EU Inside Poland's 'LGBT-free zones' - Gays can't into Poland's space.


In Poland, dozens of small towns have declared themselves free of "LGBT ideology". Politicians' hostility to gay rights has become a flashpoint, pitting the religious right against more liberal-minded Poles. And gay people living in these areas are faced with a choice: emigrate, keep their heads down - or fight back.
Magazine editor Tomasz Sakiewicz shows me into his Warsaw office. To my surprise, he takes my hand - which I've just rubbed with the regulation disinfectant gel - and kisses it like an 18th-Century Polish nobleman.
Then he passes me a sticker that came free with his magazine, the right-wing weekly Gazeta Polska. It shows a rainbow flag with a black cross through it. "We gave out 70,000 of these," says Sakiewicz. "And people congratulated us because we Poles love freedom."
Anti-LGBT sticker produced by Gazeta Polska
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Some 100 towns and regions across Poland, nearly a third of the country, have passed resolutions declaring themselves free of "LGBT ideology". These resolutions are essentially symbolic and unenforceable but they have provided fresh ammunition in Poland's increasingly bitter culture war.
Sakiewicz tells me people should be able to have sex with whoever they choose and boasts that in some respects, Poland is progressive. It decriminalised homosexuality in 1932, decades before most European countries.
But he is against what he describes as "aggressive ideology promoting homosexuality". The struggle for gay rights is a foreign concept imported from the US and Western Europe, he adds, and it threatens the traditional heterosexual Polish family.
Now in his 50s, Sakiewicz grew up in a Poland controlled by the Soviet Union when the government told people how to think, rejected Church influence and tolerated no dissent. Bizarrely, he now accuses LGBT campaigners of behaving in the same way.
Tomasz Sakiewicz

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"Communists used to wave the red flag and told people they were fighting for the poor, for the workers, for the peasants," he says. "Now these activists hold up the rainbow flag and say they are fighting for sexual minorities. It was not true and it is not true. And since we lived through communist times we have a duty to tell others how dangerous such ideas can be."
However far-fetched Sakiewicz's ideas may seem, they are echoed by senior politicians and figures in Poland's influential Catholic Church. In a campaign speech when he stood for re-election, President Andrzej Duda called the promotion of LGBT rights an ideology "even more destructive" than communism. The Archbishop of Krakow recently warned of a neo-Marxist "rainbow plague".
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With state-sanctioned homophobia and a largely hostile media, Polish gay people risk being pushed back into the closet, especially in small towns.
Swidnik, a couple of hours south-east of Warsaw, was the first municipality to adopt a resolution against "LGBT ideology".
Bart Staszewski

image captionBart Staszewski in Swidnik
When I arrive on a Saturday morning, half a dozen gay activists are in the main square handing out leaflets, "love is love" stickers and iced doughnuts with multi-coloured sprinkles. Their spokesman, Bart Staszewski, has organised what he called a queer tour of Poland's east to show people that gay people are "normal citizens".
He adds: "We are the rainbow myth-busters. We are not aggressive. Our balloons are not provocative, our flags are not provocative. Our doughnuts are not provocative!"
Donuts handed out by LGBT rights activists

But on the other side of the street, there is a group of about 30 young men shouting themselves hoarse. "Swidnik free of rainbow propaganda," they yell, trying to drown out the sound of the breezy pop music coming from the speakers of the gay rights activists.
One man, with a shaved head, tells me he doesn't like the LGBT group's message. "They don't want to fit into our society," he says. "And we don't want them in this town."
"They are weakening the nation," says another. "And that's the goal of Poland's enemies. War's no longer about tanks and missiles. You destroy a country by making chaos. And that's what these gays are trying to do."
Anti-LGBT protesters

Between the two groups, there's a long line of riot police all wearing helmets and bullet proof vests and sweating in the hot sun.
"To be honest, I am glad the police are here", says Staszewski. "We feel much safer." He adds that many gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Poles have recently emigrated to escape persecution.
In Tuchow, a town of 6,500 people founded in medieval times, which has also declared itself free of "LGBT ideology", I meet a gay teenager in a local park. Filip, not his real name, moved to the town from a more liberal-minded big city. His parents have no problem with his sexuality. And nor has Filip ever feared for his safety in Tuchow. Still, that doesn't mean it is easy to be gay in this part of Poland, 100km east of Krakow.

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"Once, when my boyfriend and I were holding hands", he says, "we heard a few people shouting names at us." Gay people in Tuchow, he adds, can only live in peace by staying "invisible". If he hasn't suffered from any bad experiences, it is because he is "a bit of a nerd" who spends much of his time playing video games in front of his computer.
At Sunday mass at the magnificent baroque shrine of the Blessed Virgin Mary, on a hill overlooking Tuchow, I meet Grazyna Karas. She's a pillar of her community - fundraising for good causes and running a hotline and counselling service for local youth.
Later, back at her house over coffee, she tells me she tells me she fully backs the town's resolution on "LGBT ideology". She is also worried about what she sees as the pernicious influence of the World Health Organization's guidelines on sex education.
Addiction problems in Tuchow, she says, are rampant. But it is not drink or drugs she is most worried about - it is the internet and masturbation.
Kazimierz and Grazyna Kara

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"Our young people are terrified about doing it - and they want to stop," she says. "But they can't - they don't know what to do. So I refer them to a sexologist at a Church clinic."
At this point, her husband Kazimierz interrupts to tell us that homosexuality is a sickness that can be treated.
"But it requires good will," he says. "It is not as if you're done for and you're a homosexual for the rest of your life. Something can be done about it." He recommends an American self-help book called Coming Out Straight.
With Poland's birth rate now at its lowest since World War Two, Mrs Karas is also worried about demographics. "Homosexual unions do not guarantee the growth of our fatherland," she tells me.
During his re-election campaign in June, President Duda signed a "Family Charter," including pledges to prevent gay couples from marrying or adopting children and to ban teaching about LGBT issues in schools.
Grzegorz Niemiec, a local altar boy turned town councillor who voted for the Resolution against "LGBT ideology", says he was also worried about sex education and wanted children to grow up in "normal families". He said nobody on the Tuchow council was against the resolution, although three abstained from voting.
But in August the European Union's Equalities Commissioner cried foul, saying that it went against EU values and fundamental human rights. Then came a rare punishment: Tuchow and five other towns were stripped of funding for their European town twinning programmes.
Grzegorz Niemiec

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Niemiec tells me he was "very surprised" at the decision but is happy that the Polish justice minister has since compensated Tuchow with a cheque worth three times as much.
"The European Union is going to have to listen to our government," he says. "Poland's getting up off its knees and we can no longer be under the thumb of the Germans or the French."
But last week Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, sounded uncompromising.
"Being yourself is not your ideology," she told applauding MEPs in the European parliament in Brussels. "It's your identity," she said.
"So I want to be crystal clear - LGBTQI-free zones are humanity-free zones. And they have no place in our union."
Magdalena Marszałek

image captionMagdalena Marszałek
Back at the town hall in Tuchow, the mayor, Magdalena Marszałek, tells me her non-executive role prevented her from voting for or against the LGBT resolution herself. But she tells me she is not against gay people and was appalled when she received hate mail from all over the world. She's since posted a long statement on Facebook in which she complains that Tuchow has become a pawn in other people's games.
"I want our people here to understand that all this not about us, our life, our ceremonies. Rather, it's that the political parties, the European Union - and the LGBT organisations - they're all using Tuchow to pursue their own interests," she says.
Some Polish politicians have stood up for gay rights. At President Duda's swearing-in ceremony, 10 female MPs wore bright colours and rainbow masks. Some even held up copies of the constitution to show that they believe the president has violated the country's legal protections.
But a number of gay activists feel let down by liberal politicians who have failed to take concrete actions. They say there's no longer any point in campaigning peacefully against homophobia. As far as Małgorzata Szutowicz - a non-binary activist usually known as Margot - is concerned, the time for giving out stickers and doughnuts with a smile is over.
Margot

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Born Michal, Margot founded Stop Bzdurom - which means Stop the Nonsense - a radical, feminist, queer collective. In June a few of them got into an altercation with the driver of a truck that belonged to an organisation called Fundacja Pro, which is known for campaigning against abortion.
The conservative charity regularly sends trucks with loudspeakers around Polish cities with a message conflating homosexuality and sex education with paedophilia. "We don't want our children to question their identity," says their spokeswoman Anna Szczerbata. "We want them to grow up healthily and happily and not be abused by anyone."
"Basically the message they've been blasting through those loudspeakers is that gays rape children," says Margot, who has just been released from prison.
After an international protest, she is out on bail but still faces a seven-year sentence if convicted of charges of battery and criminal damage. Margot claims she only tried to stop the truck driver from filming them with his phone. "I wish I could have beat him up - but he was three or four times larger than me," she laughs.
"I want to show my community that we no longer have to live in fear," she adds. "For years we've been asking for minimal provisions and legislation that would protect us - if not from discrimination, then at least from physical violence."
When I ask whether she advocates the use of violence herself, her mood changes and she replies with a string of expletives.
"People who have not lived the lives of the LGBT community in this country shouldn't judge us," she says angrily. "And nobody should be surprised if we are eventually forced to take things into our own hands."
But the ultra-conservatives are also spoiling for a fight. A far-right organisation called All Polish Youth have vowed to "beat down the rainbow scum", furious that multi-coloured flags had been hung on statues of Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
"I just read a post on Twitter that one of the gay activists has said that the time for peaceful struggle is over", says Mateusz Marzoch protesting outside Warsaw's university. "Well, they need to know that if they are taking the gloves off, our side won't run off to hide. We'll meet them head-on. And it's going to hurt."
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The vast majority of people who support the 'gay-free zones' aren't exactly wrong...
 
Theres literally no rational reason to be against gay rights other than religious reasons. So Yes, it is impossible.
There's a huge difference between gay rights and LGBTTTTTTTTTTQQQQQQQQQ. The T and the Q fuck things up for the LGB. The movement to kick out the T and Q is the smartest thing the LGB have done. They should have done it long ago.
 
I agree, but only the gays can do this. Not the lesbians, the gay males. I am not supportive of outlawing homosexuality at all. I also do not care what they do in private as long as everyone involved is an adult. I am supportive of applying the same standards of public decency to the GBTQQQQQQQ bbq as we do to straight people. Where have you seen straight people tossing dolla dolla bills at a half naked 10-yo child writhing around on the ground? Or walking each other on leashes in public? The latter, I actually have seen at like, malls in the 90s, and I also saw the mall cops escort them right out.

Being asked to not fuck other consenting adults in their own private spaces would be an infringement on their rights. Being told they need to keep their sex acts at home and stay away from kids is not oppression, it’s decency. Straight people must abide by this, we actually don’t try to NOT do that. But gays and troons will act like because a straight couple might hold hands or give each other a peck in public, that’s the equivalent of their public pornography, and it isn’t, and the only way these children will learn is if they have their beating.

You see, some children cannot rest until they have had their beating. This is because for an immature person who has no self-control, though they demand and agitate for freedom to do as they like, on some level this is frightening to the child-man. He knows he cannot limit himself and if no one else is willing to put limits on him, what might happen? Anything. I think these people want to be shoved back into the closet because they know the hands-off let them do literally anything they want anywhere they want to do it attitude of the general public has resulted in their extreme degradation but they are too out of control to get themselves back in line, and know the rest of them are too and there’s no way the community can control itself. It is too dedicated to chasing the dragon of acceptance without limits.

On some level I think they’ll be relieved to have standards of decency applied to them again. No matter how much that toddler may protest against nap time, she really really wants that nap. She really does. She just can’t admit it.
 
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Gay rights is what lead to all the other shit.

It's because the troons saw being gay as an unassailable cultural motte that they could take for themselves, just one problem: they weren't gay. So they had to invent entire new personas that were totally kweer in order to occupy our space while hoping no one would notice that they were still straight. I'm a gay man and I'll be the first to say that the genderspecials need to fuck right the hell off.
 
Sure, troons certainly helped speed up the degeneration of the lgbtq+ movement. But the poor behavior of the homosexuals themselves cannot be entirely ignored. The pride parades? Non-troon fetishist flock to those. And it was not long ago when homosexuals were the peak of the victimization pyramid. They only recently got dethroned by skirt-wearing men and even now, criticism is a great way to end up on the wrong side of cancel culture.
 
I think part of the religious right's resistance to gay relationships outright caused this mess worldwide as gays developed an underground subculture that is no longer underground.

It's important to distinguish between normal gays (don't tell me they don't exist; they do) and fags that make homosexuality the centrality of their existence. I'm all for bullying the latter, but for the love of god if you keep harassing the former some of them will turn into the obnoxious fags we all hate.

LGBT groups don't give a shit about gay men much anymore to begin with because they're not trans or woman enough. They're especially mean to gays that aren't on the far left. Conservative or libertarian gays (the ones that generally aren't perverted weirdos) aren't welcome in the LGBT movement, don't treat them like the left wing fetishist version.
 
No, come on, there's no such thing as backlashes. It's fine to shove your ideology down people's throats while telling them they're horrible bigots if you won't let them chop your kids dick off.
 
Is largely contained and another STD. Also research that has yet to be scientifically disproved claims Aids is the result of a lifestyle of specific drug use, drinking , and an unhealthy lifestyle that includes but is not limited to risky sexual behavior. Unless you are going to ban risky heterosexual behavior, banning risky homosexual behavior isn't rational(I would argue).

But that's enough gay sperging for me. Globohomo literally BTFO in Poland. Trannies most effected.
You're probably baiting at this point, but I don't care, I'll oblige you just this once.

Let's take for instance, the ongoing "gay ban" on blood transfusions. As you probably know, there's a blood donation ban for gay men, and for very good reasons. Laboratory technicians are extremely statistics and numbers driven, no room for feelings. There are an extremely high number of restrictions in place on the blood supply and every one of them is in place due to the pure statistics of the matter.

There are blanket bans in place for several things. For example if you spent more than 3 months in the UK between 1980 and 1996, you can't donate. Yes, even vacation. That ban is in place, spanning 16 years, as a precautionary measure against "mad cow". And this is just one of many restrictions. The list is long and sometimes complicated, but all of it is in place to eliminate groups which are at higher risk.

Now all of this lead up, is coming to the "gay ban"... which more specifically is a ban on males that have sex with males. Meaning that if somebody has sex in prison but isn't really gay, yes that still counts. And homosexuality is not just about sex, so a virgin homosexual male is a fantastic donor. Moreover it is not a ban on gays in general as lesbians are some of the absolute best donors out there... as a population they have some of the lowest rates of STDs. However specifically males that have sex with males (MSM) have a far greater statistical probability of having many sexually transmitted diseases. This is not me arbitrarily bad-mouthing the group, it's just a statistical fact. The reasons behind this are many, complicated, and nuanced... and I'm not saying anything about that aside from the pure numbers.

Now all of this said, laboratory technicians test every single donation thoroughly. However, there are two factors to consider here. First off, the most difficult infections to detect are early infections. Cases where the person themselves probably doesn't even know that they have the disease yet. Again looking at the statistics, the highest rates of new infections are among MSM. Secondly, the test that they use are extremely accurate. So even though it is almost certain that we would detect the disease... we run into other problems right away.

The first problem is that samples are generally not tested individually. The tests are so sensitive that you can take the blood from 10 people, mix it together, and then test that set as a group. So rather than having to do the test 10 times, they can do it once. This saves money and time without reducing accuracy.

However, what happens if one of those 10 people is infected? HIPAA is extremely heavy-handed regarding identification of patients with HIV (rightly so). So all 10 of those donations are going to be throwing out rather than identifying the person without their permission. And all 10 of those people are no longer going to be able to donate. Secondly, even if that wasn't an issue, that blood goes through dozens of hands. Accidental needle sticks are rare, but not unheard of. So that blood is still a risk. So we want to reduce the chance.

And this trend of higher STD rates isn't isolated to HIV. Many others as well.

So all this said... if we ignored all of that and made the exception... What is gained? MSM are a small population. Certainly smaller than other blanket banned groups. Those factors are weighed, which led to where we are. So even if I were a supporter of gay equality and rights, I couldn't possibly agree that MSMs should have an exception to something solely based on statistics. The rate of new infections needs to come down closer to the national population levels.

And again, it's not a gay thing... lesbians are statistically good donors because their STD rate is actually way below the general population.

Source: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm

Having said that, let's not forget about the fact that "bug chasing" is a very real thing among gays, so it only makes them look worse. I'll let you look that up on google, as I don't want that on my search history.

And all this is just one of the many aspects why gays have been sperging out about "muh pride", but don't have the numbers to support any kind of proper social integration.
 
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Is largely contained and another STD. Also research that has yet to be scientifically disproved claims Aids is the result of a lifestyle of specific drug use, drinking , and an unhealthy lifestyle that includes but is not limited to risky sexual behavior. Unless you are going to ban risky heterosexual behavior, banning risky homosexual behavior isn't rational(I would argue).

Did you know 28% of homosexuals have more than 1,000 sexual partners? :stress:
 
I think you mean Greece. I'm pretty sure it was the Spartans.
It was Thebes actually, and their elite Sacred Band formation of hoplites was made entirely of gay men because it was thought they'd fight better for their lovers than some random dude. You're not wrong for being confused because they broke the Spartan lines apart and plunged deep to their rear areas once or twice using those long quivering spears of theirs. Yes, I know what I typed. Enjoy.

As to the poster who talked about Poland being anally raped... they were anally raped in the same way Ed Gein anally raped his victims. Going by percentages as opposed to numerical losses, the people of Poland suffered the worst out of any involved nation, with both the SS and NKVD having free reign to deal with any dissent, in addition to neither of the primary combatants having any real motivation to avoid collateral damage during the combats, and in fact a great deal of motivation to level as much Polish infrastructure and kill as many Poles as possible.
 
This all seems pretty dumb ,it's almost certainly a prelude to something nastyer and more autocratic plus it's probably distraction politics like it is in the us and uk for deeper social issues. Why talk economics or poverty when you can drone on about some gay dude corrupting children? because god forbid anyone notice the countries right is dominated by hockey religious crackpots with zero interest in the plebs liberties.
 
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This all seems pretty dumb ,it's almost certainly a prelude to something nastyer and more autocratic plus it's probably distraction politics like it is in the us and uk for deeper social issues. Why talk economics or poverty when you can about some gay dude corrupting children? because god forbid anyone notice the countries right is dominated by hockey religious crackpots with zero interest in the plebs liberties.
Globohomo is indeed a threat to their sovereignty. Some places are based enough to just come out and say it

However, it's deeply unfortunate that it's affecting gay people trying to live their lives.
 
Does it affect gay people just trying to live their lives? I don’t see them making the gay illegal. I see them saying, tap it down in public. Gay people can live their lives like straight people, keeping their sex lives and nudity in their own homes or the private homes of consenting adults. This doesn’t limit them at all. Am I missing something? Is the fear that this is going to end up being about gay guys getting defenestrated like it’s Chechnya? That, yes, would be bad. But expecting public decency from gays doesn’t hurt them at all.
 
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Does it affect gay people just trying to live their lives? I don’t see them making the gay illegal. I see them saying, tap it down in public. Gay people can live their lives like straight people, keeping their sex lives and nudity in their own homes or the private homes of consenting adults. This doesn’t limit them at all. Am I missing something? Is the fear that this is going to end up being about gay guys getting defenestrated like it’s Chechnya? That, yes, would be bad. But expecting public decency from gays doesn’t hurt them at all.
It seems like some people are taking it further, from what I've read. I'd be happy if it was just hype, but knowing people, they tend to overcorrect when it comes to backlashes.
 
Globohomo is indeed a threat to their sovereignty. Some places are based enough to just come out and say it

However, it's deeply unfortunate that it's affecting gay people trying to live their lives.

“Gay people just trying to live their lives”, aka the acceptance of open faggotry, *is* globohomo as pushed by the EU, or the first step of it anyway. It would be a major alteration to Polish cultural norms, pushed on them from Brussels without their consent. If you accept it, you accept moderate globohomo (you just think the current version goes too far sometimes).

You only make a distinction between the two because you’re (I’m guessing) American or a member of the Anglosphere and globohomo is more advanced there.


Does it affect gay people just trying to live their lives? I don’t see them making the gay illegal. I see them saying, tap it down in public. Gay people can live their lives like straight people, keeping their sex lives and nudity in their own homes or the private homes of consenting adults. This doesn’t limit them at all. Am I missing something? Is the fear that this is going to end up being about gay guys getting defenestrated like it’s Chechnya? That, yes, would be bad. But expecting public decency from gays doesn’t hurt them at all.

You want gays to be discrete huh? Well, the only time gays ever exercised discretion is when they feared social and legal punishment for their reprobate lifestyle. Give them an inch and they will take a whole mile.

I don’t think Poland has the retarded Anglo “muh consenting adults” non-morality, which is probably why it’s less pozzed than and less weak to Muslims than its Western neighbors.
 
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In all seriousness, I get not wanting the far-Left, tranny, pedophilic, degenerate, faggot shit, but Poland has been going way too far in the opposite direction lately. This is starting to get concerning.

No, it's not. This is not concerning at all!
The filth comprised of far-Left, tranny, pedophilic, degenerate, faggot shit is the poison that slowly creeps all around Europe and even worse in the USA.
They're infiltrating our schools with troons to indoctrinate the kids that is is ok to be ass raped by some 45 year old troon loser, they're infiltrating the public health sector to get even more fre gib me dat to cure their STD's which they're happily spreading around, they're infiltrating every single sector of our lifes with their degeneracy.
Why do you think all these hate speech laws came up all around Europe?
It's not that these laws would protect some poor jew somewhere in Europe. These laws sole purpose is to protect all the homos and it's just the first step, next step is that homos raping kids is totally normal and trying to file a police report and press charges is a hate crime.
That's what this degenerate filth wants, what they want is to do what they want and no consequences for doing so.

Just take that degenerate pro-pedo propaganda movie "Cuties",
these things are nothing more like testballoons, intended to see how far they can go before resistance comes up.
The next movie then is a bit less controversial and a few years later some left homo-pedo member of the European Parliament brings in a draft of a law about "getting the age of consent into the future aka get it down from 16 to 11."
Which then is ofc lauded and praised by the lefties as "modern, inclusive and so on and so forth" and everybody who's against it is a homophobe, -ist, -tism and so on and so forth.
Just wait and see!

IMHO, Poland is the way to follow, not the "oh please have some more understanding" crowd.
Homos are degenerates and must be stopped, if necessary by all means necessary.
 
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