If we had to go without the Internet

[niqlo]

Someone's gotta do it.

 

[AmpleApricots]

It's a very optimistic view of things if you really think you can just go back to a pre-computer society without chaos and at least partial societal collapse. There's no economy without computers. Hasn't been for a very long time. We're kind of a "have to always go forward to even stay alive" deal. And if you think we're too dependent on technology now, look into what the future holds in regards to AI. You've seen nothing yet.

 

[Cool Dog]

Not only are WD and Seagate lowering the quality, they were doing so while not informing customers last year. They started using SMR(shingled magnetic recording) in high end drives without mentioning it. SMR is slower but makes increasing the storage capacity easier. This is fine in consumer grade drives. Not in stuff like WD Red.

So any lawsuits or what?

I know DVD-R's and CD-R's have official shelf lives but I have CD-R's I burned around 20 years ago that still read just fine, not that I haven't backed up anything on CD-R worth saving.

Although both laptops I use have internal drives because they're both pushing a decade old, I do have an external Blu-Ray burner drive for hypothetical situations where I cannot order a new laptop with an internal drive. My preference is still for the internal drive, just because the external drive is slower, and I hope there's still a niche market for laptops that are thick enough to install internal optical drives in even if I can no longer buy laptops with optical drives pre-installed.

I wish I wasnt in a fucking third world country where its illegal to import used tech that way I could get some LTO4 tapes and back my shit to that

Anyway, didnt know external drives are slower, also internal drives are becoming hard to come by around here and nobody can repair this shit either, fucking sucks

All my important stuff is on M-Disc or BluRay. And I autisticly horded burners that supported lightscribe and M-Disc as my employer was filling dumpers with PC's the last few upgrade cycles.
The way you store your disc's is the biggest issue. UV light kills cheap CD and DVD roms. So does moisture. It gets between the plastic and the ink coating and lifts the coating off. I have discs I burned in the 2x days that where on COMPUSA brand crap that still work fine.

I have an older mirror of wikipedia. I have stuff like /k/'s "murdercube" burned to BR. I have a few different versions of Encarta and Britannica(*). I use HTTrack to make offline copies of web1.0 sites before they vanish and burn them to disc. Lots of technical data and service manuals that where put on the internet have been lost to time as hosts shut down. I youtube-dl important videos. I always save PDF's even if I find 1 line useful. Always save drivers and software I use. Really important things like the service manuals to tools and equipment I depend on I print and bind. I love my duplex laser printer.
And for books I have a full set of World Book encyclopedia from the 1949 and 1989. Old technical and educational books are normally dirt cheap to free at tag sales or Abebooks. I have full sets of FSM's for my cars and truck.

(*) There might be copies here https://archive.org/details/cd-roms


When I see people mention packet radio as an internet replacement I often wonder if they understand how slow AX.25 over 1200 & 300 baud half duplex really is. During the peak of it's popularity the text of this post might have taken a few minutes to get through a busy digipeater. Its very cool tech (I still play on Network105 with a real TNC) but it capabilities are basically limited to passing(store and forward) ASCII text messages only. Digitpeating anything interactive or in real time is pure torture. Especially when there is more then 1 user. Timeshare+half duplex on every hop
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Whats FSM? also lucky you with your employer just chucking old stuff away, over here they break shit rather than just let others use it, a country full of assholes

And yeah packet radio is slower than old BBS modems, I think we will most likely see meshnets done with cantennas and the like

What's the better HDD company that's not Seagate or Western Digital? I know Toshiba and some other companies make Hard Drives, what's the better company than for anyone who has expierence with those drives?

HGST has the best ratings but they got bought by wd so theres no knowing if they are kept independent or if their disks are getting downgraded

The only indie left its toshiba, pray they dont get bought by the other two

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

So any lawsuits or what?

Multiple Class Action Suits Over WD’s SMR Hard Drives Filed in US and Canada
Archive

 

[sasazuka]

Anyway, didnt know external drives are slower, also internal drives are becoming hard to come by around here and nobody can repair this shit either, fucking sucks

I don't know if every external optical drive is slower than internal optical drives but the one I have is powered via USB so, since the same wire is being used both to send power to the optical drive and also send data to and from the computer, that probably cuts into the read/write speed. I've tested it by recovering files on old CD-RW's using both that external drive and an internal drive on the same computer, the internal drive is much faster.

 

[Jump]

Whats FSM?

Factory Service Manual. They are the books that get sent out to dealer service departments. They can normally be found on Ebay or swap meets after a few years have past from date of manufacture. You can order them from the dealer when the model is current but they are big $$$. Now most OEM's have moved to DVD's which you can find ISO's if you look around.

I don't know if every external optical drive is slower than internal optical drives but the one I have is powered via USB so, since the same wire is being used both to send power to the optical drive and also send data to and from the computer, that probably cuts into the read/write speed. I've tested it by recovering files on old CD-RW's using both that external drive and an internal drive on the same computer, the internal drive is much faster.

External drives are all over the map. If its a cheap slimline one with USB2.0 then thats gona be much slower then a nice internal one on SATA.
I have this beast from ASUS and its just as fast as anything else. Its actually just an internal drive in an ugly meme gaming enclosure that is a PITA because you can't stack anything on top of it.

 

[Darksy DePhil]

Kiwi Farms would probably be a magazine instead. A bit like a trashy celeb gossip magazine for the lolcows and a bit like Game Urara for the shitposting.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Not only are WD and Seagate lowering the quality, they were doing so while not informing customers last year. They started using SMR(shingled magnetic recording) in high end drives without mentioning it. SMR is slower but makes increasing the storage capacity easier. This is fine in consumer grade drives. Not in stuff like WD Red.

It gets funnier than that, they put SMR in what would be CMR drives, then they put 7200RPM drives, called them "5400RPM class", and sold them as NAS drives where they would make more sound and potentially cook themselves from the extra heat output.

It would be hilarious in some sort of subversive anti-art way to make an old 1900s-style Sears-Roebuck catalogue, except based on Amazon's current selection of chinesium.

This webpage makes no sense but if printed it could be a space saving Amazon style "ton of crap" spread in a catalogue.

What's the better HDD company that's not Seagate or Western Digital? I know Toshiba and some other companies make Hard Drives, what's the better company than for anyone who has expierence with those drives?

Toshiba is nice, never had a problem with them or the performance, their prices are also very competitive.