PipTheAlchemist
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Any normie under the age of like 45 is no longer a Christian
If you could change one thing with your church, what would it be?
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Vatican II and the current pope are bullshit, basically. Other than that, it's just straight catholicism.
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I'd change the episcopate. They can fix the priests and the deacons, or defrock them and find new ones.
The problem with Anglicanism in the US, Canada, and Britain is that the denomination's inherent liberalism was not understood as a corrective response to the religious strife of the 16th-19th centuries, but as a virtue in itself. Anglicanism is liberal compared to other liturgical churches. Parishes vary widely in practice from one to another, and individuals have a variety of beliefs regarding issues that traditionally resulted in schism or persecution.* But these beliefs are bound by the norms of Anglicanism, which are found in the Book of Common Prayer. There is room for disagreement within the pale of these norms, but if you wander outside the border you're no longer Anglican. You're some other Christian denomination, or not Christian at all.
When these provinces decided wandering without borders was appropriate, that "the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing" that just coincidentally looks like what the liberal elite want, that's when they became open to entryism. In countries where there is no liberal elite, we still have traditional provinces. Most Anglicans live in Africa, and don't do any of the ridiculous things Western Anglicans do. And there are many Anglican churches that are not affiliated with the national churches, because there's no rule that you have to be in communion with Michael Curry or Justin Welby.
All this comes down to the episcopate. If the bishops had done what they were supposed to do, no one would go to seminaries that teach bullshit, there'd be no same sex marriage, the church would celebrate adoptions not abortions, and any priest who tried to change the Creed (beyond the magic ink filioque) would find themselves out of a job by close of business Monday.
* Some of those issues:
The problem with Anglicanism in the US, Canada, and Britain is that the denomination's inherent liberalism was not understood as a corrective response to the religious strife of the 16th-19th centuries, but as a virtue in itself. Anglicanism is liberal compared to other liturgical churches. Parishes vary widely in practice from one to another, and individuals have a variety of beliefs regarding issues that traditionally resulted in schism or persecution.* But these beliefs are bound by the norms of Anglicanism, which are found in the Book of Common Prayer. There is room for disagreement within the pale of these norms, but if you wander outside the border you're no longer Anglican. You're some other Christian denomination, or not Christian at all.
When these provinces decided wandering without borders was appropriate, that "the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing" that just coincidentally looks like what the liberal elite want, that's when they became open to entryism. In countries where there is no liberal elite, we still have traditional provinces. Most Anglicans live in Africa, and don't do any of the ridiculous things Western Anglicans do. And there are many Anglican churches that are not affiliated with the national churches, because there's no rule that you have to be in communion with Michael Curry or Justin Welby.
All this comes down to the episcopate. If the bishops had done what they were supposed to do, no one would go to seminaries that teach bullshit, there'd be no same sex marriage, the church would celebrate adoptions not abortions, and any priest who tried to change the Creed (beyond the magic ink filioque) would find themselves out of a job by close of business Monday.
* Some of those issues:
Does bread and wine become Jesus? Is he present with bread and wine? Is he present in some other mystic fashion? Is it just a memorial? Who knows. What's important is obedience to the Lord's command, not your theological or metaphysical understanding of it.
Infant baptism, baptismal regeneration? Anglicanism generally sides with these, but if you want to wait until your kid can answer for himself or herself, you won't be drowned like a Swiss anabaptist. God is not a project manager who demands milestones must be met at certain points.
Should a church have statues, carvings, etc.? Some have many, some have few or even none. It's up to the individual church, and the individual member can decide what they mean. Without a tradition of veneration, there is no reactionary tradition of iconoclasm.
Do you need to confess specific sins to a priest? All may, some should, none must.
Infant baptism, baptismal regeneration? Anglicanism generally sides with these, but if you want to wait until your kid can answer for himself or herself, you won't be drowned like a Swiss anabaptist. God is not a project manager who demands milestones must be met at certain points.
Should a church have statues, carvings, etc.? Some have many, some have few or even none. It's up to the individual church, and the individual member can decide what they mean. Without a tradition of veneration, there is no reactionary tradition of iconoclasm.
Do you need to confess specific sins to a priest? All may, some should, none must.
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The problem with my churches is we need to bring back hymns. Every one of them subscribes to some online music service that supplies them with everything, and it's always insufferable "Christian rock" or vineyard/wimber music (don't ask if you don't know) because there's an onstage band and the band needs to do things. In the end, the music is played super loud because they can't hear themselves on stage otherwise and the congregation is mostly silent because the praise team is too busy indulging themselves.
The hymnals are gone of course, but the pews still have the shelves for them.
The hymnals are gone of course, but the pews still have the shelves for them.
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Honestly? The Church I go to is pretty great. Our pastor says some pretty powerful stuff.
Paraphrased:
“Yes, it’s sad that people died from COVID. But what I find sadder is the number of Christians bending over like trees being blown over by the wind.”
“You follow all the Bible. Not just the parts you like. ALL of it.”
Paraphrased:
“Yes, it’s sad that people died from COVID. But what I find sadder is the number of Christians bending over like trees being blown over by the wind.”
“You follow all the Bible. Not just the parts you like. ALL of it.”
I've read about Vatican II, and I understand your position: it's essentially turned Catholicism into an indistinct, formless liturgical sect (from what I understand). The Anglican Communion isn't much better (complete apostacy is tolerated in the Episcopal Church, female presbyters, ACNA not in communion with the See of Canterbury etc).
I still believe that we, as Christians, should strive for Ecumenism, but it shouldn't extend to other religions, or heretical gnostic sects.
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I want a church that's:
Mormon in its afterlife and theology, but doesn't have the Book of Mormon or all the stupid kosher crap
Pentecostal in its worship style, but doesn't say it's literally angel-talk
Uses rich iconography like Orthodox but is completely decentralized like Pentecostalism
Populated solely by Baptists
Mormon in its afterlife and theology, but doesn't have the Book of Mormon or all the stupid kosher crap
Pentecostal in its worship style, but doesn't say it's literally angel-talk
Uses rich iconography like Orthodox but is completely decentralized like Pentecostalism
Populated solely by Baptists
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This is literally the worst combination of denominational traits imaginable.
God is an 'exalted' man, and you can also become a god.
Schizophrenic schismatic con-artist liturgy where people babble in fake languages.
Idolatry
I like this, actually.
Church never existed for 1500 years (because somehow, the church was immediately corrupted as soon as the Apostles died), Sacraments do not exist, Christ did not die for all of our sins, babies are baptized at 8 years old as a reference to the Gospel.
But, there's always room for new denominations. You'd gain immediate success if you created a church like this.
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Maybe you have shit taste m8
I like Mormonism's afterlife and beliefs about the nature of God because I find is aesthetically beautiful
I like Pentecostal worship because it makes heavy use of both instrumental and vocal music to achieve a state of mystical ecstasy
I like Orthodoxy because pretty pictures yayyyyyyy
I like Baptists because they're nice but not phony and like to eat heartily at church meals
When it comes to Pentecostal tongues, that is a problem for me. I think what it essentially serves as is a form of meditation, but it's sure as shit not literal angel speech, because when I've listened to parishioners speak in tongues their tongues are always heavily flavored by the stuff in their heads. The pastor that's always going to Africa has African-sounding tongues. The snobby girl who studies French speaks French-sounding tongues. The tongues I almost spoke once were Middle Eastern when I'd been binging Sinai Desert in Battlefield 1 for a week straight. I don't believe it's impossible for real glossolalia to occur, but I don't think I've ever witnessed a real example of it. I do think it serves a spiritual function in the people who do it - might say it acts as a sort of surrender to their spiritual subconscious? - but I can't endorse it as a legitimate miracle because it defintiely isn't.
I thought you were a devout Orthodox convert, from some of your older posts. Anyhow:
- Mormon theology is completely incompatible with Scripture.
- Pentecostal worship is quite new, whereas the Liturgy originates from the Old Church itself.
- Icons, when in worship, are almost always idolatrous. They're cute, and I do think that they have a place in instruction and teaching, though. Personally, I prefer Medieval iconography that's like this. Representational iconography is far preferable
- Five Point Calvinists are incredibly kind and generous people, but Calvin just piggybacked on Luther's reformation and contributed to a great deal of heresy. EX: his views on Predetermination, Mass
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LOL, I mostly just make posts shitting on Catholics for the hell of it, if you're referring to my recent post on why Orthodoxy beats Catholicism. (I know an uber-Catholic IRL and he pisses me off.) I've drifted in and out of some churches, thought I believed in each at the time but it doesn't really stick. Wish it did.
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Fix the deacon doors on the iconostasis because the hinges are getting old, and do some maintenance on the boilers. Not much else
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One of the hardest parts of church for me is just the "normie culture". I had a good young adults group that was really cool for a while but eventually they dissolved and merged it into the "other" church's young adult group, which had a wildly different culture, a wildly different format, didn't even meet on Sundays and the people they attracted were so awful that I remember someone bemoaning that "oh, that stabbing last weekend, both of those people went to [the weekday YAG], isn't that sad" that I 100% knew that it was complete shit and to start looking for a new church in earnest just like all my old friends from the group that had also gone out to find new pastures.
Finding a woman in church is even harder. I hate to agree with something I saw on 4chan, but most women that go there are complete garbage or have high standards that are looking for Mr. Godly Christian Chad (and actually do end up finding him).
Finding a woman in church is even harder. I hate to agree with something I saw on 4chan, but most women that go there are complete garbage or have high standards that are looking for Mr. Godly Christian Chad (and actually do end up finding him).