If you could change one thing with your church, what would it be?

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Politics and culture war bullshit in sermons/Bible study.

Teach the fundamentals. Teach the concepts. Teach the ideas. Then there's no need to bring current year stuff in sermons etc, because everyone with two brain cells will have figured out it's wrong, and it's only used to rile up boomers and get them to toss in a few more bucks out of anger.

Cut it out. People should be defrocked/deministered/depriested for getting into that kind of stuff.

Not the place, and it's driving people away it doesn't need to. People seek shelter from the depressing stuff going on outside, they don't want to hear a remix of the latest Glenn Beck and 700 Club greatest hits.
 
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With my Mosque specifically? I used to go to this mosque which was in this poor area and actually directly helped the poor community with food drives. We'd even have converts to Islam because of how much we'd help out, but it fell apart due to infighting.

What I'm trying to explain is, churches/mosques/synagogues/temples would focus on helping poor people and should try to open in poorer areas to help with that process. I know they do this but I'd like to see it more.
 
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Do churches actually insert that shit into their sermons these days? That's too bad, the last time I was in a church service was almost two decades ago.

Yes, if there's one person in the entire congregation who isn't sure whether or not burning local businesses or putting your son on hormones is approved of by god, then they can ask the pastor in their own time, I'm sure everyone else can work that out.

Mosques are establishments people just kind of hang around as a place of shelter and rest, churches should seek to emulate that.
It's disappointing to hear that there are churches giving in to the siren call and trying to socially/economically benefit from social division.
 
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I'd go to church if the pastor was an old woman.

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I'd change their spine out for one made of steel instead of sand.

There's a really stupid notion that church and religion in general is something people do in isolation, off in their corner, and it shouldn't leave the church and shouldn't affect the world beyond it. Namely, that the Church should not fight for its existence but trust that somehow politics and power won't be used against it if it abstains from power and politics. It's plainly retarded to believe the state will protect the Church out of goodwill alone. Faith is meant to be put in God, not the government or their laws. If the Church has no power over government, inevitably the Church becomes subservient to it, so for the Church to abandon politics is for the Church to abandon its people. Separation of Church and state is an affront to God, and particularly Americans should not think otherwise. It wasn't until the last century that the supreme court was used to reinterpret the constitution to this effect. The constitution was never meant to prevent the states or local principalities from integrating themselves with the Church. It was meant to protect the Church, specifically regional denominations, from federal government dictates, yet instead it's been used by jews with influence over the federal government to remove the Church from power wherever it had held it.
 
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Kind of minor and not sure how exactly to describe it, but I don't like the way the liturgy is chanted in my current church compared to the one I went to before I moved. Don't know if that's just the melody used in OCA/ROC or what, but I like the one from the Greek liturgy more.
 
It's minor, but I'd cut down the signing of hymns to just 1-2 or save them for the end of the sermon. Also, NO "special songs" ever again.

Thankfully, they don't require you to stand during the songs (which I always found arbitrary and inconvenient).

Every Sunday, it goes like this: they do one hymn, then another, then the pastor says: "now we'll open this sermon with a word of prayer." After the prayer and some lengthy announcements, there's one last hymn to sing. It feels like a dirty lie. I just want to hear the preaching.

For the uninitiated, a "special song" is when a fourth hymn is sung by single person at the pulpit while everyone is forced to watch. It's unbelievably cringe. None of them are good singers by any stretch of the imagination. It's one of the reasons I avoid the morning service altogether and opt for the evenings where they don't do that.

Another gripe is that they keep the building way too hot 'cause it's full of old people.

These are my complaints because the theology and preaching is excellent.
 
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Jewthulhu said:
Kind of minor and not sure how exactly to describe it, but I don't like the way the liturgy is chanted in my current church compared to the one I went to before I moved. Don't know if that's just the melody used in OCA/ROC or what, but I like the one from the Greek liturgy more.
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Yeah a return to older liturgy is nice but at the same time singing in Latin or Old Greek or whatever and not understanding anything kind of makes it boring and disengaging at best for people who have no idea what's being sung.
 
The people at my parish are pretty based, at least for normies.

I'd get rid of the lame boomer liturgical music. Piano, organ, or A Capella only. No more hymns from David Haas (a confirmed sex pest), Dan Schutte, or Marty Haugen.

Maybe not go back to Latin Mass entirely (though make it an option), I'd have the priest facing the tabernacle/away from the congregation, in the traditional "Ad Orientem" ("Church East") fashion.
 
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Yeah a return to older liturgy is nice but at the same time singing in Latin or Old Greek or whatever and not understanding anything kind of makes it boring and disengaging at best for people who have no idea what's being sung.
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Actually it was mostly in English. A few parts in Greek for the benefit for the families that still primarily speak the language, but it was only a few parts and was typically done in both languages (for example; the Lord's prayer would be chanted in English, then again in Greek). They'll also jump between Kyrie eleison and Lord have mercy in the responses, but that's easy enough to follow along with.

The Liturgy's mostly the same in both churches, there's just parts where they differ in melody and I tend to prefer the Greek over the OCA one.
 
I get taken into the back a lot where a guy in aviators pats the back of my neck and murmurs, "I'll fuck you in the ass, if you want."
I didn't say I would change that. Just sharing.
 
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