Opinion If the US economy is doing great, why are most Americans not feeling it?

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If the US economy is doing great, why are most Americans not feeling it?​

There’s been a debate lately in the United States about the supposed success of President Joe Biden’s economic policies and the “vibecession” (a perceived recession based on a pessimistic outlook on the economy, term coined by financial influencer Kyla Scanlon) apparently taking place, which has been led by one X (formerly Twitter) user named Will Stancil.

Will argues that Bidenomics – the collective name for the current administration’s economic strategy, which is directed ostensibly at supporting the working class, reducing income inequality, and strengthening the social safety net – is working. The US economy is red-hot and, on the back of historically low unemployment, labor finally has the power to push for higher wages and fairer contracts, which ought to be making people’s lives better.

But, as is always the case, the internet disagrees, and people’s lived experience contradicts the hard numbers. X users shouted Stancil down with the fact that property prices are through the roof, so much so that Generation Z can probably never even fathom home ownership. Others are pointing to the fact that most Americans still live paycheck-to-paycheck, which means that any semi-large financial event could see them on the streets.

These are fair points. Homeownership is the primary way for people to build generational wealth. Due to high interest rates and ballooning property prices, it’s true that young Americans who aren’t already in the market may never get in. That’s a huge factor in this and leads to the pervasive feeling that things aren’t going well. But there’s something a bit bigger at play.

At the same time, before delving further, it must be said that Will is correct. Bidenomics is apparently working, at least to the extent that finding a job is quite easy these days. According to recent surveys, job satisfaction is at a historic high, wages are going up and inflation has gone way down. But people just don’t feel that way. Another recent Wall Street Journal poll found that 58% of registered voters think that the economy has gotten worse over the past two years and 74% of them think inflation has moved in the wrong direction despite that evidently not being the case.

So what gives? Why do people feel so pessimistic if things are so great? Stancil would say that today’s world is different than the past. Particularly, due to the advent of social media and (perhaps) the polarization of the media, there is a large narrative that hypes up people’s discontent. He would say, much like the ancient philosophers, that we live in a world constructed by narratives and that our lived experience is highly influenced by our preconceptions.

There might be some merit to this, evidenced by how people were split on the economy of former US president Donald Trump even though it looked similarly good on paper. However, what’s really changed the most in about the past seven years or so is the fact that Americans – particularly younger Americans – are beginning to apply comparative politics in how they view the world, i.e. they are seeing the difference between how America functions compared to the rest of the world.

With just a pedestrian understanding of virtually any other country, you will see that our system is very unforgiving: Americans do not have universal health care, universal higher education, accessible public transportation, government-mandated vacation time, or generous social benefits found in most other countries. This alone creates a sense that we’re being cheated and that our lives are highly precarious, which I would argue, as an American who has lived and traveled to many countries, is mostly the case.

Today, outrageous housing costs are creating more and more blight and visible poverty, including more homeless people on the streets. For Americans, this creates an inherent fear, because we implicitly understand that we are one emergency or bad choice – in the case of addiction – from being on the streets too. So, even if the economy is doing quite well today by American standards, we feel that total financial ruin is always right around the corner if just one thing goes wrong.

This is why it’s important to approach the “vibecession” debate from a broader and systemic point of view that both looks at the numbers and takes lived experiences into account. For example, if it really is true that the economy has never been better – or, some might argue, at least not for decades – then how is it possible that so many people are on edge? Because the American socioeconomic system is designed to be that way.

Americans started to realize this once things like ‘Medicare for All’ and ‘Tuition-free college’ entered into mainstream discussion, and when ‘Democratic Socialism’ and leftist politics, in general, had a rejuvenation on the back of the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign. That movement highlighted these systemic issues front and center, and it has continued to this day in helping Americans realize that the way we run things is perhaps not the best in terms of taking care of basic needs.

On this, I am reminded of one quote from Friedrich Engels in ‘Socialism: Utopian and Scientific’, in which he describes the concept of historical materialism. He wrote, “The growing perception that existing social institutions are unreasonable and unjust, that reason has become unreason, and right wrong, is only proof that in the modes of production and exchange changes have silently taken place with which the social order, adapted to earlier economic conditions, is no longer in keeping.”

While the average American is obviously not a card-carrying communist, the point is still relevant. It doesn’t matter how many jobs are created or how much wages grow in a quantitative way if the qualitative American experience remains precarious. That’s probably what is at the heart of why so many people feel that things are wrong.
 
You want to know something? Before the Revolution, they knew the numbers were fucked. Everyone knew. The government knew, the people knew, everyone knew. The people know, but does the government?
The government doesn't care.
 
It's because the US economy isn't doing well and it's a bunch of lies spouted by people in DC and other places that want you to think it's ok. The issue is we have retards that think saying the economy isn't doing well = full blown Weimar conditions when that isn't the case. The US economy has been shit for over 20 years now. For as far back as I can remember. I got out of high school in 2003. That's about the time when I started to realize just how shitty it is. Just more people are starting to feel the effects of the shitty economy under late stage capitalism. So it's becoming harder to coverup and deny the state of the economy. It was fine when it was just a small population of older Millennials that were still young and fresh out of high school. You could do Boomer shit like call them lazy and just cast their complaints about the economy jobs and wages aside. Now more people are feeling the impact. We are reaching the point where things will change one way or another good or bad. Things will change. The US economy can't keep going this way with late stage capitalism. Eventually people will have to admit that capitalism has failed. It's an unsustainable system.
 
A lot of people aren't well versed in economics so they don't understand fully why the news is telling them "inflation is lower" but they know what they see when they go to the grocery store, buy gas to put into their car, or basically do anything to try and make ends meet. So we the actual people feel it while the retards pumping out this propaganda aren't going to feel the pinch when they gas up their Ferrari or charge their EPV.

The other thing as people here have pointed out, the jobs numbers are completely cooked and are basically fairy dust at this point. You will see headlines like "Greater Than Expected Job Report," but what they will do two or three months later is "revise" the numbers down significantly, so for instance July's numbers were "higher than expected" at 185,000 new jobs, but in reality they revised it down 80,000, to just 105,000 jobs, a 44% drop. They did it again in August by 30,000 more jobs from 187,000 to 157,000.

The unrevised numbers for both these months were lower than what they predicted, the revised numbers are putrid. Then if you dive into the job reports you find most of these "new jobs" are second and third jobs workers are taking because they can't afford their rent or to eat, it isn't because the economy is growing any as most of the GDP numbers are all from government printing money and spending it. Full time jobs are going down and part time jobs are starting to surge as well, it is a fucking mess and just because a lot of people cannot explain it, they know it is happening because they feel it and see it.
 
Because Biden, like Obama, is lying about the economy. Numbers can be made up, my time at the gas station is real. Job numbers are fabricated; people having trouble getting entry level positions is real.
The real rate of unemployment is far higher than the 3.7% the BLS (and by extension, the media) reports.

The rate the BLS uses is called the U3 measure, which only counts someone as unemployed if they have been out of work for less than six months and are actively looking for a job.

Here is a link with more information: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080415/true-unemployment-rate-u6-vs-u3.asp

And here are some excerpts:

"U-3 is often criticized for being too simple. Many economists believe it fails to take the whole picture into account because it includes only people who are actively seeking employment. It actually excludes individuals who work part-time but want full-time work and discouraged workers. The latter are unemployed individuals who are able to work but haven't looked for a job for the last four weeks."

"Here are a few examples of individuals who wouldn't be included in the U-3 rate:
  • A stonemason who wants to work but became discouraged by a lack of opportunity in the midst of a deep economic recession
  • A marketing executive who was laid off at age 57 and stopped scheduling new job interviews because they repeatedly encountered age discrimination
  • A person who only works one six-hour shift per week because no full-time jobs are available in their area"

Anyway, according to the BLS, the U6 rate for August 2023 is 7.1%, nearly double the "official" unemployment rate:


But that still doesn't tell the whole story... If you are stuck in some shitty fast food or retail job making minimum wage or barely over, and don't have enough money to pay all of your bills, guess what? You don't count, even in U6 statistics. So what is the median salary in the US, meaning half of people make less than that amount?

The most recent year I could find any data for was 2021, and that median figure then was $37,586.03.

So that is a good proxy for how much the average American makes. That number is probably a little higher now, for ease of calculation, let's say it's a nice round $40,000 / year. All of the following numbers are assuming that you're filing as a single person without kids.

After Federal withholding, your $40,000 / year shrinks to $33,899. If you live in a state without a state income tax, you'll have $2824 a month to live off of... Let's say you are unfortunate enough to live in a high tax state like Hawaii. Your take-home pay shrinks to $31,582, which is $2631 / month.

Now let's look at expenses. The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in the US is $1510:


That number goes up pretty drastically if you live in or near a major city though... In the 50 largest metro areas as of June 2022, the average rent for a one-bedroom was $1876:


Let's just say that the average rent in a metro for a one-bedroom apartment as of today is $1900, though it's probably even higher than that. So assuming that you are a single person living in a major metro area, making $40,000 a year, in a state that has no income tax, after you pay your rent you have $924 dollars to pay for literally everything else that you need to live.

Utilities, gasoline, car payment, food, hygiene necessities, etc. Is less than $1000 really enough to pay for all of that? In some places, yes, but just barely... In most places, no, not even close. If you need a $1000 repair on your car, you're utterly fucked. Forget about saving anything for an emergency, or for a vacation, or any big-ticket purchase that makes being a wagie just a bit more bearable, you don't have the money. And retirement? Lol. Lmao even.

If the US economy is doing great, why are most Americans not feeling it?

Now you know the answer.

Also, daily reminder no matter how much you think you hate journos, you don't hate them nearly enough.
 
The US government and media have been using slight of hand tracks to embellish and misconstrue economic conditions for sometime. The way unemployment numbers are calculated is so fucking dishonest I marvel that any one pays any heed. They count people taking unemployment. They do not include "discouraged workers," ie people who have simply given up looking for a job. They also do not include the long term unemployed, ie people who do not collect unemployment because the benefits expired. Nor do they count people who are unemployed. And if someone is working two part time, near or at minimum wage "gigger" jobs, that actually creates two jobs.

2008 was actually a depression, but few mainstream mainstream outlets will call it that, even though they can pin it on George W Bush on the dubious assumption that a sitting president is always responsible for economic conditions without arguing what policies he implemented (or did not implement) behind any state of the economy. Obama's "recovery" was so tepid I refuse to call it a recovery at all.

As for inflation, as others pointed out, it is not that inflation is down, or that prices are actually going down, it is that the rate of inflation is no longer ten percent. And that number was bullshit, too, because the prices of some commodities more than doubled, others going up twenty percent or more.

In short, we are ruled by those who lie, as we have been for over a century.

Edit @Get the rope Macaulay! I'm not whinging about paying being it on Bush, in stating it surprises me they don't call it a depression to make Bush look bad. I'm always skeptical of associating a president with economic factors absent some analysis that links any set of economic factors to a President's policy. Bill Clinton was rejected and survived the Lewinsky scandal on notion he was somehow responsible for the 90s after the early 90s recession went away but I've never been convinced he had any real part in that
 
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even though they can pin it on George W Bush on the dubious assumption that a sitting president is always responsible for economic conditions without arguing what policies he implemented (or did not implement) behind any state of the economy. Obama's "recovery" was so tepid I refuse to call it a recovery at all.

As for inflation, as others pointed out, it is not that inflation is down, or that prices are actually going down, it is that the rate of inflation is no longer ten percent. And that number was bullshit, too, because the prices of some commodities more than doubled, others going up twenty percent or more.
depending on what industry you look at inflation is 18% YoY. Just in general its easier to assume prices have doubled since 2019. Also weird to whine about pinning the bad economy on bush when he had 8 whole years to fix any of the numerous problems with it (in theory)

Just in general it seemed like every young adult in 2007 was able to find a place to live and afford it on entry level jobs, even GED earners. Unless you were an addict or had a kid or jumped from job to job it was easier to rent or even buy a place in 2007 than live at home most times. There's also this weird thing parents of that generation had where as long as you lived somewhere else you could do your laundry and eat dinner/lunch at home. So outside of the bed you were really living at home.

Now i don't think i know a single person under 25 that lives outside the home, the few that do either do it because of college or a job so far from their families or they're orphans/disowned. If i'm being more honest the under 30 dont seem to be living outside the home much either.

That might be more because 3.5 years since covid means you were probably still too young to look for a place when the economy went in the shitter. But it really is crazy that because of economics an entire decade has been sapped out of people developmentally. your average 20 year old in the bush era was way more likely to have their shit together than your average 30 year old in the biden era. And thats rather fucking amazing when you consider a decade more of life experience as well as being way more likely to have a degree.
 
Not to be doomy mcdoom pill of the blackpill family, but at this point the second anyone in power officially says we are in a depression then hell breaks loose and the left in particular will be fucked.

if the economy is being held together by duct tape and clapping hands to spam revive materia magic to bring Tinkerbell back to life Peter Pan style. admitting we are in a depression means a domino chain of bad shit will finally start toppling over fucking over western civilization.

I've long said that the elite's 2030 fearmongger is code for them trying to reinstall the mechanics to bring back modern day feudalism in all of it's forms and shapes updated to the 21st century without any hiding that they are doing it as far as full masks off evil is concerned. Trump getting elected fucked them over from getting the framework in place and COVID was a hail mary to unseat Trump that had the added blowback of accelerating shit and now making it so that the economy will self-destruct BEFORE 2030, BEFORE the elites can properly enslave the masses outright.

Even if they do it under a Republican President, too much shit has happened for the Democrats to get away scott free.
 
2022 was full of news headlines about how the USA was in a "technical" recession, combined with aggressive interest rate hikes almost every month or so. 2023 (as of September) saw the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and several other institutions, the indictment of a billionaire cryptocurrency con artist who managed to outdo Bernie Madoff, and persistent global inflation.

Ignoring whatever realities I face, it must be said that the MSM's long-term memory of their past headlines is appallingly short. You'd have to be an unhinged maniac living in denial worse than Ethan Ralph's to think that the USA's economy is doing well. Also, even if I were to be charitable to the senile sexual deviant we call "President," all the impressive feats that "Bidenomics" can claim are more easily chalked up to "we ain't locked down no more receiving government stipends; now we gotta work again."
 
Just a reminder that the feds printed more new dollars in 2021, than the entirety of the history of the USA. But inflation totally isn't a thing guys. Because that supply and demand thing that gets taught; the whole idea of an excess lowers the worth and a shortage increases its worth, that applies to the idiotic teaching method of Guns and Butter, but that does not... I repeat... DOES NOT... affect the number of printed dollars in circulation. Because this is economics, and there are no rules, we just make shit up and act surprised when the bottom falls out.
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Source: https://techstartups.com/2021/12/18/80-us-dollars-existence-printed-january-2020-october-2021/
 
It's because the US economy isn't doing well and it's a bunch of lies spouted by people in DC and other places that want you to think it's ok. The issue is we have retards that think saying the economy isn't doing well = full blown Weimar conditions when that isn't the case. The US economy has been shit for over 20 years now. For as far back as I can remember. I got out of high school in 2003. That's about the time when I started to realize just how shitty it is. Just more people are starting to feel the effects of the shitty economy under late stage capitalism. So it's becoming harder to coverup and deny the state of the economy. It was fine when it was just a small population of older Millennials that were still young and fresh out of high school. You could do Boomer shit like call them lazy and just cast their complaints about the economy jobs and wages aside. Now more people are feeling the impact. We are reaching the point where things will change one way or another good or bad. Things will change. The US economy can't keep going this way with late stage capitalism. Eventually people will have to admit that capitalism has failed. It's an unsustainable system.
Because communism works so well and doesn't end up with piles of bodies. We're in this mess because capitalism has been left to run wild without restraints. The elites purposely did this. Put glass-stegal back in place. shut down the border. shrink the government. We'll be fine. But the elites don't want that. They want to suck the 99% bone dry of everything and then punish them for complaining / noticing.
 
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Cause non russian government funded news would just lie about the us economy
 
I remember when lefties used to rightly think it was awful when a member of a right wing Brazilian junta said, "The economy is doing well; the people not so well." Now it's the fucking Democrats who are saying the same damn thing.
 
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