If you had a choice, what would you prefer, science or magic?

ArnoldPalmer said:
Consider that Lord of the Rings takes place in the hollow earth. Sometimes a fantasy setting will go against the grain of what's possible in reality.
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Well yeah, that's kind of the point of a fantasy setting.

That said though, the question was "why does magic preclude the existence of science?" If someone wanted to, they could probably still fly a kite in a thunderstorm and make a battery somehow, I would imagine.

.... also, Lord of the Rings takes place in the hollow earth? Which book established that?
 
skykiii said:
.... also, Lord of the Rings takes place in the hollow earth? Which book established that?
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My mistake, it's the Flat Earth. The Simarillion is the book that touches on this.
 
Magic would be awesome until it wouldn't. Take what people do today in terms of hoarding money, power, knowledge, etc and then amplify it by 10x.

At first Magic would introduce an element of liberty and chaos. But as it went on it would be a world of initiated and uniniated and oh boy would the boot be hard on the neck of the uninitiated.
 
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Science. Whilst you are messing about with fireballs and ice shards, I can just put an IED in your faggy shoe house.
 
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Science and Magic are essentially the same thing within the Human conception. There is great commentary from Seraphim Rose about how science fiction features occult qualities like instant communication and flying that are basically like magic powers. Even the fact we call it science and not something like technology or engineering despite those names being more accurate for what we mean hints at this. Science is a just a process of empirical research that can identify consistencies into laws. Actual stuff that is built requires engineering.

That being said I don't think Modern science is demonic like the weird magic shit that seems like it might exist.
 
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Napoleon III said:
That being said I don't think Modern science is demonic like the weird magic shit that seems like it might exist.
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I've always wondered at this idea that magic is "demonic."

Actually, true story, I had two friends who both told me that the only way people can do magic is by having a demon grant them power.

I asked "how do you know?"

Their answer, "Oh I talked to demons and they told me so."

..... Like, am I the only person who sees the problem with that?

Let me re-word it slightly.

"Only this special shampoo can get all the germs out of my hair!"

"How do you know?"

"Oh, a rep from the manufacturer told me so."
 
skykiii said:
I've always wondered at this idea that magic is "demonic."

Actually, true story, I had two friends who both told me that the only way people can do magic is by having a demon grant them power.

I asked "how do you know?"

Their answer, "Oh I talked to demons and they told me so."

..... Like, am I the only person who sees the problem with that?

Let me re-word it slightly.

"Only this special shampoo can get all the germs out of my hair!"

"How do you know?"

"Oh, a rep from the manufacturer told me so."
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The way such contracts typically work is like this: you don't need demons or fae to help you but the other representatives are very selective. God, His angels and His saints will help you but they'll be checking that credit score and it has some things on there which haven't even happened yet. Getting a hex from some fallen angel is way more straightforward though. It's like varying degrees of getting a Swiss bank account and talking to the loan shark.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
The way such contracts typically work is like this: you don't need demons or fae to help you but the other representatives are very selective. God, His angels and His saints will help you but they'll be checking that credit score and it has some things on there which haven't even happened yet. Getting a hex from some fallen angel is way more straightforward though. It's like varying degrees of getting a Swiss bank account and talking to the loan shark.
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The thing is though, all this "you need higher powers helping you" stuff... presumably comes from the higher powers themselves.

Which was what I was getting at with my previous reply. Of course the person offering to fix your plumbing for you is gonna make it sound like something only he can do.

.......

That said though, this does remind me of a weird dream I had once..... which I might post elsewhere, but the gist is I had a dream where I met Satan (who did not look like any stereotypical representation--he kinda looked like a tree with a big round top--but I somehow knew it was him) and I got cocky and said "let me guess, you're gonna offer me something in exchange for my soul, right?"

And what always confused me was Satan's answer:

He said "Actually, for your purposes, you'd be better off with God."

I woke up confused by that, and not sure what to make of it.
 
skykiii said:
The thing is though, all this "you need higher powers helping you" stuff... presumably comes from the higher powers themselves.

Which was what I was getting at with my previous reply. Of course the person offering to fix your plumbing for you is gonna make it sound like something only he can do.

.......

That said though, this does remind me of a weird dream I had once..... which I might post elsewhere, but the gist is I had a dream where I met Satan (who did not look like any stereotypical representation--he kinda looked like a tree with a big round top--but I somehow knew it was him) and I got cocky and said "let me guess, you're gonna offer me something in exchange for my soul, right?"

And what always confused me was Satan's answer:

He said "Actually, for your purposes, you'd be better off with God."

I woke up confused by that, and not sure what to make of it.
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The whole theology of how Satan and God actually work in regards to each other is a has more layers than people think. Satan is still a vassal of His after all. In either case, I suggest a trustworthy priest, especially if Satan doesn't want to touch you.
 
skykiii said:
I've always wondered at this idea that magic is "demonic."

Actually, true story, I had two friends who both told me that the only way people can do magic is by having a demon grant them power.

I asked "how do you know?"

Their answer, "Oh I talked to demons and they told me so."

..... Like, am I the only person who sees the problem with that?

Let me re-word it slightly.

"Only this special shampoo can get all the germs out of my hair!"

"How do you know?"

"Oh, a rep from the manufacturer told me so."
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I try to ignore details around that stuff and if I were you I would try and ignore said details.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
The whole theology of how Satan and God actually work in regards to each other is a has more layers than people think. Satan is still a vassal of His after all. In either case, I suggest a trustworthy priest, especially if Satan doesn't want to touch you.
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Thing is I'm just not sure how to take it.

Like, no matter how you slice it... nobody expects to be approached by a being who immediately recommends their arch-enemy. Skeletor doesn't go recommending people see He-Man, does he?

It seems straightforward enough--for once he found someone he could not do anything for and so just said "yeah, God's the only person who can do what you want"--but this is a figure who is often called the Prince of Lies. If anyone is pulling some galaxy-brained 4D chess moves, its him. And I've never been good at Chess, 4D or not, so I know I'm probably missing something.
 
skykiii said:
Thing is I'm just not sure how to take it.

Like, no matter how you slice it... nobody expects to be approached by a being who immediately recommends their arch-enemy. Skeletor doesn't go recommending people see He-Man, does he?

It seems straightforward enough--for once he found someone he could not do anything for and so just said "yeah, God's the only person who can do what you want"--but this is a figure who is often called the Prince of Lies. If anyone is pulling some galaxy-brained 4D chess moves, its him. And I've never been good at Chess, 4D or not, so I know I'm probably missing something.
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Satan is the prince of lies but he's still one of God's vassals and arguably plays a key role by providing temptations to sin. In fact, he largely does this by placing bets with God and going on debates. He likely scoped you out as a study or a betting forum and realized you weren't really worth it.
 
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skykiii said:
Skeletor doesn't go recommending people see He-Man, does he?
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He-man Can't do magic, he just has a magic sword. If you want a magic guy you go to fucking orko or some shit, even if he's notoriously kind of a shitty mage. Skeletor is the kind of guy that if you asked him to help you he'd be like "I DON"T HELP PEOPLE! I'M EVIL!" Because he's one of those characters who just really really wants to be the cool evil guy that takes over the world.
Seriously what else are you gonna do being a wizard with a melted off face? be some benevolent ass kisser? NO!
Skeletor and satan are also not even remotely comparable but that's another story.

I think I might have already said this, but an ideal world in the magic/science thing is a world where both magic and science are real like in He-Man/Masters of the Universe. I could make a huge textwall about how technology and human comforts could advance much further that way, but I'll just send this quick half assed comic i drew of a badly drawn asshole about to get ice-picked by a wizard.
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I was too lazy to draw even a sloppy wizard so I resorted to stock images.
EDIT: shit I did say this already and it was on page 2, fuck why the hell couldn't I remember?
 
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That's because they aren't Lucky Charms.

I would prefer science. I have been watching a lot of videos about UFO's and alien abductions lately and some of them stuff they can do would be considered magic by people. No one would have a real understanding of it. If we had capabilities like that, we could blur the line between magic and science.
 
Physics seem incredibly limiting. Seems this world may never advance much beyond where it is now, aside from advancements in electronics, genetics, and maybe nanotechnology. Looks like space travel will always be ridiculously hard, there won't be faster-than-light or backwards time travel. Seems the most advanced energy sources are limited to stuff like burning fuel, nuclear fission, so-called "green energy", and potentially risky batteries. And tech over-saturation doesn't look naturally healthy.

On the other hand, it seems that "magic" is believed in by mentally ill freaks such as "Chris Chan" and "Sockness". Of course, there's smart and sane people who believe in the existence of the supernatural, also including a number of influential scientists.
 
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Hey you know what would really suck and also demonstrates the purpose of a republic?

If people could just alter reality to impose conditions that benefit themselves.
 
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