I’m Swedish – it’s true that we don’t serve food to guests. What’s the problem? - As a child, I didn’t really care, I just continued playing while the host family ate dinner

I was laughing when I checked Twitter and saw that #Swedengate was trending. All this fuss because of the revelation that Swedish people don’t – as a rule – serve food to guests (particularly to other children who are playing at their houses). It’s true, but what’s more confusing to me is why that’s even a problem.

As a child growing up in Gothenburg, I remember not really caring at all that I wasn’t being fed – I just continued playing and had a nice, quiet time while the other family had their dinner. It was usually just a quick “pause”; probably because they didn’t want to mess up my family’s plans.

The Swedish thinking goes like this: the other child (or the other family) may have plans for another kind of dinner, and you wouldn’t want to ruin the routine or preparations. I don’t think it is anything to do with not wanting to feed the other child or because it costs money or anything like that, it’s more to do with tradition and wanting to eat with your own family.

It would be different if you were actually invited over as a proper “playdate”, like people do more commonly here in the UK, but that wasn’t usually the case. We didn’t really have the same kind of formally arranged invitations. I think in many ways, Sweden is more of a free society than the UK. Children are allowed to run around more freely there, so they would usually just knock on the door and ask if they can come in and play – and obviously, you don’t “plan” how many children would be at your house in that instance. It would be a complete surprise. The parents wouldn’t be included usually, they wouldn’t come over to your house or expect to be catered for.

If you do have a planned playdate, of course, it’s different. Or, if the children are really young, then it’s a different story and you’d have a plan for people (their parents) to come over and eat. That would work the same way as it does in Britain.

Times have changed, too – today, it’s a different story. In Sweden now, if you have one child who comes over, they would likely get food as well. It’s not so much the way it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago, when I was growing up. But even then, it really wasn’t the “big deal” people on Twitter are making it sound like it was. Everyone did it. You just continued playing with dolls (or whatever it was) while your friend ate with their mum and dad.

I’ve been in the UK for 16 years – I am a mother and have seen the differences compared to how it was when I was growing up. I feed any kids that come over to play with my son and had almost completely forgotten about the tradition in my home country – until it popped up on Twitter.

Then I suddenly remembered what it was like: that when I was a child, kids at a much younger age ran around over to other people’s houses, knocked on the door and were then welcomed in to play. But you had a set dinner time with your own family, so you just left the house you were at and ran home to get your own food.

I spoke to my cousin who still lives in Gothenburg to see what it’s like for parents now – she has two kids aged eight and 12 and said it’s not like that at all, any more. Most of the time, everyone sits down and eats together. So maybe there’s been a big social shift. But the only people who find this strange seem to be those who aren’t from Sweden.



 
This and the ethics behind returning shopping carts have been a minor culture scuffle for a few weeks. Honestly a healthy distraction for normies from Pride Week and Ukraine, which is probably the point, as far as human interest stories go.
 
Times have changed, too – today, it’s a different story. In Sweden now, if you have one child who comes over, they would likely get food as well. It’s not so much the way it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago, when I was growing up. But even then, it really wasn’t the “big deal” people on Twitter are making it sound like it was. Everyone did it. You just continued playing with dolls (or whatever it was) while your friend ate with their mum and dad.

So it's been different for decades anyway. But Twitter is so bored that they brought up outdated cultural practices? Twitter's pasty, vitamin D starved ass needs to touch grass.
 
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This might be the result of scandinavians being fundamentally conflict averse. I'm not a swede, but close enough, and my parents would regularly drive my friends home before dinner time, probably because the few times they did stay for dinner it became obvious whenever the dinner rules differed between what I was used to and what my friend was used to. One friend was always loud, and the dinner table was no exception. He would talk even with his mouth full, and I could sense my dad's discomfort. After we had driven him home later that night my dad looks at me and says "Soooo... your school buddy, he sure likes the sound of his own voice"
 
The Swedish thinking goes like this: the other child (or the other family) may have plans for another kind of dinner, and you wouldn’t want to ruin the routine or preparations. I don’t think it is anything to do with not wanting to feed the other child or because it costs money or anything like that, it’s more to do with tradition and wanting to eat with your own family.

It's kinda funny. I grew up in an area with a lot of Swedish diaspora people... Norwegian too... And folks where I grew up were radically different. They took it as a point of pride to feed guests. Even if they didn't have much to go around, by God, you were welcome at their table. Hell, even if it wasn't meal time, they might try to feed you... "I just made cookies yesterday, would you like some? How about a slice of cake?"

Times have changed, too – today, it’s a different story. In Sweden now, if you have one child who comes over, they would likely get food as well. It’s not so much the way it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago, when I was growing up.

I spoke to my cousin who still lives in Gothenburg to see what it’s like for parents now – she has two kids aged eight and 12 and said it’s not like that at all, any more. Most of the time, everyone sits down and eats together. So maybe there’s been a big social shift. But the only people who find this strange seem to be those who aren’t from Sweden.

Oh. Oh. So none of this is actually relevant now? You were implying this was all present-tense. Turns out it isn't.
 
I had my doubts about that map, it didn't really specify much. Suomi was marked as "unlikely to give food", but from my experience as a child whenever my mom visited her friends, even if it was just for coffee there was always pulla or something. I don't know, I haven't been there in well over a decade. Of course, maybe it really is that bad in Sweden, that sounds so fucking weird. It's one thing to go to somebody's place and not be offered food, but going there and they literally eat a meal while you are there and do not offer?
I thought Finns were supposed to be the socially autistic ones, but I'd say Sweden definitely has them beat here.
 
This might be the result of scandinavians being fundamentally conflict averse. I'm not a swede, but close enough, and my parents would regularly drive my friends home before dinner time, probably because the few times they did stay for dinner it became obvious whenever the dinner rules differed between what I was used to and what my friend was used to. One friend was always loud, and the dinner table was no exception. He would talk even with his mouth full, and I could sense my dad's discomfort. After we had driven him home later that night my dad looks at me and says "Soooo... your school buddy, he sure likes the sound of his own voice"
I can imagine some kind of ancestral trauma where their fore-bearers were either attacked or mocked by foreigners because they offered to share their lutefisk or surstromming. I would think someone was trying to get one over on me if they served that. I would think they are insane if I saw them eating it.
 
yeah that just feel weird to me. Like nah man, if you invite over a friend or a kid's friend. You feed that person. Even poor as dirt peoplelike my family and my friend's family were when we were kids followed that rule. Anyway feeding a child is easy, fucking things will eat literally anything. Just get some macncheese and cut up hotdog if you feel fancy and those kids will be in culinary heaven.

Anyway judging by the article, kids coming n going into home seems to be a thing but its not difficult to say "Hey timmy, you eating at your folks or do you want a plate?" like how hard is that.
A finn. When I was growing up, you either asked kids to leave or you asked them to join in. It was considered to be rude to eat and exclude someone but if you for whatever reason couldn't or didn't want to accomodate them it was absolutely fine to send them way not to feed them. They were absolutely wellcome back after eating, just had to be away during the meal time. I think this was less offering food is inconvenient as much as having peaceful meal without kids having extra distractions.

Overall different cultures, different rules. It's not hard until it's wierd. If everyone is used that food is just for family, then there is no need questions like that. They aren't expecting food and you aren't expecting to want any. Everyone has arrenged their life around this fact. Asking if they want some puts people in awkward situation because there is no social script for it. They aren't sure what's expected of them, is it rude to say no or yes? They don't know if parents are okey with it because this isn't a normal situation. Nowadays you could just call or text but before that it was bigger deal. Parents might be okey or be frustrated because thry made food you but you don't eat because you ate somewhere else.
 
I've seen other swedes telling me that it's not true so I'm not willing to belive this one or whatever rando says. I guess it depends on the lifestyle/family?
Any kiwi swedes tell us what's the truth?
Lived there for several years and have family there so over quite a bit. Genuinely never seen this. If a kid is over you ask if they want to eat and maybe text the parents just to say ‘Arvid is staying for tea.’
I am a Brit though so maybe my experience isn’t typical but I’d never sit and eat in front of guests with them whether that’s a kid who popped round or adults. If there’s a whole horde of them playing out in the street or park maybe you’d say x come in, you can rejoin them later.
Media has. Weird love/hate thing happening with Sweden, for sure
ETA, it’s not been that long since we moved, I’m not talking about twenty years ago.
In Scotland, ‘you’ll have had your dinner then’ Means ‘bugger off now please.’ Maybe it’s a northern thing.
 
Burger in Burgerland here. I often didn't eat dinner at other people's houses because I felt uncomfortable in another person's house. Was also a really picky eater as a kid. I'd be offered food, of course. Everyone just accepted that Little Abe was a weirdo that wanted to pet dogs and play.
 
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I think this was all made up based on a few peoples individual experiences that had nothing to do with the culture at whole. I have been at a couple of Swede houses and they all offered food and drink.
Yea, this wasn't about guests, just kids randomly hanging out after school. The real culture clash here was that kids were expected to be home for dinner, so the host family didn't really make extra arrangements unless it was like a sleepover or something.
 
I‘m an American and I can remember a couple times going over to a friend’s house (especially if they were also babysitting me) whose family ate early, like 4:30 or 5, whereas my family usually ate at 6 or 6:30. So they’d eat their dinner, and I’d just hang out, so I could play some more before I got picked up.

But otherwise, that seems crazy to me. It was also super-awkward for everyone involved.
 
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I've seen other swedes telling me that it's not true so I'm not willing to belive this one or whatever rando says. I guess it depends on the lifestyle/family?
Any kiwi swedes tell us what's the truth?
I've come across one Swede on twitter that said it was true and was incredibly offended anyone would think it was weird for a kid to be left to go hungry. Not sure where he lives, but seems like this is done at least somewhere in Sweden.

Main explanation I've seen for when this was done was that some Swedish families would be anal about grocery buying and only getting enough for the family's meal, so if you had a guest over it'd throw things out of whack with the portions. Sounds really autistic and thus believable.
 
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I would like to know what kind of parent doesn't know where their kids are by dinner time and conversely, what kind of parents just eat dinner while some random kid is in their house?

If I wasn't home by dinner, my mum was pretty much sending out a search party. Then again, Swedes are just lizards wearing human suits, so...
 
I think this was all made up based on a few peoples individual experiences that had nothing to do with the culture at whole. I have been at a couple of Swede houses and they all offered food and drink.
In my experience this could be seen mostly in middle class and single mom households. They planned and cooked pretty exact amounts of food and had dinner at very specific times.

In working class families with parents that came from large households it wasn't a problem, they were making a bucket of beef stew or 100 cinnamon buns either way. Growing up I had friends that would say "now I have to go home and eat another dinner" because their parents actually got a little bit pissy if they ate elsewhere.
 
I'm almost 80% certain this proposed "culture" of Scandinavians having people watch them eat is just Arabs, shitty Americans and other colonialists sperging about shit that doesn't exist (or barely does, as an anomaly) to make Europeans feel bad for existing. I've had good Scandinavian friends for years, and I've never even offhandedly seen or heard of this. Never heard of it being a trend anywhere else in Europe either (I have way too many European friends), not even in more socially distant countries like Germany. Sweden is just the easiest target out of the Scandinavian bunch, thanks to the ghoulish government deciding tons of foreigners wouldn't have repercussions: Lefties and invaders hate them for being "too white" (aka ethnic Swedes continuing to exist, having families and a culture and language that's theirs), and right wingers hate them for Swedes being naive about the influx of "refugees" until they weren't.

Shit, I'm a burger and as a kid if my neighbors across the street didn't have enough to feed me (which was rare), they'd just politely send me home when they were going to eat dinner. Now that I'm older, I just tell them in advance if I'm gonna be staying for dinner. Who the fuck sits and has people watch them eat?
 
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