UK Inside the dark world of bug chasing - Moment gay man, 53, on a mission to get HIV reveals he 'liked it' when a man he'd slept with texted him to reveal he had AIDS

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A controversial sexual fetish where people actively seek to contract HIV has been explored in a Channel 4 documentary.

It’s a Sin actor Nathaniel J Hall, from Manchester, investigated the world of 'bug chasing' and spoke to a 'chaser', a man who doesn’t take PrEP – medication which prevents HIV from getting into the body – in his mission to contract the virus.

Elsewhere Nathaniel met another man, a so-called 'gifter' with HIV, who is happy to transmit the virus to willing recipients.

Nathan, who is HIV positive himself, became emotional at one point, asking: 'Why do we feel so s*** about ourselves that we want to do this to ourselves.'

One gay man explained it that it was always on his mind tht he could contract the virus, so his way of dealing with it was to 'actively chase it', while others seem to love the thrill of the 'risk' of catching the virus through unprotected sex.

Although the outlook for people with HIV has significantly improved over the past 10 years, the virus damages the immune system, making it hard for the body to fight other diseases, which means it still has the potential to cause serious illness.

Despite this, 'the chaser' admitted to going on the dark web to actively seek out people with HIV to send him their semen in a condom.

He said: 'I went onto the dark web website, and they supposedly send you their semen in a condom. I tried it once and it hadn't worked.'

'The chaser' also revealed he wouldn't consider taking PrEP before sex with men whose viral load is detectable.

Viral load refers to the amount of virus in an infected person's blood. If a person is taking HIV treatment but their viral load is detectable, the treatment is not working properly and there may still be a risk of HIV transmission to sexual partners.

Asked why he doesn't take PrEP and carry on with the fantasy of having sex with HIV positive men, he said: 'If you’re going to do what you feel is right, then it should be real, so PrEP is not on the agenda.'

'The chaser' revealed he would never take HIV medication if he did end up getting the virus, despite knowing he could die.

He said: 'I don't feel the need to, I would just be my normal self until I can't carry on. I am prepared and ready for my time when it comes.'

Nathaniel pointed out that living with HIV costs the NHS, however the 'chaser' wasn't phased saying: 'I paid into the NHS my whole life. If I need to be cared for by the NHS then I expect to be.'

The 'chaser' detailed the first time he slept with someone with HIV, saying: 'I went to Amsterdam and went down the stairs and there was loads of hot guys, I gave one my phone number and three days later he messaged saying ''I got AIDS, haha'. I quite liked that.'

When Nathaniel asked if he was scared of getting HIV, 'the chaser' replied: 'No it's just like getting the flu.'

Nathaniel responded: 'Well, it is a little bit different to the flu, it can actually kill you.' To which 'the chaser' quipped: 'It can, but so can the flu.'

The actor pointed out that without treatment AIDS is 'guaranteed to kill you' but the chances of dying from the flu 'are much less.'

'The chaser' added: 'Well on that point you are correct but I am 53-years-old, I have come to the point in life where I do what I want to do.'

Elsewhere Nathaniel met with a 'gifter' to find out the reasoning behind wanting to pass on the virus to others.

Nathaniel, who was diagnosed with HIV when he was 16 and became an activist after years of shame, first heard about bug chasing 10 years ago when someone messaged him on a dating app asking would he 'gift them' his HIV.

Elsewhere Nathaniel met another man, a so-called 'gifter' with HIV, who is happy to transmit the virus to willing recipients
The actor said: 'I can't wrap my head around this. Why would someone want to pass on HIV? Most people who are HIV positive like me are taking medication so we can't pass it on and we are desperate not to, so this is the bit that I have been absolutely dreading.'

The 'gifter', who covered his face with a mask to conceal his identity, revealed he has been HIV positive for 18 months and he doesn't take any medication for it.

He said: 'I have been doing unprotected bareback sex for about seven or eight years. It was always on my mind if this would be the time that I would end up HIV positive, I couldn't fully relax so in the end I decided to actively chase it.

'When I started doing bareback sex it was like being let off the leash almost, because I had led quite a closeted life until that point.'

Speaking about 'gifting' his HIV to someone for the first time he added: 'I feel like I gave him a present he had been wanting for a long time.'

He added: 'When people ask me to infect them, I do have quite a long chat with them about potential consequences.'

Nathaniel discovered that although most of the bug chasing is taking part online as a fantasy, there are a small minority of people who are acting it out in real life.

He said: 'It's complicated but I think it has something to do with our shared experiences of stigma and shame as gay men.'

Looking on an online forum, he discovered posts from people who talked about the efforts they've made - using the slag term 'poz' to indicate HIV positive.

'I've crashed a few poz only parties. At one I had to pretend to be poz to get in, which by itself was such a rush,' one wrote.

'You can see there's risk involved here. The thrill,' Nathaniel commented.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

HIV has not been a death sentence since Magic Johnson and Holly Johnson of Frankie Goes to Hollywood beat it. I wonder if these fags would be so cavalier if t were certain death as it was in the 80s.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

I vaguely remember a Something Awful Weekend Web post about a forum full of these people from, like, 20 years ago. The phrase "poz my neg ass" is permanently burned into my brain as a result. What I'm saying is that this has been a thing for a while.

It's shocking when the pieces fall together and you realize that this is the gay equivalent of a pregnancy fetish.

 

[The Connected Nose]

HIV has not been a death sentence since Magic Johnson and Holly Johnson of Frankie Goes to Hollywood beat it. I wonder if these fags would be so cavalier if t were certain death as it was in the 80s.

Get insurance companies to stop covering the medications and it will be. They exchange certain death for a lifetime of subservience to Big Pharma. None of them are affording all of that shit on their barista and "Orange Man Bad" article income.

 

[Nirylo]

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It's shocking when the pieces fall together and you realize that this is the gay equivalent of a pregnancy fetish.

And this is how they convert the new generations.

 

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these people get taxpayer funded aids treatment for life btw
isn't socialized medicine great

Socialized medicine would be putting these 'people' in asylums with their own or euthanizing them.

The Reagan angle never made sense to me, even in my most liberal days. They blame Reagan for what, not taking it seriously? What would taking it seriously have meant?

Reagan shut down the nuthouses in Cali, like Enoch Powell did in the UK. Asylums are the kindest way to address the homosexual problem- overly kind in my book.

 

[The Hardest R]

The Reagan angle never made sense to me, even in my most liberal days. They blame Reagan for what, not taking it seriously? What would taking it seriously have meant?

They wanted unlimited resources and funding to cure AIDS and anything less is/was genocide. Meanwhile there was a big backlash for posters hung up in bathhouses that advocated using condoms. Gay health activists were attacked for suggesting that fags should keep their dick in their pants even just a little or wear a rubber. Much like now, gays believe they should have as much sex as possible with as many partners as possible and it’s society’s job to pick up the tab. They believe it’s society’s fault they got HIV after fucking their 800th partner.

 

[The Connected Nose]

And this is how they convert the new generations.

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK DID I JUST READ......

TOTAL. FAGGOT. DEATH.

 

[Snekpilled]

Homos have an impaired (or no) disgust response and are basically defined by unrestrained lust, so whether it's aids, monkeypox, or whatever other horrid new disease they spawn into existence, they will keep sodomizing each other despite it dooming themselves and everyone else. Bugchasing is just the logical endpoint of the default gay male mindset.

 

[Dr. Hannibal Buress]

Anyone who still believes in gay equality and that most of the beliefs are old-time superstitions, really need to read "And The Band Played On." Gay journo covering the AIDS epidemic in the 1980's, doctors easily figure out it's mostly a gay dude problem and recommend to stop fucking or at least use a condom; and the gay community couldn't handle such an insult. They later went on to blame Reagan and everyone else about their health problems.

I re-read that recently, and lo and behold, whose name shows up? Why one Dr. Anthony Fauci, who completely fucked up the public health response to AIDs as well. who took the blame for his massive incompetence? Ronald Reagan, a republican president, because he went out and lobbied the fags personally, blaming the government for his own fuck ups.

 

[Night Crawler]

I remember hearing about this when I was in the alt-right. It was a running joke. It's where I first heard the phrase poz and neghole.

I vaguely remember a Something Awful Weekend Web post about a forum full of these people from, like, 20 years ago. The phrase "poz my neg ass" is permanently burned into my brain as a result. What I'm saying is that this has been a thing for a while.

It's neghole. Poz my neghole. Also getting your neghole pozzed. lol

Another way it was used is like this. Just poz my neghole fam. lol

TRS is where I learned about this. Known as Standard Fuck Party. TRS used to have meet ups they called standard pool parties. It was always rumored that there were a few fags on the old TRS forum.

I suggest watching it on your phone because the quality is really poor. the small phone screen just makes these old shitty videos easier to watch.

https://youtu.be/56Bc9UoxklQ

That's what the song "spooky fuck party" is based on.

https://youtu.be/Xh62qFaC11s

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Reminder that this came out in 2003.

The more things change, the more they stay exactly the same.

Thought I was going to bed, but I ended up watching that. Well now I know why want HIV. It is because they are coombrained they would rather just it and not have to worry about getting anymore than wear condoms. Some dude on there that said he took like 40 guys or something in his ass at one party. WTF? How do you even walk the next day? There was a brief mention of other STDs. One guy said he was actually more scared of Hepatitis than HIV. These guys have to constantly be on antibiotics for bacterial STDs because I don't see how it isn't possible. I just, yeah let's reopen the camps before they kill us all.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

This is news to you guys? Metokur's covered this ages ago.
Nothing will turn you straight faster than taking a solid look at what the gay "scene" is like--a bunch of desperate, whorish, ugly coomers with zero standards, and increasingly depraved fetishes. I just wanted like, something out of my BL romance manga, but 3DPD is too fucking demoralizing to even fucking bother trying.

Admittedly this problem is one that kind of works itself out naturally.

No, you get South Africa instead where 1 in 5 people have AIDS, and there's no way to bring the numbers down. If a mother with AIDS has a baby, the baby will have AIDS as well.

 

[totally not CIA agent]

No, you get South Africa instead where 1 in 5 people have AIDS, and there's no way to bring the numbers down. If a mother with AIDS has a baby, the baby will have AIDS as well.

I thought HIV positive mothers were able to give birth to children without them contracting HIV? Now granted, I'd get how that wouldn't be possible in South Africa due to the entire country crumbling since the 90s.

 

[Hog Grease]

One of these days some pissed off fag is going to get the gift without warning, then pop off and start trapping and murdering dudes on these bugchasing forums. Probably just like blowing their heads off.

In the 1980s there was a sadistic serial killer in the UK called Michael Lupo who murdered four men after finding out he was HIV positive. However, given that he boasted of having had 4,000 lovers, it was only a matter of time he would have gotten it.

 

[Otterly]

Admittedly this problem is one that kind of works itself out naturally.

Not before they’ve Infected innocent people and the blood supply

There is something legitimately wrong with these people. Like seriously fucked in the head. The Disgust mechanism in their brains is completely broken.

It’s a lack of a functioning behavioural immune system. This is the innate response that creates disgust - some sperging about it here, but it’s stronger in conservatives and much reduced in liberals. It seems to be pathologically reduced in some people.
Post in thread 'The science behind why conservatives are so easily triggered'
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-s...-are-so-easily-triggered.152026/post-15061078

Eventually there will be an HIV strain that PrEP can’t deal with and it’ll be the 80s and 90s all over again where we have to pretend we can get AIDS by drinking from a water fountain just so we can pretend it’s not from fag sex or infected needles from druggies to avoid hurting anyone’s feelings. We’ve learned nothing.

Hopefully soon . My only sadness will be for the people infected by partners who cheat, or via the blood supply or assault etc.

HIV has not been a death sentence since Magic Johnson and Holly Johnson of Frankie Goes to Hollywood beat it. I wonder if these fags would be so cavalier if t were certain death as it was in the 80s.

PreP is t the wonder meds people think it is. It’s very damaging to the liver and kidneys and HIv positive people still get dementia at a very high rate. It’s not a harmless pill that makes everything Ok.

thought HIV positive mothers were able to give birth to children without them contracting HIV?

You need to reduce the viral load to almost undetectable, not breastfeed and have a birth that doesn’t cause trauma. SA is such a mess that I doubt they get even a fraction of the care the west would.
It’s almost like societies have had taboos and social rules to stop overly damaging and promiscuous behaviour…

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

Dark web?

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Daddy Fuck Flu doesn't need to hide, he's on clearnet @ The Breeding Zone.

I initially thought the hippie symbol was the Overwatch logo, which would have made it a very nice reference to this absolute gem:

 

[CowPox]

Do people even die of aids anymore?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

It’s a lack of a functioning behavioural immune system. This is the innate response that creates disgust - some sperging about it here, but it’s stronger in conservatives and much reduced in liberals. It seems to be pathologically reduced in some people.

Is there a way to repair it? I'm assuming the trap to troon pipeline is a constant degrading of the behavioral immune system.

 

[Otterly]

Is there a way to repair it? I'm assuming the trap to troon pipeline is a constant degrading of the behavioral immune system.

That’s a good question, and the answer is that I don’t know. Interesting to think about.

 

[BobbyBriggs69420]

I vaguely remember a Something Awful Weekend Web post about a forum full of these people from, like, 20 years ago.

I remember it was not long after that bug chasing was declared a "right wing conspiracy" or toxic otherizing or something.

I see the hateful righties with nothing else to do have given this thing an update, modernized it with mentions of prep, the dark web and wearing wuflu masks to protect against that actual deadly virus.