Illusory Polarization - You're not as centrist as you think you are; other people are not as radical as you think they are.

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Illusory polarization is basically the hypothesis that most people:
  • Consider themselves fairly "neutral." They lean one direction or the other.
  • Consider their "allies" to be significantly more radical than themselves.
  • Consider their "opponents" to be even more radical than that.
This is basically all you need to know to form your own conclusions on the matter. The rest of this post is pretty much self-indulgent sperging about why it exists and some of my own thoughts. I split it into brief sections so you can read the shit you're interested in and skip the bits you're not or are already well acquainted with.

Communication Fault:
Probably the most obvious reason this happens is simply that we suck at communicating. We all have significantly more nuanced views about pretty much any subject we give a shit about than we are capable of expressing. It's also in our nature to pick out only the bits of a statement we deem "relevant" when listening and it's easy for a lot of nuance to be glossed over in the process. So only a fraction of the intent makes it into the broadcast and only a fraction of the broadcast is received.

Naive Realism:
People aren't very good at evaluating their own perceptions. There's the implicit assumption that we see things "the way they are" and, if someone sees something else, it's the other guy who's wrong. And this often gets projected outwards. We assume that a rational and unbiased observer is going to think, mostly, the same way we do and so any deviation is a result of irrationality or bias. Note that the people who are the least cognizant of their own biases tend to be the most heavily influenced by them (no shit).

The Personal Overton Window:
Just as a society at large has a collective sense of what views are "allowed" to be entertained, there is a similar window of views we consider worthy of entertainment. Mostly an extension of the naive realism described above: this is the range of views rational and "less-biased" people hold. Of course, we place ourselves more-or-less in the middle of it. Our exaggerated impression of what "our guys" tend to think typically occupies the fringe of this window and so "the other guys" end up falling outside of it because their "distance" on the scale is larger than the guys you already tentatively agree with. Your allies might be a little misguided or lacking in nuance. But your opposition just looks silly.

Charitability (Too Much or Not Enough?):
Part of arguing in good faith means assuming the person you're arguing with is being intellectually honest and they aren't morons. Unless proven otherwise, it's basic charitability to treat your opposition as if he honestly believes what he says and not to patronize him as if you're talking to a 5 year old. Betray this trust and communication breaks down. One example that I (perhaps due to my own biases) am particularly cognizant of where "too much charitability" meets "not enough" is the famous NAXALT argument.
Throughout this post I have been making a lot of generalizations. I do so under the assumption that you're smart enough to know I'm generalizing and evaluate my statements with that in mind. So when someone responds with "not all [x] are like that," it indicates you're not being charitable to me (you think I'm too stupid to hold that basic level of nuance myself) or I shouldn't be charitable to you (you're so stupid that you need that basic level of nuance spelled out to you). Perhaps it's me that was being too charitable in the first place.
How this relates to illusory polarization is that we are often selectively charitable to views depending on how much we initially agree with them. If a statement falls outside of our "personal Overton window" then we're more likely to stop listening there and assume the most radical interpretation of it than we are to appreciate the nuance the people who hold the view actually express.

The Hostile Media Effect:
This is more a result of illusory polarization and related effects than it is a cause of them. No matter someone's political persuasions, they will typically come to the conclusion that the media, at large, is against them. I'm not going to sit here and say the media isn't generally biased towards a certain party (it absolutely is). But experimentation has borne out that people of opposite political persuasions can view the same piece of media and conclude it is biased against them. This leads to a positive feedback loop of confirmation bias:
"The media is biased against me. A lot of 'truly moderate' views are perceived as radically adversarial. This is more evidence the media is biased against me. More 'truly moderate' views are interpreted as radical."

There's more I could say about this, because there always is, but I've already rambled much too long about shit you all probably are already well aware of and I probably forgot a lot of shit I wanted to say in the process of writing. So I'm gonna cut it off here.
 
Interesting perception involving biased discussion, good job.
Communication Fault:
Probably the most obvious reason this happens is simply that we suck at communicating. We all have significantly more nuanced views about pretty much any subject we give a shit about than we are capable of expressing. It's also in our nature to pick out only the bits of a statement we deem "relevant" when listening and it's easy for a lot of nuance to be glossed over in the process. So only a fraction of the intent makes it into the broadcast and only a fraction of the broadcast is received.
The TLDR for this statement is people talk to be heard, not listened. Argumentative bias is picking out what we WANT to hear without context to dismantle their argument. It's a common way to argue.

Part of arguing in good faith means assuming the person you're arguing with is being intellectually honest and they aren't morons.
I think what people get confused about arguing in good faith is that you'd have to agree with the person's viewpoint to progress in the argument. The key to argument is to listen and confirm your position and explain how the other person is wrong.
 
"fictional assumption of historical unity."
Forgive my retardery. Is this the notion that "things are more polarized than ever before" thus implying historically people were mostly unified?
I think I can see the correlation you're drawing here. But to draw a slightly different picture more relevant to the ideas I'm conveying:
A lot of this narrative crafting that leads people to falsely assume people weren't bitterly divided is, of course, due to the fact that The Good Guys ™️ got to write the history books. And due to the naive realism mentioned above, they'll end up portraying The Good Guys ™️ as the rational thinkers and their opposition were all "brainwashed" by malevolent agents.
Illusory polarization, though, certainly took place all throughout history, maybe even more than today given how broad our access to information is nowadays.
An example that happens to come to mind is the conflict between the Chalcedonian and the Miaphysite schools of Christianity. Without going into great detail about Byzantine theological disputes, both parties each accused the other of holding views that had been condemned in previous councils. People died over this shit. The Sassanids and Arabs were able to capitalize on this division and ransack Egypt with no small help from the resulting schism.
The modern view regarding the two doctrines? Most consider them "not meaningfully different" (though the truth of that is debatable). All this hatred and division due to neither side fully understanding what the other side was saying. The Oriental Orthodox Churches are still Miaphysite to this day. Catholics, Orthodox, and most Protestants are Chalcedonian.
 
people talk to be heard, not listened.
Most people just repeat what others told them.
Forgive my retardery. Is this the notion that "things are more polarized than ever before" thus implying historically people were mostly unified?
Yes.
In the 80's I was told that even dirty commies had a right to their beliefs, In the 90's it was Blacks having a right to their own constructed false history(Kangz n sheet), in the 2000's it was durka durka Muhammad Jihads being mostly peaceful, and in the 10's it was "love is love" and "everyone has a right to marriage." The entire time, the "left" slavered over European political systems having several parties form coalition governments.

The concept of "polarization" is simultaneously a fiction, and perhaps the best propaganda term of this century, as it forecloses the existence of all but the "left" and "right" as defined by intellectuals. If you leave politics out of it, all you have left is the standard human fear of "the other" where the individual is "safe", their friends are "safeish", and the "others" are dangerous.

Very few humans are self-aware enough to analyze social groups on a scale of actual behavior, they just use the hardwired 'known=safe' versus 'unknown=danger', and listen to 'known safe' warning about 'unknown danger'.
TL ; DR : You may just be reinventing terms for innate human xenophobia.
 
Consider themselves fairly "neutral." They lean one direction or the other.
I consider myself very radical and the average person to be centrist to the point of apathy, blindly following what genuine ideologues within the Overton window say and do. How do I make this polarization real for my own ideological benefit?
 
The concept of "polarization" is simultaneously a fiction, and perhaps the best propaganda term of this century, as it forecloses the existence of all but the "left" and "right" as defined by intellectuals.
It doesn't have to be about left vs right (though it's worth noting that even countries that do have multiple party coalitions still ostensibly have a "left" and "right."). We could apply this to individual issues as well.
Pro life or pro choice?
Immigraton?
Law enforcement?
Most people have fairly nuanced views regarding whatever their pet issue is. But communicating that nuance is hard so people end up only expressing/arguing about the most oversimplified and radical variants of their position.

You may just be reinventing terms for innate human xenophobia.
These terms are hardly my own invention. But of course you can just swap [faggot academic] for me in that sentence.
Naive Realism
Hostile Media Effect
I swear I'm being gaslighted on "Illusory Polarization." Could have sworn I've seen a wiki article about it some years ago, complete with graphs and shit, but I can't find any information on it now.
The whole premise of this thread is not my idea, I promise.
 
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Most people have fairly nuanced views regarding whatever their pet issue is
Absolutely incorrect. The overwhelming majority of the populace has neither the brainpower, nor the ability to examine issues in depth on their own, they parrot what their 'known safe" group thinks.
The whole premise of this thread is not my idea, I promise.
I now have an even lower opinion of the premise, based on it being vomit from the social sciences.

Imagine thinking that the majority, with an IQ between zero and one hundred, have nuanced views of deeply complex issues. Hell, just look at the "nuanced views" of academics, if you can tolerate the migraine from the bullshit they spew.
 
The overwhelming majority of the populace has neither the brainpower, nor the ability to examine issues in depth on their own
Hard disagree. But you did jog my memory on another point I wanted to get into in the OP:
Illusory superiority:
Most people, on most metrics, consider themselves to be "not excellent, but certainly better than average." If you ask a random sample of people to rate themselves, 1 to 10, on aspects ranging from intelligence to morality to attractiveness: the most common answer you're going to receive is 7. This is a big part of why naive realism is a thing. It also feeds heavily into the impression that most everyone else only thinks in slogans and platitudes. Think, for a moment, about the kind of fuckwit who says things like "I looked at it from both sides!" as if that makes them uniquely knowledgeable on the matter. Think about why it is that shit like that is so irritating to hear.
There might be something to say about the average person's ability to engage in "legitimate" introspection. But for issues that they actually care about: they will engage in at least rudimentary research regarding the topic. They know more than they're capable of expressing. The slogans are a battle cry and not a complete representation of their views.

Imagine thinking that the majority, with an IQ between zero and one hundred, have nuanced views of deeply complex issues
Well for starters, the majority has an IQ between 85 and 115. Even someone with an IQ around 85 is capable of understanding something as simple as "I think [x] is all well and good. But [x+10] is going too far!" The lower the IQ, the more "deep and insightful" that basic logic appears to them.

just look at the "nuanced views" of academics, if you can tolerate the migraine from the bullshit they spew.
Even if you think they're wrong, critically so: I guarantee their position on whatever issue you're thinking about in writing this is a lot more nuanced than you understand or are giving them credit for.
 
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