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Inside Out 2 And What It Means To Be Queerbaited​

Disney’s relationship with queer representation is complicated. Recent years have seen the corporation improve with shows and films like The Owl House and Strange World, while also adding blink and you’ll miss it LGBTQ+ characters in Rise of Skywalker and Avengers Endgame before cutting them entirely for certain territories.

Queer people are a demographic to be profited from like everyone else, so how much queer representation we see in mainstream media is frequently down to how much money there is to be made. It’s a cynical outlook to take, but in a world where we can be heralded as icons in fictional stories but still not afforded proper rights and support in reality, it’s sadly a necessary one.
I don’t feel like I’m exaggerating when I say I’m probably the most prolific journalist covering The Owl House in the world. I’ve talked with writers, directors, actors, artists and many other people involved in its creation because I have an undying passion for it, and a large part of that is because it’s so unabashedly queer. Taking place in a world without homophobia, the show has frequently set new benchmarks in television animation and what it means to tell queer stories to young audiences and even those far above them. All the queer stories Disney intends to tell now sit in its shadow, willingly or otherwise. And this brings me to Inside Out 2.

Is Riley Queer In Inside Out 2?​

Last week saw a new trailer released for Inside Out 2 which provides our greatest look at the film yet. As teased previously, the sequel is all about new emotions and new experiences for protagonist Riley, who is now a teenager and entering high school. She has braces, joins the hockey team, and wants to make new friends, even if it means leaving old ones behind.

New emotions come in the form of Anxiety, Envy, Ennui, and Embarrassment, the former two of which are played by openly queer actors Maya Hawke (Stranger Things) and Ayo Edibiri (The Bear, Bottoms) which only adds further fuel to the theory fire I’m about to throw us into. Adèle Exarchopoulos, who plays Ennui, was also star of Blue is the Warmest Colour, one of the most iconic queer movies in cinematic history.

Riley starts at a new school and immediately becomes infatuated by a new character known as Valentina “Val” Ortiz with a cute red streak in her hair and undeniably fruity energy. Riley is a mess of blushes upon introducing herself to the girl, and it seems much of the movie’s plot will revolve around Riley navigating the minefields of friendship, puberty, and growing up.

All with personified emotions who can help her get through this, but it won’t be smooth sailing. Riley has a crush on this girl, and it’s hard for me to read it any other way. We would all come to the same conclusion if it were a boy her age - all the signs are there. Whether these feelings extend beyond platonic boundaries isn’t a question I can answer.

She even fires off a pair of finger guns at one point in a fruitless attempt to impress Val, but it seems that throughout the course of the film, the two girls will grow closer and hit it off, either as friends or, as the internet has already pondered, something more romantic.

It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen Disney tackle a queer protagonist like this, and it’s also worth noting that Riley is one of the few characters presented with emotions of different genders, hinting that perhaps there is an aspect of fluidity to her identity yet to be revealed. Such things being explored throughout Inside Out 2 isn’t off the table, although no one in the first movie has any emotions besides the original five, so maybe the lore isn’t all that concrete.
Hockey is also a peak sapphic sport.
Outside of short films, Pixar hasn’t explored queerness to this magnitude, and it would be a big step if it centres its biggest film of the year around a female protagonist coming to terms with her own LGBTQ+ identity. It would carry a strong and relevant message which young audiences need right now, while also flying in the face of critics who believe children shouldn’t be subjected to media like this. But what happens if it doesn’t tell this story? Is it fair to accuse Inside Out 2 of queerbaiting audiences?

Is Inside Out 2 Queerbaiting?​

The term ‘queerbaiting’ is thrown around recklessly these days. This is largely due to how constant online discourse tends to be, and how critical queer audiences are of films, television, and other media claiming to represent them.

According to the Oxford Languages, queerbaiting is ‘the incorporation of apparently gay characters or same-sex relationships into a film, television show, etc. as a means of appealing to gay and bisexual audiences while maintaining ambiguity about the characters' sexuality.’

Sherlock, Hibike Euphonium, and Once Upon A Time are just a few takes on the trope that spring to mind. Luca, yet another Pixar film, was heavily accused of forcing queer audiences on a ride with main characters Luca Paguro and Alberto Scorfano, whose relationship was subsequently confirmed as romantic several years later - so is it still queerbaiting in full context, or an example of coded messaging to tell a queer story around censorship? There are genuine examples of queerbaiting that have been written about time and time again, and there’s real substance to them, but I can’t say the same for Inside Out 2 right now.

My opinion on the new trailer is a predominantly queer one, but as a pansexual trans woman who writes about LGBTQ+ media for a living, of course I was going to come away with that. Even from major corporations like Disney, I still see myself in and celebrate representation such as this, especially if it gives hope to future generations or those still in the closet, or perhaps even lack a home environment that’s safe to embrace who they are.

Films like Inside Out 2 can help normalise those identities, whether we have to read through subtextual lines or not. Even if Riley’s queerness isn’t sworn into canon when the film releases in the early weeks of Pride Month, the vibes we’re drawing from the trailer still have value, and viewers are already capitalising on them with fan art, theories, and observations about exactly how something like Inside Out 2 could really serve a story about a central queer character.

Inside Out 2 And Mainstream Queer Representation​

As I mentioned earlier - all of Riley’s mother’s emotions are female, while her fathers are male. There is a chance that Riley’s emotions extend gender boundaries because she is obviously the main character and thus warrants more depth, but what if it bears a stronger meaning? One the sequel is ready and waiting to unpack with its queer themes. Could we follow the emotions inside her head as they come to the same conclusions Riley is also trying to figure out - that she is a queer teenager who shouldn’t be ashamed of herself?

This is my dream scenario at least, and it aligns oddly well with everything we’ve seen from the film so far too. The trailer isn’t queerbaiting you, fans are just making observations which ring the most true to them, looking at the actions, dialogue, and scenes presented to us and coming away with the conclusion that it might just be a little fruity. To say something queerbaits us should come with more serious connotations, not just thrown at every piece of mainstream art purely because we know it comes with ultimately capitalist intentions.

Because even movies and shows created by companies like Disney are brought to life by people in the trenches in pursuit of a creative vision, one where they want to be seen, heard, and push society in the right direction. In my experience, a lot of these people are queer, fighting against unfair systems to have their stories told in spite of everything.

Only time will tell whether Inside Out 2 is a queer story, and right now at least, it looks like it might be. But if it disappoints, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. Or go back into the closet, whichever expression works best. I think there are more complex discussions to be had over queerbaiting than throwing every single bit of mainstream representation under the bus instead of digging deeper. Only then can we move forward.
 
>Tomboyish girl who plays hockey and has dyed hair
>MC thinks she's really cool and wants to hang out with her
>there's literally no other explanation than because she's a massive homo

These people are fucking insufferable. If characters of the same sex even make eye contact, these freaks assume they're gay, and when they're not, they pen massive diatribes in which they complain about shit like this, and representation, and betrayal. You want cartoon characters to engage in gay sex, I'm sure there's plenty of rule 34 fan art. Go wild, freaks. Or, better yet, log off, and go outside
Shipping ruined the simple act of enjoyment.
 
Pixar used to be pretty experimental and philosophical even in the late 2000s, the Incredibles is quite possibly one of the best examples of this. Now they're just writing things and playing it safe for a crowd of pussified youth and you wonder why Disney is failing as a whole. They just don't take risks anymore.
 
Obergefell was 12 years ago. They've been rubbing our noses in gay shit every day ever since. And you know what? They're still whining and crying, finding ever more trivial and imagined slights to have the next sighing limpout over. We should never have given them rights.

Nine years, but yes, extending the concept of civil rights to alternative lifestyles was a mistake.

In the back of my head, before 2015, I suspected it would happen, that they'd still be just as miserable, as wretched, as entitled. I'm laughing my ass off that I was right the whole time, the only thing I got wrong was the timeframe.
 
Nine years, but yes, extending the concept of civil rights to alternative lifestyles was a mistake.
I think where they got out over their skis was when they insisted that they not just get legal rights, but some fuckin' grandma saying she doesn't want to see it on TV is literally a hate crime and she should be doxxed for wrongthink.
 
Inside Out #2 is what happens when a queer pulls out too fast

Thankfully most queers are incapable of reproducing, that's why they go after other peoples' kids.

I think where they got out over their skis was when they insisted that they not just get legal rights, but some fuckin' grandma saying she doesn't want to see it on TV is literally a hate crime and she should be doxxed for wrongthink.

Especially since we've found more evidence that homophobia is genetic than homosexual orientation supposedly is.

You'd have better luck convincing a fag to stay in the closet than you would at coaxing anything other than grudging tolerance out of most people. People who are genetically predisposed to see homosexuality as an affront to nature and decency.
 
Disney’s relationship with queer representation is complicated.
The Rat was told putting kweers in kiddie shows was the next moneymaker but is realizing too late the actual moneymakers were chased off for broke(n brained) childless lunatics like you. It's not complicated, it's retarded.

Hockey is also a peak sapphic sport.
but muh gender roles and stereotyping REEEEgod i'm tired

This is going to be such a turd, the first one was only decent because Pete Docter is talented.

But overall the world would have been better had it never been made. I’m convinced that Inside Out is the reason teen girls and Ethan Ralph have come up with “Headmates.”
I wouldn't think so since I saw headmate lunacy on tumblr before Inside Out was announced. Isn't it a cutesy way of saying "Schizophrenia" anyway?

AND either unrequited and tragic....

Or reciprocated and shunned by the evil chuds of society....

Or all-consuming to the point that you wonder if the writers were the IRL version of the "Burgers?" meme.

Either way, it eats the rest of the story alive and you have to pretend to not notice.
An unrequited gay crush would be refreshing actually. Every time a gay crush/romance happens it's always reciprocated and 100% perfect match. If they really wanted gays to be shown as normal people they would show they too get rejected and move on. But I guess deep down they don't think they're normal do they?
 
You know, there was a time I thought shipping characters together was just a past-time. This troon clearly proves its an unhealthy past-time that only people who never had a relationship would dream up of.

>see 12 year old girls
>immediately start thinking about them having sex
>run to your macbook to write fan fiction about them having sex
>make sure to include a passage about how you'll be very mad if these two little girls don't have sex


On today's episode of "why does everyone hate us?"...
And you had just explained half of the pairings you see in Western animated media. Two girls having a good conversation and good rapport? They're now lovers. See Bubblegum and Marceline as well as Blake and Yang. It doesn't get any better in absolutely pozzed cartoons like Owl House. Discount Ryoko can only do so much.
 
The Rat was told putting kweers in kiddie shows was the next moneymaker but is realizing too late the actual moneymakers were chased off for broke(n brained) childless lunatics like you. It's not complicated, it's retarded.


but muh gender roles and stereotyping REEEEgod i'm tired


I wouldn't think so since I saw headmate lunacy on tumblr before Inside Out was announced. Isn't it a cutesy way of saying "Schizophrenia" anyway?


An unrequited gay crush would be refreshing actually. Every time a gay crush/romance happens it's always reciprocated and 100% perfect match. If they really wanted gays to be shown as normal people they would show they too get rejected and move on. But I guess deep down they don't think they're normal do they?
You’re probably right but still I wish both it and Soul had been released under a different non kids label. I actually really enjoyed Soul but I don’t want children being presented with the moral quandary of anti-natalism.
 
The problem with putting a gay romance into anything is that it becomes all about the gay romance. The gayness overtakes the entire work. It's like putting rape or cancer into a storyline. These things are serious enough issues that everything in the plot has to revolve around them and all of the other aspects of the story get crowded out.
 
Hahahha nigga how is queerbaiting real hahaha just close your eyes hahah

Imagine getting "queerbaited" by Disney. Why are you expecting lesbians from a company that has actively supported anti gay bills?

It seems no matter what, american leftists call Disney out for being terrible and dystopian and regressive, then promptly forget about it and start watching their movies again.
 
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