soviet Union dissolving in 1991 except more autistic. Is it impossible? No, but like I said highly unlikely.

Even if a Civil War 2:Electric Boogaloo did kick off it would be a very long time for the "winning" faction to be able to consolidate power over the defeated. Hell it took the union awhile to completely stamp out the confederacy remnants IRL, and we can clearly see confederate spirit still alive even today somewhat. That was only mostly the Eastern part of the country almost 200 years ago, so imagine now having to deal with the fucking Rocky Mountains, the entire midwest, and everywhere in between. I would not want to be the people in charge of cleaning that mess up. Not to mention the massive geopolitical shitshow such an event would be. We could talk about that one for hours.

But the OPs question wasn't whether or not its possible.

If the US did truly go out in that way then depending on my age, and ability I would certainly try to find the side that best lines up with my beliefs and fight to the bitter end to see this nation live. If i'm too old and useless on the field, I would try anyway to help out, or if the situation was truly hopeless where every side is just fucking trash regardless of who wins I would gather as much as my family as I could and seek asylum somewhere. Where? I don't know since the entire world would be in chaos trying to get with the situation and Canada would lock down their border hard.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

Where the fuck is left to escape to if the US collapses? Maybe some South Pacific island but the rest of the West is already sliding into totalitarianism. At least some states are fighting back against the Feds.

 

[Ona Quest]

So, immigrants are bad, unless you want to be an immigrant

 

[Uncle Remus]

Shit I don't even live in the US, I guess I might try join la raza ese

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Where? I don't know since the entire world would be in chaos trying to get with the situation and Canada would lock down their border hard.

This time, there would be no America to escape to.

 

[Certified_Autist]

Probably wouldn't leave. No experience living elsewhere and I have the advantage here of knowing the terrain and speaking the language. Plus America is a big country. So even if the government collapses/turns evil, there are still plenty of isolated places to hide.

If I absolutely had to leave I'd probably go to Latin America or Siberia. Same reasoning as staying in America; even if the governments are shit, there's lots of wilderness where you can avoid them.

Where the fuck is left to escape to if the US collapses? Maybe some South Pacific island but the rest of the West is already sliding into totalitarianism. At least some states are fighting back against the Feds.

South Pacific will likely be Chinese if it comes to that. Maybe if you're lucky it will be Japanese instead.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Nowhere, I'd laugh until I realized where I was living and fall into a funk.

 

[Secret Asshole]

If I have my terminal degree by then I can basically go anywhere on Earth. The problem is that if you go to Eastern Europe, you're close to Russia. If you go to the South Pacific, you're near China. TBH, I would move to places as far and as least interesting to super-powers as possible.

Here are Secret Asshole's Top Countries for when the US' asshole implodes. If there's enough interest I'll do more. But today, we go over a minor meme country is Belize.

Belize

I know, there's a 'Better Call Saul' Joke in here, but hear me out.

Pros:
- English is the Official and National Language, so you don't have to learn a new language.
- The Second most spoken language is Spanish, which is Easy to Learn
- Its Anthem is the 'Land of the Free'
- It has the lowest population density of Central America
- It is warm year round.
- Primarily a Protestant and Catholic Country
- Low Cost of Living
- Holidays Resemble Christian and US Holidays
- Nobody is going to Invade Belize any time soon
- Far enough away to avoid a world war and nuclear holocaust
- Tax Haven
- Culturally Close to what you're used to

Cons
- High Income Inequality (Though coming from the US, your money and education will give a leg up)
- Crime against tourists and expats is increasing, but you just have to watch your surroundings
- Might want to spend a bit more money for a nice neighborhood

Belize is basically what I call the 'lazy man's option'. It isn't Europe, it isn't squashed between super powers, its close enough in culture and the United States where you'll be able to live comftorably.

 

[Ser Prize]

Not American, but Canadian so American in all but name. I'd try to seek out a likeminded commune/town in the metric fuck-off tons of wilderness we have. Try to live like that.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

You don't move into another home just because your present one was dirtied.

I was born and raised in the States. This is my home, for better or worse. As such, in some indelible measure-- no matter how small-- I'm responsible not only for how my present neighborhood, town, county, state and nation's society have shaped up, but how they will shape up. Not only is escaping this country specifically to evade its downfall an improper abdication of this responsibility, but I risk bringing the malignant attitudes that contributed to the downfall of my country to other countries. Alternatively, the lack of action I manifested that allowed the ruin of this country to come to pass will again manifest when faced with the decline of that country. Will I then move again, as many times as I "need" to, and become no more than a vagrant? Or will I do what I can to fight against the decline of said country when I didn't do so for my former home?

Becoming a resident of another country isn't the issue, but rather it's the motivations in moving that must be scrutinized. Ultimately, I may consider moving elsewhere for the sake of my wife and children, but regarding myself, I must above all develop myself into someone capable of fulfilling the aforementioned responsibility I have regarding the future of the society wherein I live.

It isn't as if this country is decaying because of other nations pushing their war power down on us. All the problems that we face, that we complain about-- they're ultimately the product of a cascade of poor decisions from individuals and the communities wherein they dwell, that are both reflective of their societies and influence them in their consequences. The politicians we deride don't arise from a void, but come from our communities. Money from foreign entities that is allegedly used to subvert us can only work if we allow it to, and we do. To fix many of the issues we rail on about requires a great deal of sacrifice, of self-yoking, of loin-girding, of discipline-- all of which we presently aren't willing to do.

But that's the only way this comes close to stopping.

 

[Jarch6]

I expect a slow managed decline (boiling the proverbial frogs is the plan as it ensures that people will never rise up against them), if the regime was ever threatened to the point it needed to manifest its power openly I can't imagine what would happen to the world. I do know that the reach of their tentacles will try to drag as many people down with them and that those with any sort of power will cling on until the bitter end. If I ever felt that where I lived was becoming unliveable I would definitely move in with family members in Central America.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's Current Year. Where could one move if the USA collapsed?

It could be better if one could leave this crazy evil planet.

(space travel to orbit doesn't count too much as spaceflight)

 

[Duke Nukem]

All the English speaking countries are shit and suck ass. What's happening to Australia will happen here.