In the context of a romantic relationship, does respecting a woman mean the same thing as respecting a man?

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This may be a weird thought that went through my head. I've seen two relationships crash because the woman ceased to respect their man, and coincidently also two where the man did not respect their woman. However when I thought about what respecting their partner meant, it looked like a very different thing. It got me thinking that though it both uses the word respect, it does not actually mean the same thing.

So I'm just curious to hear from some others, especially personal experiences and people around you, and not so much internet people or mind theories.

For example, in one case a guy after he lost his job and became miserable made his girlfriend completely lose respect for him. Now he wasn't a complete lazy bum as you sometimes hear. He ended up doing a significant part of the chores and would do basically anything she asked, from how they both told it anyways, as well as some things she didn't ask, like fix stuff around the house that could be improved. They also didn't really lose their friendship. But she did talk about how she lost attraction to him. They tried to work on it, but to some degree him acquiescing to that seemed to make her lose respect for him as well, and I can kinda see it. He had become like a puppy in some ways, lovable, but very much a softie. After about a year of that they ended up splitting up over it. She ceased to respect him, feel that danger and attraction like before when he was a locally successful metal artist.

I also know a woman that divorced her husband in a pretty mean way; she lined up a house to move to, had told two of their three growing up children about her plans about 6 months in advance, and after she had spent a year doing almost nothing but spending the inheritance from her dad, moved out in a complete surprise move to him. Now that's how I first heard the story from his side. Of course there was griefing and depression involved. But having been over frequently I also knew the other side of the story: he was treating her impossibly. He wasn't listening to the things she cared about. They were on opposite ends of Covid, with her disagreeing with the whole mainstream narrative and him agreeing to it. Two of their three children were vaccinated, but as a surprise to her when she came home. Their marriage was in complete shambles with him just doing stuff and never discussing it, never resolving disputes together. I think more than anything what wrecked their marriage was him not looking out for her best interest as well. How she ended things was pretty shitty, but considering how I imagine he would have blown up (verbally) and her generally being a very go-along kind of person, I kinda understood why to a small degree. I guess you could call it not respecting her, but it's not really the same thing is it?

I wonder what other people think about this and curious to hear your thoughts. Is respecting a male partner the same thing as respecting a female partner?
 
The application of fundamentals of maintaining a successful marriage are gender neutral. It is also a two way street -- love is a choice and requires hard work, so if someone is simply 'losing' attraction, it means their relationship was never really in a mature phase to begin with. Passion fluctuates wildly, real love should not.
 
Women do not respect men nor have they ever. Feigning submission is not respect. Women do not respect anything, respect is a male concept. Just as women have no concept of morality or justice either. Refer to Schopenhauer.

Most men don't want to understand just how different women are in their brains. Just because they sit there agreeing with you repeating everything you say back to you and parroting your values once they have established them does not mean that is what they believe. They believe in echoing whoever or whatever group will deliver them the greatest personal benefits says (ie, you, their family, christianity, liberal politics even islamic theocracy if in the ME).

That does not mean that is what they believe. They believe in their own stream of benefits and having an extreme preponderance of choices, at your expense. Understand that and you can account for 100% of female behavior without being blindsided like a loser that writes screeds on reddit about how your particular wife or girflfreind was specifically tainted and "changed" on you. They never change at all the only women do is invite you to change your own perceptions. Average men, loser or not takes their bait.

The application of fundamentals of maintaining a successful marriage are gender neutral. It is also a two way street -- love is a choice and requires hard work, so if someone is simply 'losing' attraction, it means their relationship was never really in a mature phase to begin with. Passion fluctuates wildly, real love should not.

Laws are written gender netural too yet somehow family court somehow rules against men 90% of the time at a minimum. Its almost like neutrality and equality are again male fantasy concepts that vaporize the minute a vagina becomes present.
 
From observing the successful relationships of those around me, it appears to me that the difference between respecting a male partner and a female partner (in heterosexual relationships) is how each sex has to learn to respect the innate differences between oneself and their opposite. Which I guess is sort of a roundabout answer rather than a direct difference.

Women who recognize that most men are intensely practical are aware that complaining to them while being unwilling to hear or attempt a solution will be frustrating for the man. So they find ways to clarify their intentions or work with their significant other to find a resolution. On the other hand, men who recognize that women often overthink things due to the nature of being highly intuitive creatures, are able to discuss things with their significant other while giving the woman space to consider all possible options/possibilities/positions, even those that the man might find irrelevant and unworthy of further thought.

I know that there are plenty other and more specific examples of the type of action I name here but I wanted to share this particular example because I think it serves as a good foundation and starting point for healthy opposite sex interpersonal interactions.

TL: DR; Men and Women need to learn (and appreciate or accept) the innate differences between themselves in order to learn how best to respect each other.
 
The application of fundamentals of maintaining a successful marriage are gender neutral. It is also a two way street -- love is a choice and requires hard work, so if someone is simply 'losing' attraction, it means their relationship was never really in a mature phase to begin with. Passion fluctuates wildly, real love should not.
Your correct, but using the wrong vocabulary. Love is an emotion like any other and just like any emotion it can ebb and flow as time passes. A good relationship/marriage requires consistent Loyalty and respect of that love as it wanes and grows.

The loyalty to persevere when love is waning and the respect to not take advantage of love when its in growing. The expectations of what loyalty and respect change with men and women, but the general behaviors and outcomes remain the same.
 
From observing the successful relationships of those around me, it appears to me that the difference between respecting a male partner and a female partner (in heterosexual relationships) is how each sex has to learn to respect the innate differences between oneself and their opposite. Which I guess is sort of a roundabout answer rather than a direct difference.

Women who recognize that most men are intensely practical are aware that complaining to them while being unwilling to hear or attempt a solution will be frustrating for the man. So they find ways to clarify their intentions or work with their significant other to find a resolution. On the other hand, men who recognize that women often overthink things due to the nature of being highly intuitive creatures, are able to discuss things with their significant other while giving the woman space to consider all possible options/possibilities/positions, even those that the man might find irrelevant and unworthy of further thought.

I know that there are plenty other and more specific examples of the type of action I name here but I wanted to share this particular example because I think it serves as a good foundation and starting point for healthy opposite sex interpersonal interactions.

TL: DR; Men and Women need to learn (and appreciate or accept) the innate differences between themselves in order to learn how best to respect each other.

I'm responding to your post but this is aimed at everyone who's posted in the thread so far, and who's planning to post in it.

Some people seem to use the word "respect" as a synonym for "treat well". But that's not really the definition of respect that I'm trying to discuss here. You can treat your kid or your pet well, but it wouldn't be respecting them. You might respect the privacy of a teen child, but that still isn't the same as respecting the teen themselves. Respect is something that is earned, not given wily nily. Something that typically has some kind of reverence or looking up to a person and/or their skills and/or their authority. Though fundamentally it's kind of looking up to someone, which is why in healthy relationships it typically seems to be something that goes from the woman to the man.

In the example @Winsome Whimsical Waif gives up here specifically, the example seems to talk about respect as a synonym for "understand and treat well accordingly". And who would ever argue against that but some kind of reprobate? But that isn't really respect, is it?

I hope I'm not overthinking things or just trying to have the data fit my current perspective. Just trying to figure this shit out a little better.
 
Respect isn't a solid, monolithic concept in and of itself. What it means is entirely dependent on context. For me, I think of it as deferring. You may do so because of hierarchy. Or you may do so because of consideration of the other person (the reason you'd do so in a relationship and what most people are actually talking about when discussing this topic). What exactly that looks like depends on the individual because different people have different personalities and ways they like to be treated, though of course you can generalize to a certain extent what most women or men will prefer.
 
a guy after he lost his job and became miserable made his girlfriend completely lose respect for him. Now he wasn't a complete lazy bum as you sometimes hear. He ended up doing a significant part of the chores and would do basically anything she asked, from how they both told it anyways, as well as some things she didn't ask, like fix stuff around the house
him acquiescing to that seemed to make her lose respect for him
If a man's primary role is to provide & protect, losing his job will lower him in the eyes of his woman. Assuming "fix stuff around the house" means dirty/dangerous stuff like unclogging drains & fixing outlets/switches, that was already his domain. But if he was trying to do stuff she normally did to make up for his job loss, she probably saw it as intruding on her "care & nurture" domain ("Why is he folding my clothes the wrong way?")

he was treating her impossibly. He wasn't listening to the things she cared about
Their marriage was in complete shambles with him just doing stuff and never discussing it
I imagine he would have blown up (verbally)
This one's trickier because while the not listening makes sense as a general complaint (ie about her stuff), it would never occur to most men to discuss the household maintenance/projects they're about to do. The light is broken so you fix it, and tell the wife "btw light's fixed". Blowing up verbally goes in the "men and women are different" box...his job is to be a steady, calming force, not get wound up in hysterics.

Women don't need respect. They need love. Men need respect.
How would you describe the difference?
The best way I've seen it described is that women are loved/cherished/valued for what they are, while men are respected/admired/feared for what they do or become.
 
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Respect is something that is earned, not given wily nily.
Respect is only earned when men deal with men. Such conventions means little with women. Men generally have a baseline level of respect in women's minds, and you can only uphold it or lose it based entirely how they feel about you at the time. I can give countless examples of men who have given to or sacrificed for various familial or unfamiliar women in their lives, things that would be worthy of respect in the eyes of men, which amounted to absolutely nothing in the mind of that woman. This isn't a bad thing btw, men and women are just different.

In the first example that you gave there was almost nothing the man could do to earn back the respect he lost from his gf other than quickly find another job. That man was always helpful, and affectionate puppy. The only difference was he was a puppy with no job and continously at home being a percieved nusiance in her space. Finances are the largest reason for divorce and separation and was actually the underlying reason she lost respect: She didn't see him as a provider anymore.


@Winsome Whimsical Waif is right on the money with how men and women operate in heterosexual relationships. Both men an women see respect in completely different ways and it generally amounts to "understand me and treat me well accordingly."
@Paper Machete is right too, I'm speaking generally, but when you get to the nitty-gritty, you have to keep in mind the different personalities and tolerances of the person you are with.
@JohnnyG said everything I wanted to say in a more consice way. lol

The bible calls for men to love their wives and for women to respect and honor their husbands in nearly every moment of their lives. This is becuase it's HARD for each respective sex to do so, especially when put in bad situations in life.

In your second example, what the woman wanted wasn't "respect", it was love. She didn't feel loved by her husband. The absolute baseline way that men show love is through basic "provision and protection". Many men think this is enough, but it is not. The husband failed to understand that his wife also desired to be included in the decision-making and wanted her voice heard. Husband and wife are supposed to act as one unit, so even if he ultimately makes the decision - He should at least hear out what his wife has to say and let her get out all her thoughts and feelings Waif pointed out, this is important to women as well as maintaining a relationship. Though I disagree with her upending the marriage, it could've been salvaged if both parties were willing to understand each other.
 
these threads really bring out the speds huh. respect isn't hard, both parties just need to understand that as half of a two-person unit, their individual behavior affects two lives, and take appropriate care. there is no more specific definition as any given couple's needs, and what their equilibrium state looks like, is something that is unique to that couple.
 
The best way I've seen it described is that women are loved/cherished/valued for what they are, while men are respected/admired/feared for what they do or become.
Maybe. And maybe insisting on an absurdly, autistically dimorphic approach is a fundamentally flawed way of looking at things.

I see and hear a lot of men literally crying out to be loved for who they are, and who feel burdened by judgment of what they do or have or might become.

Conversely, certainly a lot of women want their achievements and higher qualities to be valued - respected - separate and apart from their gosh-darned adorableness.
 
I see and hear a lot of men literally crying out to be loved for who they are
I agree that this is happening, it's just delusional. And the people who told them this are retarded at best and nation-crushing sociopaths at worst.

and who feel burdened by judgment of what they do or have or might become.
Being a man does come with burdens. It's just how it is.

Conversely, certainly a lot of women want their achievements and higher qualities to be valued - respected - separate and apart from their gosh-darned adorableness.
Equally delusional. The same thousand generations of selective pressure that made women want Providers & Protectors instead of male gal-pals, also made men look for youthful, fertile women who can Care & Nurture, and that masters degree in administrative powerpoints just doesn't scratch the itch.
 
Women do not respect men nor have they ever. Feigning submission is not respect. Women do not respect anything, respect is a male concept. Just as women have no concept of morality or justice either. Refer to Schopenhauer.
Kino out of touch incel intro. I suppose you came to your conclusions after decades as a romantic Casanova having hundreds of relationships with women?
 
"Respect" is a completely nebulous catch-all term in this context. It's more that their relationships were always flimsy and they only realized it after some unforeseen inciting incident either because they got together young, for completely shallow reasons, and/or were too busy working separate jobs to actually get to know one another despite having lived together for however long. That and this is the age of instant gratification so if something isn't working out in some seemingly insurmountable way the pre-programmed response is to just abort the whole thing.

And besides, how well does anyone really know anyone else unless they're really forced to get to know them on an uncomfortably intimate level by means of some disaster that requires your undivided attention now that half to three fourths of us are zombies staring into smartphones for most of the day?
 
Women don't need respect. They need love. Men need respect.
Can you elaborate on what you mean? Is there a significant difference in an adult relationship? I suppose you could love someone but not respect them, if they were family. I’m not entirely sure how respect and love can be separated so much in a marriage.
ect, you must force women to respect you
You can’t force respect. You force fear. Do you think people respect troons because they use pronouns in public? No, they comply because they know not doing so gets you punished. You earn respect. You can respect something you fear, but the oath to respect is not through fear alone.
Are you from one of the Semitic/arabic cultures by any chance? And I’m curious; are you married?
 
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