If you are racist, how did it happen?

Joey Caruso

Joey Caruso

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Curious whether it was acquired at some point in your life, something you were always raised in, or some other option entirely.
 
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Manul Otocolobus said:
You need to define "Racist" for the question to have any meaning.
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Good point, people do use that word to mean all kinds of shit. In this case I specifically refer to anyone who believes that one's worth and/or ability is explicitly tied to whatever race they were born into (and by extension maybe hate an entire group of people because of it). I don't give a shit about which specific demographics are involved.
 
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Joey Caruso said:
Good point, people do use that word to mean all kinds of shit. In this case I specifically refer to anyone who believes that one's worth and/or ability is explicitly tied to whatever race they were born into. I don't give a shit about which specific demographics are involved.
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What do you mean by this? Would someone who thinks, for example, that the world's best long-distance runners are most likely to be from a particular tribe in Kenya due to an intrinsic genetic advantage they have qualify? Because it sounds like they could.
 
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The Ugly One said:
What do you mean by this? Would someone who thinks, for example, that the world's best long-distance runners are most likely to be from a particular tribe in Kenya due to an intrinsic genetic advantage they have qualify? Because it sounds like they could.
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If you're looking specifically at the current pool of available runners from a statistical point of view then probably not. If you believe that the best runners always have and always will come from there for this specific reason then probably.
 
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Joey Caruso said:
If you're looking specifically at the current pool of available runners from a statistical point of view then probably not. If you believe that the best runners always have and always will come from there for this specific reason then probably.
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So, by your definition, if I believe in statistical distributions in ability that are defined by the allele frequencies associated with a given human sub-population, then I'm not a racist. I'm only a racist if I believe in an all-or-nothing, hard boundary with no variation or randomness.

Is there anyone who fits this definition of "racist?"
 
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The Ugly One said:
So, by your definition, if I believe in statistical distributions in ability that are defined by the allele frequencies associated with a given human sub-population, then I'm not a racist. I'm only a racist if I believe in an all-or-nothing, hard boundary with no variation or randomness.

Is there anyone who fits this definition of "racist?"
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Depends on what you mean by "believe in statistical distributions". Please elaborate further. What other statistical distributions do you believe are specifically tied to allele frequencies and no other factors?
 
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Joey Caruso said:
Depends on what you mean by "believe in statistical distributions". Please elaborate further. Is there an actual statistical distribution here to which you're referring or are you just using your imagination?
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It means you believe that abilities can be distributed differently within different populations.

For example, I believe that it is at least possible that the average Slav is able to build muscle mass more efficiently than the average Ghanaian. Or even vice versa. But I believe that it is at least possible that, if we were to look into the data, we might find a different distribution between the two populations.
 
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The Ugly One said:
It means you believe that abilities can be distributed differently within different populations.

For example, I believe that it is at least possible that the average Slav is able to build muscle mass more efficiently than the average Ghanaian. Or even vice versa. But I believe that it is at least possible that, if we were to look into the data, we might find a different distribution between the two populations.
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Yeah, I don't think this counts as racist in and of itself (in spite of what the media might be telling you). Similar ideas can however be used in service of actual racism if one fails to take into account all the ways a particular correlation could've ended up the way it did though. I yoinked this from wikipedia's "misuse of statistics" page but it's easily observable in several other places besides there too:
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In short I believe that any one member of any demographic is equally capable of turning out good or shitty as any other, regardless of how many others in that demographic have already turned out one way or another (and even then many things can suddenly change the content of one's character in either direction). If someone disagrees with that I'd like to know more about why and how they ended up coming to that conclusion.
 
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I develop my predjudice over race when I see repeating patterns of behavior of members of that race. While identifying someone by race is still not my first thought of a person, the longer I am near them the more they validate my perceptions.
 
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Coming to North America.

Met all sorts of people all over Europe, definitely had my preferences and biases but I was still idealistic

Then I came to North America and saw the culture and people and I knew, in my heart of hearts, that not all men are equal, and that the definition of racism seems vastly different here
 
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I ve been called racist in a work environment, didnt get fired though he he. Because its just a slur. I m not really racist because its useless to be. I just wanna spent the time of my life with people who look like me and behave like me, having the same values. Is that too much to ask for? Is that some sort of luxury? I dont wanna explain myself. Why I m doing certain things in a certain way, why I stay married, why I prefer to keep a job and dress in a certain way. Discussing all the time about history, skin colour and shit like colonialism is too tiring and drains you of all the fun in life. Why do I have to tolerate another peoples cultures? Is showing no interest in rap music or basketball discriminatory? What is racism really? Is it just talking shit about brown people? Or is it beating up brown people? If yes where is it supposed to take place? Where is the racism? So Hitler wanted to conquer the world to be the ruler of the African continent, what for? Why does an Austrian college drop out wanna be the chief in some African village? Or does he just wanna wear a banana skirt and climb trees all day long?
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