Insomniacs, Assemble

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

So either the search feature mislead me and will now make me look like a total retard, or there's no off topic thread for us insomniacs.
Jesus god, there is nothing like laying in bed, watching the hours click by, taking handfuls of sleeping aids that do nothing, having nothing quash the inability to crash into slumber. Oh, or taking hypnotics to sleep and then being unable to, producing much too realistic auditory/visual hallucinations and anterograde amnesia, that's also a treat.
What the ever fraying, sleep deprived cord that is my brain is trying to ask is, how do you cope with insomnia? How long has it been a problem? Do you get activities done during the wee hours of the morning? Do you perceive the world differently at night? How many sunrises have you seen, and not in a Wake Up At Dawn kind of way? indulge me.

I've always been unable to sleep, even as a child, witnessing shit like this:

on late night programming that no one seems to remember (and literally thought it was a figment of my imagination until I looked it up 3 years ago), on top of bad late night movies, too much vidya, and other things that are generally recognized by Concerned Parents Like You as detrimental to a child's development. Clearly this doesn't apply to me, because I'm a well adjusted individual, posting on this site and everything.
I was on Ambien for half a year many moons ago (don't get me started on how evil/amazing that shit is, and how you're only supposed to take it for two weeks, but your doctor keeps writing you scripts because lawl it's America), now I take enough diphenhydramine to put a bear in a coma, I take about 60 MGs of melatonin throughout the night, and still manage to be up, either studying or frittering away my time by reading iBooks/news/the farms after tossing and turning for a couple of hours gets boring. It doesn't help that my heartsweet (who is a damn Sleeper) lays next to me so I feel bad if I boot up some vidya/watch a movie.

If you have this same dilemma in your life, I would love some input. I know not everyone is in Good Ole Murika and you're most likely reading this at lunch BUT, I hope some fellow insomniacs share their stories because we are all kindered, sleep deprived souls or...something. Alright, you can rate that Autistic.

 

[Pizza The Hutt]

Lord you sound exactly like me a couple years ago.

Been 4 years since I quit Ambien, I stopped after I almost burned down my house making a panini. Weened myself off it after a month, then started taking enough diphenhydramine, melatonin, and valerian root to stun a moose every night. Had to quit taking that stuff though because I swear it was doing something to my kidneys or prostate. I would be getting up a dozen times a night to dribble a drop of piss in the sink.

I have no cure for you, if you can't tell by what time this reply was posted. Just know I feel your pain.

 

[Overcast]

Personally, I almost never have trouble sleeping. However, there are those very rare days where I find myself waking up in the middle of the night, and I just can't get back to sleep. My mind will race around in my head for no apparent reason and I just squirm around trying to get back to sleep. It's a terrible feeling.

My dad told me he had issues with sleeping for most of his life. And I imagine it must be incredibly hard for him.

I don't really have a cure for this kind of thing either. But sometimes, when I do find myself wanting to go to sleep, I try to count inside my head. It's not a fool proof strategy, but it occasionally works.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Lord you sound exactly like me a couple years ago.

Been 4 years since I quit Ambien, I stopped after I almost burned down my house making a panini. Weened myself off it after a month, then started taking enough diphenhydramine, melatonin, and valerian root to stun a moose every night. Had to quit taking that stuff though because I swear it was doing something to my kidneys or prostate. I would be getting up a dozen times a night to dribble a drop of piss in the sink.

I have no cure for you, if you can't tell by what time this reply was posted. Just know I feel your pain.

Thanks, man. You gave me tha feelz hard here. Ambien was one of the hardest things to kick for me, I seriously can't believe it's scheduled so lowly when it's in the same family as Xanax. Did you forget the panini when you entered the twilight phase 15 minutes in? I've burned the fuck out of food before, literally I would be standing at the stove watching the skillet and then somehow time would pass by and my food would be charred black. Didn't even notice it.
I actually haven't had urination problems with diphohydramine, but it depresses the CNS so much that I would constantly drop things, same thing with Ambien, I shattered the screen on an old Droid a couple years back when it literally just fell out of my hand as I was talking on it, would drop my keys over and over when trying to open my car door, shit like that. Definitely not good. I think that's linked to drugs in the hypnotic class more than anything else though.
Do you take anything now to sleep?

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Personally, I almost never have trouble sleeping. However, there are those very rare days where I find myself waking up in the middle of the night, and I just can't get back to sleep. My mind will race around in my head for no apparent reason and I just squirm around trying to get back to sleep. It's a terrible feeling.

My dad told me he had issues with sleeping for most of his life. And I imagine it must be incredibly hard for him.

I don't really have a cure for this kind of thing either. But sometimes, when I do find myself wanting to go to sleep, I try to count inside my head. It's not a fool proof strategy, but it occasionally works.

I've counted up to 860 sheep when I tried that, it worked better than I imagined (always thought it was an old wives' tale) but I would still have random racing thoughts derailing my sheep counting.
(i originally typed "sheen counting" on accident, I'm going to try that from now on. One bloody nosed hooker, two bloody nosed hooker...)

 

[Pizza The Hutt]

Thanks, man. You gave me tha feelz hard here. Ambien was one of the hardest things to kick for me, I seriously can't believe it's scheduled so lowly when it's in the same family as Xanax. Did you forget the panini when you entered the twilight phase 15 minutes in? I've burned the fuck out of food before, literally I would be standing at the stove watching the skillet and then somehow time would pass by and my food would be charred black. Didn't even notice it.
I actually haven't had urination problems with diphohydramine, but it depresses the CNS so much that I would constantly drop things, same thing with Ambien, I shattered the screen on an old Droid a couple years back when it literally just fell out of my hand as I was talking on it, would drop my keys over and over when trying to open my car door, shit like that. Definitely not good. I think that's linked to drugs in the hypnotic class more than anything else though.
Do you take anything now to sleep?

Oh I know, its crazy how easy it is to get Ambien. I felt physically ill for about a week after quitting. I actually have NO memory whatsoever of making the panini but my roommate told me the next day when I woke up that he came downstairs to the kitchen in the middle of the night because he smelled smoke and found the panini press on and covered with burnt cheese.

As of now, I don't really take anything except the occasional melatonin and chamomile tea. I am between jobs and the semester is over with, so its not exactly important to sleep by a certain time at the moment. My normal thing to do would just be to stay up for 24 hours dragging ass, then crash the next day when I felt it was an appropriate time. Not exactly healthy but it worked.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Oh I know, its crazy how easy it is to get Ambien. I felt physically ill for about a week after quitting. I actually have NO memory whatsoever of making the panini but my roommate told me the next day when I woke up that he came downstairs to the kitchen in the middle of the night because he smelled smoke and found the panini press on and covered with burnt cheese.

As of now, I don't really take anything except the occasional melatonin and chamomile tea. I am between jobs and the semester is over with, so its not exactly important to sleep by a certain time at the moment. My normal thing to do would just be to stay up for 24 hours dragging ass, then crash the next day when I felt it was an appropriate time. Not exactly healthy but it worked.

Dude I felt like shit when I quit, didn't do tapering because I lacked discipline am a hardcore motherfucker and went cold turkey. The rebound insomnia was insane. I would go to work, come home, pass out for only a few hours from pure exhaustion, then start the next sleepless night.
Oh god you left it in the sammich maker? Your roommate saved your ass there dude. Fuuuuck that! The memory loss with that shit alone is not worth taking it. I mean jesus christ one night my uTorrent history consisted of Full House and Sanford and Son and I had no recollection of downloading them. I don't know why I didn't throw out my script right then and there honestly. Apparently my subconscious is a damn dirty troll.
We're both in the same boat now as far as employment, but I have one week left of class and I'm starting to hit the 36 hour mark with no sleep because I'm a major procrastinator and forgot to do a final project for Murican history on top of my other finals so I won't be getting any sleep tonight either. When the semester ends I think I'm going to follow suit and just stay up until I crash out and hope that fixes my sleep schedule. I can't keep taking more and more DPH to sleep, my liver is going to revolt and other organs will soon follow it's cause. Honestly staying up 24 hours and crashing is healthier than being a nightly hypnotic user any day of the week. Night of the week? I'm losing it, man.

 

[chimpburgers]

My insomnia comes and goes and it's more that I can sleep at a particular time but then when I wake up, it's extremely hard for me to be able to fall right back asleep. I even thought I might have some kind of strange circadian rhythm. Always been a light sleeper that wakes up easily to things. Taking melatonin for a while sort of helped and I ought look into going back to that sometime to see if it will still help me a bit for those sorts of nights. I also used to take sleeping pills for a while. The insomnia is at its worst when I'm really stressed about something or I'm doing a lot of work in a semester. Lately, I've been also feeling drowsy in the afternoons, taking naps and waking up with headaches afterwards.

 

[Pizza The Hutt]

Dude I felt like shit when I quit, didn't do tapering because I lacked discipline am a hardcore motherfucker and went cold turkey. The rebound insomnia was insane. I would go to work, come home, pass out for only a few hours from pure exhaustion, then start the next sleepless night.
Oh god you left it in the sammich maker? Your roommate saved your ass there dude. Fuuuuck that! The memory loss with that shit alone is not worth taking it. I mean jesus christ one night my uTorrent history consisted of Full House and Sanford and Son and I had no recollection of downloading them. I don't know why I didn't throw out my script right then and there honestly. Apparently my subconscious is a damn dirty troll.
We're both in the same boat now as far as employment, but I have one week left of class and I'm starting to hit the 36 hour mark with no sleep because I'm a major procrastinator and forgot to do a final project for Murican history on top of my other finals so I won't be getting any sleep tonight either. When the semester ends I think I'm going to follow suit and just stay up until I crash out and hope that fixes my sleep schedule. I can't keep taking more and more DPH to sleep, my liver is going to revolt and other organs will soon follow it's cause. Honestly staying up 24 hours and crashing is healthier than being a nightly hypnotic user any day of the week. Night of the week? I'm losing it, man.

Yea, I am the kind of person that needs to constantly be in control of my actions, so taking that stuff and having people tell me I called them in the middle of the night and having no recollection of that happening fucked with my head.

Staying up for days at an end and then crashing I found is only a temporary solution. You are good for a few days, but as soon as your body gets used to it you are back to the normal insomnia.

At my best, it seems like the only time I ever slept perfectly was when I was working a shitty job for Sears unloading semis. I got up at 5am and busted my ass for 8-10 hours straight, would get home and then go out with friends for a few, and be in bed by 10. Its sad to say but the majority of my problem seems to be a lack of physical activity, but I just feel too zombied out to go to the gym or something.

My insomnia comes and goes and it's more that I can sleep at a particular time but then when I wake up, it's extremely hard for me to be able to fall right back asleep. I even thought I might have some kind of strange circadian rhythm. Always been a light sleeper that wakes up easily to things. Taking melatonin for a while sort of helped and I ought look into going back to that sometime to see if it will still help me a bit for those sorts of nights. I also used to take sleeping pills for a while. The insomnia is at its worst when I'm really stressed about something or I'm doing a lot of work in a semester. Lately, I've been also feeling drowsy in the afternoons, taking naps and waking up with headaches afterwards.

Naps are the enemy, I swear. I can't just catnap for an hour or so instead its crashing into slumber for 9 hours.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Yea, I am the kind of person that needs to constantly be in control of my actions, so taking that stuff and having people tell me I called them in the middle of the night and having no recollection of that happening fucked with my head.

Staying up for days at an end and then crashing I found is only a temporary solution. You are good for a few days, but as soon as your body gets used to it you are back to the normal insomnia.

At my best, it seems like the only time I ever slept perfectly was when I was working a shitty job for Sears unloading semis. I got up at 5am and busted my ass for 8-10 hours straight, would get home and then go out with friends for a few, and be in bed by 10. Its sad to say but the majority of my problem seems to be a lack of physical activity, but I just feel too zombied out to go to the gym or something.



Naps are the enemy, I swear. I can't just catnap for an hour or so instead its crashing into slumber for 9 hours.

Oh yeah, having a physically demanding job like that will definitely help you sleep better. I had a cushy office job during my tango with Ambien, then after work sat around drinking with friends (which is also fucking great for sleeping only not really because you can't enter REM when you're drunk, yeah I was a retard when I was younger). Unfortunately, even now when most of my day is spent outdoors hiking/fishing/being grizzly adams I still lay awake at night wondering the name of that one actor from that one movie I saw when I was 16 and other questions that showcase the pinnacle of human thought. I don't know if it's because my body built up a tolerance to DPH and now I'm experiencing rebound insomnia yet again, maybe?

Also, in relation to the staying up for days, crashing, and resetting, I find it odd that the human body can just reset after days of no sleep. Same thing just happened to me, I was exhausted about 2 hours ago, midnight rolled around and BAM, I'm wide awake again. I wonder if it's linked to some sort of misfiring of natural melatonin/circadian rhythm disorder. I would say you should get out no matter what and get some physical activity in, but my god, I know exactly what it feels like to be a zombie, so fatigued but yet unable to sleep. The concoctions I take to wake up are just as extensive as the ones I use to sleep. It's a tough set of cards at times to play, and insomnia affects all areas of life more than a lot of people realize.

Edit to avoid doublepoast:

My insomnia comes and goes and it's more that I can sleep at a particular time but then when I wake up, it's extremely hard for me to be able to fall right back asleep. I even thought I might have some kind of strange circadian rhythm. Always been a light sleeper that wakes up easily to things. Taking melatonin for a while sort of helped and I ought look into going back to that sometime to see if it will still help me a bit for those sorts of nights. I also used to take sleeping pills for a while. The insomnia is at its worst when I'm really stressed about something or I'm doing a lot of work in a semester. Lately, I've been also feeling drowsy in the afternoons, taking naps and waking up with headaches afterwards.

Dude, drowsiness in the afternoons. That's seriously the only time I can feel like I can crash into slumber forever. I read that melatonin actually releases at 4 PM, oddly enough. Like @Pizza The Hutt said, naps are your enemy! I take them too, and always wake up feeling shitty and then stay up to 4-6 AM because of it.
I hear you about being stressed and having that induce insomnia. Usually I don't have shit to do, I can sleep like a babby, at a normal time (which is like one AM for me but whatever) but when I have class the next day or a project or even getting up early to go fishing, I can't fucking sleep. This is kind of the same idea as performance anxiety I think. The mind knows it needs to do something, so it self sabotages.
We are strange creatures.

 

[yasscat]

I am on two different medications for insomnia...and I still find myself unable to fall asleep until 5 or 6 am some nights. (Which is super fun on days when I have to be up at 8 am for work.) Elavil is fantastic, because it works for preventing my migraines (at least, it used to) and insomnia (usually), but jesus christ, I need it to be better at the insomnia thing...because my primary migraine trigger is not fucking sleeping well.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

I am on two different medications for insomnia...and I still find myself unable to fall asleep until 5 or 6 am some nights. (Which is super fun on days when I have to be up at 8 am for work.) Elavil is fantastic, because it works for preventing my migraines (at least, it used to) and insomnia (usually), but jesus christ, I need it to be better at the insomnia thing...because my primary migraine trigger is not fucking sleeping well.

Have you heard of Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder? Basically the circadian rhythm is messed up and your body perceives 4-6 AM as a normal time to go to sleep. It's a pain in the ass (I haven't been diagnosed with it, just overall "insomnia", but I feel this fits me like OJ's glove so I feel your pain ) and there's not really a cure for it. I'm guessing you've already tried melatonin to wire your brain to become tired at a normal time, to no avail?
Not going to lie, totally thought Elavil was an 80's medication because the only time I've heard anything extensive about it was in American Psycho (the novel only I think). I feel really silly now. There's my daily dose of autism.

 

[yasscat]

Have you heard of Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder? Basically the circadian rhythm is messed up and your body perceives 4-6 AM as a normal time to go to sleep. It's a pain in the ass (I haven't been diagnosed with it, just overall "insomnia", but I feel this fits me like OJ's glove so I feel your pain ) and there's not really a cure for it. I'm guessing you've already tried melatonin to wire your brain to become tired at a normal time, to no avail?
Not going to lie, totally thought Elavil was an 80's medication because the only time I've heard anything extensive about it was in American Psycho (the novel only I think). I feel really silly now. There's my daily dose of autism.

Yeah...I'm not sure that fits me either because it's not always that bad...it has been consistently severe recently, but that's because I'm dealing with some shit. I've actually had insomnia since I was around 11 (I'm 23 now), so I've tried a lot. Melatonin was one of the first things we tried...sadly it didn't help much. I actually started the Elavil for migraine prevention back in.....ffffff I wanna say 2009, 2010 ish? It was my sophomore year of college. It's an SSRI anti-depressant, but its secondary/second most common use is for migraine prevention/treatment, then insomnia (usually this was more of a side effect than anything else, up until recently).

Sorry for sperging (will accept any autism ratings)...I majored in psychopharmacology/neuro-psych in undergrad, so I nerd out about this shit.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Yeah...I'm not sure that fits me either because it's not always that bad...it has been consistently severe recently, but that's because I'm dealing with some shit. I've actually had insomnia since I was around 11 (I'm 23 now), so I've tried a lot. Melatonin was one of the first things we tried...sadly it didn't help much. I actually started the Elavil for migraine prevention back in.....ffffff I wanna say 2009, 2010 ish? It was my sophomore year of college. It's an SSRI anti-depressant, but its secondary/second most common use is for migraine prevention/treatment, then insomnia (usually this was more of a side effect than anything else, up until recently).

Sorry for sperging (will accept any autism ratings)...I majored in psychopharmacology/neuro-psych in undergrad, so I nerd out about this shit.

Ah, so it's more situational then? Insomnia as a reaction to stress?
I looked it up because I remember googling it while reading AP and seeing it was an SSRI, but then realized it's secondary purpose was for pain. Didn't know that.
No autism ratings will be given here. I'm an extremely boring business admin undergrad but I started in biomed and always had (and always will) a burning passion to learn all that I can about psychopharm. Too bad I fucking SUCKED at chemistry or I might still be studying it officially and not just a hobby.
totally not jealous of your degree in anyway

 

[yasscat]

Ah, so it's more situational then? Insomnia as a reaction to stress?
I looked it up because I remember googling it while reading AP and seeing it was an SSRI, but then realized it's secondary purpose was for pain. Didn't know that.
No autism ratings will be given here. I'm an extremely boring business admin undergrad but I started in biomed and always had (and always will) a burning passion to learn all that I can about psychopharm. Too bad I fucking SUCKED at chemistry or I might still be studying it officially and not just a hobby.
totally not jealous of your degree in anyway

Kiiiind of. Sometimes brought on by stress, sometimes brought on by me forgetting my meds (Elavil and others), sometimes brought on by my brain just being a troll piece of shit.
Elavil is an interesting medication. I find drugs such as it, where its primary/intended use isn't actually very common anymore, fascinating. Such as Depakote--originally developed to treat epilepsy (I can't remember if it's for prevention or treatment), now currently more widely used for bi-polar disorder management, migraine management, and sometimes management of eating disorder symptoms (weight gain is one of the most common side effects)--and Topomax--another anti-epileptic that is actually more commonly used for migraine prevention than its original, intended use--absolutely fascinating. purpose (for lack of a better term) drugs are just so intriguing and I WANT TO KNOW HOW AND WHY THEY WORK THAT WAY, DAMMIT.

I actually studied it more from the psychology side, but my mom has MS, so...I guess you could say I came into the game already knowing way too much about neurology and how medications work with the brain.

(Fun fact: I am now a law student. And still accepting autistic ratings. Again,sorry for sperging out. I just could talk forever about psychopharm/neuropsych.)

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Kiiiind of. Sometimes brought on by stress, sometimes brought on by me forgetting my meds (Elavil and others), sometimes brought on by my brain just being a troll piece of shit.
Elavil is an interesting medication. I find drugs such as it, where its primary/intended use isn't actually very common anymore, fascinating. Such as Depakote--originally developed to treat epilepsy (I can't remember if it's for prevention or treatment), now currently more widely used for bi-polar disorder management, migraine management, and sometimes management of eating disorder symptoms (weight gain is one of the most common side effects)--and Topomax--another anti-epileptic that is actually more commonly used for migraine prevention than its original, intended use--absolutely fascinating. purpose (for lack of a better term) drugs are just so intriguing and I WANT TO KNOW HOW AND WHY THEY WORK THAT WAY, DAMMIT.

I actually studied it more from the psychology side, but my mom has MS, so...I guess you could say I came into the game already knowing way too much about neurology and how medications work with the brain.

(Fun fact: I am now a law student. And still accepting autistic ratings. Again,sorry for sperging out. I just could talk forever about psychopharm/neuropsych.)

I absolutely feel you on how interesting drugs' mechanisms of actions are. When I can't sleep I'll think of some random medication and research how they work, gives me a massive dopamine rush because THE MOAR YOU KNOW. My personal favorite, I know I've probably typed Ambien 23,000 times on this thread but, when reading it's mechanism of action and finding out that researches still don't know how it affects the brain entirely. Yeah, there's that rush of GABA after 15 minutes which is similar to Xanax, it's in the same family as Xanax, yet doesn't harbor the psychological and physical withdrawal that accompanies Xanax, and there's kind of a big question mark as to why that is. Hypnotics in particular always really interested me not only because I'm a massive insomniac and they're part of my life but also the brainwashing effects that can be associated with them. It fascinates the fuck out of me that you can peel apart that first layer of consciousness and still be completely cognitively aware of your surroundings in your subconscious. Not the best example but fuck it: after 15 minutes and being technically asleep on Ambien, an ex from years ago texted me, I blacklisted them, deleted the text and went to sleep. It took a week or so, but I was talking with friends and ex's name got brought up, and I couldn't shake this feeling that I had been contacted by them, although there was no evidence of it. Sometime later I was checking my blocked list and saw a number in there that I didn't recognize, all of the sudden I get this intense feeling that I knew what had happened but couldn't connect point A to point B, but eventually pieced it together. All through this, my subconscious knew that I had received a text, blocked it and moved on, but my conscious was oblivious to it. Anyway, point of the story is that it intrigues me that hypnotics can be used in therapy (although considered quite unethical) or on the opposite end, in a cult, but either way it would be incredibly easy to plant idea's in one's subconscious using hypnotics and make them think their ideas were their own, and it wouldn't even need to have increasingly loud background music and Leonardo DiCaprio. That joke was lame. I apologize.

Holy rant, Batman. But anyway, yeah, I share your spergouts haha. On the psychology front, I majored in it for a year and a half but between a combo of failing psychological measures and realizing my true calling was to be boring while I working in an office, I switched my major yet again. Oh well, there's always grad school, right?

Random side note here but I think it's totally rad you're a law student. I'm continuing my education no matter what, but as far as in what direction, that's where it gets fuzzy for me. I've always been interested in law (more of litigations though, I've developed too many feels as I've gotten older for criminal) but I know no one who's been through law school so going in blind would scare the fuck out of me. Do you know what vein of law you're going to practice when you graduate?

 

[yasscat]

psychopharm sperging

See, reading that was kind of like porn to me. I miss undergrad so much.

Random side note here but I think it's totally rad you're a law student. I'm continuing my education no matter what, but as far as in what direction, that's where it gets fuzzy for me. I've always been interested in law (more of litigations though, I've developed too many feels as I've gotten older for criminal) but I know no one who's been through law school so going in blind would scare the fuck out of me. Do you know what vein of law you're going to practice when you graduate?

I'm actually probably not. I went on a medical leave of absence during my 1L year, back in 2013 (first to try and get my migraines under control, then I was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma, which is another whiney story for another day). If I pay back the loans I owe the school (long story) and reapply (because I was gone so long, I'd have to reapply, maybe retake the LSAT (lol fuck that), etc.), then I could return this fall, or next. But during my time away, I decided I probably don't even want to go back. Law school is hell. It's absolutely fucking brutal. I was actually focusing on constitutional law and legislative practice, so...it was widely known that I wasn't intending on actually going into law, or staying there for long. Politics is where I want to be, and I'm working on a campaign now, so I figure, why go back and put myself further into debt and be miserable? But if you want to do it, I won't discourage you...too much.

Spoiler

yes I will

eta, getting the thread back on track: literally didn't sleep at all last night. cool.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

See, reading that was kind of like porn to me. I miss undergrad so much.



I'm actually probably not. I went on a medical leave of absence during my 1L year, back in 2013 (first to try and get my migraines under control, then I was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma, which is another whiney story for another day). If I pay back the loans I owe the school (long story) and reapply (because I was gone so long, I'd have to reapply, maybe retake the LSAT (lol fuck that), etc.), then I could return this fall, or next. But during my time away, I decided I probably don't even want to go back. Law school is hell. It's absolutely fucking brutal. I was actually focusing on constitutional law and legislative practice, so...it was widely known that I wasn't intending on actually going into law, or staying there for long. Politics is where I want to be, and I'm working on a campaign now, so I figure, why go back and put myself further into debt and be miserable? But if you want to do it, I won't discourage you...too much.

Spoiler

yes I will

eta, getting the thread back on track: literally didn't sleep at all last night. cool.

I know there was a deep thoughts post on the LSAT somewhere at some time and I didn't read any positive reviews about going to law school. It seems like a lot of work to not guarantee a job (and don't you have to take another test after school, too?) let alone the preparation that goes into taking the LSAT. If you have to take it again...fuck. I don't blame you for not wanting to go back. I know I wouldn't.
Stay strong my fellow psychopharm sperg, through all of life's challenges. When life hands you lemons, put them in a pillow case and beat the shit out of life.

Aaand back to the thread: Fuck, not a wink of sleep last night? Did you take everything, and your brain was just like FUCK YOU? Maybe I stole your drowsiness; last night was the first time I slept all week.

 

[yasscat]

I know there was a deep thoughts post on the LSAT somewhere at some time and I didn't read any positive reviews about going to law school. It seems like a lot of work to not guarantee a job (and don't you have to take another test after school, too?) let alone the preparation that goes into taking the LSAT. If you have to take it again...fuck. I don't blame you for not wanting to go back. I know I wouldn't.
Stay strong my fellow psychopharm sperg, through all of life's challenges. When life hands you lemons, put them in a pillow case and beat the shit out of life.

Yeah...That and a lot of other stuff makes it pretty apparent that law just isn't right for me. Public policy...politics...all of that, yes. I love law, and the study of it, and I even work as a clerk at a law firm. (Yep, two jobs. TWICE THE FUN.) But law school isn't worth it. I'd rather self study law, since I never had any interest in becoming a lawyer anyway.

Aaand back to the thread: Fuck, not a wink of sleep last night? Did you take everything, and your brain was just like FUCK YOU? Maybe I stole your drowsiness; last night was the first time I slept all week.

Yup, sure did. Remember to take my meds, I mean...I think it's just stress+my troll brain being, well, a troll brain. Not a damn minute of sleep--I stared at my wall, ceiling, and cat, until I rage quit'd trying to sleep and decided to watch a movie. So frustrating. And I can't crash into slumber today (like I do sometimes when I didn't sleep during the night and don't have work) because I'm meeting up with some social justice bros. life is hard. And with that, I promise I'm done whining.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

Yeah...That and a lot of other stuff makes it pretty apparent that law just isn't right for me. Public policy...politics...all of that, yes. I love law, and the study of it, and I even work as a clerk at a law firm. (Yep, two jobs. TWICE THE FUN.) But law school isn't worth it. I'd rather self study law, since I never had any interest in becoming a lawyer anyway.


Yup, sure did. Remember to take my meds, I mean...I think it's just stress+my troll brain being, well, a troll brain. Not a damn minute of sleep--I stared at my wall, ceiling, and cat, until I rage quit'd trying to sleep and decided to watch a movie. So frustrating. And I can't crash into slumber today (like I do sometimes when I didn't sleep during the night and don't have work) because I'm meeting up with some social justice bros. life is hard. And with that, I promise I'm done whining.

Well I hope you at least got to watch a good movie through all of that, and crash into some deep slumber tonight
It sounds like it would be best to keep law as an independent study, then. Also, law clerk job= Daaaaaamn. That's a slam dunk right there! Fuck that, I wouldn't go back to law school either if that was my case. Ha. Case. Law. Jesus christ I should be shot.
Can you pull a Howard Dean during your campaign? I think it's been long enough where it's funny again without being topical. Might be a good career move. Catch the nostalgic vote. Bbbbyaaaah! I'll be waiting anxiously.