Insurrection 2021

[Hüftpriester]

lol, based mitch mcconell. who woulda thought?

 

[Random Internet Person]

lol, based mitch mcconell. who woulda thought?

Mitch McConnel has lost his Senate kingdom, and he’s willing to do anything to get it back, even presenting himself like a king in exile.

 

[OrionBalls]

I don't agree with it in this case, but I haven't read anything in the Constitution that states that you can't impeach a President after he has left office. It's quite vague, in fact. Maybe Rand Paul has a different version than the one I've read.

 

[Prester John]

Mitch McConnel has lost his Senate kingdom, and he’s willing to do anything to get it back, even presenting himself like a king in exile.

Anything except a $2,000 stimulus check.

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

I don't agree with it in this case, but I haven't read anything in the Constitution that states that you can't impeach a President after he has left office. It's quite vague, in fact. Maybe Rand Paul has a different version than the one I've read.

Jonathan Turley has a fair number of posts going through the arguments eg https://jonathanturley.org/2021/01/...ls-a-response-to-the-open-letter-of-scholars/

 

[mindlessobserver]

Yeah, I bet the fuckhuge armed crowd storming the seat of government with shouts of hanging the vice president on their lips, stealing documents and PCs, with the expressed goal of "stopping the steal" were totally peaceful and had no bad or undemocratic intentions at all.
It's kind of amazing how people on this thread use the incompetence of these fuckers as a get-out-of-jail card while ignoring everything they did, just to suit their own narrative.

All we need at this point is someone using a right-wing version of "This terror attack has nothing to do with real Islam" and glancing at this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if that has already happened.

Keep the salt coming boys.

When John Brown stormed the Federal Armory at Harpers Ferry, he was halted by troops led by US Army General, Robert Edward Lee.

Have a care when viewing immediate historical events within the confines of the moment. Today's fools and heroes are tomorrows heroes and fools. A terrible warning shot was fired on january 6th, and rather then take it for what it was, you, and the fools in washington DC, are content to just whistle in the graveyard, so confident that there is not a hole in the ground just waiting for them and you to fall into.

Now should be a time of introspection and addressing the very real fissures in our nation. Instead all I see are idiots who know absolutely nothing of war, assuming they can cow a free people into submission simply by waving around a badge of authority and empty claims that it would be racist to disobey.

Let's say we disobey. What will you be willing to do to make us obey?

I don't agree with it in this case, but I haven't read anything in the Constitution that states that you can't impeach a President after he has left office. It's quite vague, in fact. Maybe Rand Paul has a different version than the one I've read.

Impeachment exists solely for the purposes of removing a public figure from public office. Since trump is now a private citizen the legislature has no authority over him. If the democrats want to brand him with the insurrection charge, they will need to bring a charge of insurrection against him the federal court, and hold a public trial by a jury of his peers. Since he is a resident of Florida, charges of insurrection will need to be brought in the Southern Federal District of Florida, with a jury empaneled from its citizenry.

If they are unwilling to do that then fuck off.

 

[Prester John]

Impeachment exists solely for the purposes of removing a public figure from public office. Since trump is now a private citizen the legislature has no authority over him. If the democrats want to brand him with the insurrection charge, they will need to bring a charge of insurrection against him the federal court, and hold a public trial by a jury of his peers. Since he is a resident of Florida, charges of insurrection will need to be brought in the Southern Federal District of Florida, with a jury empaneled from its citizenry.

If they are unwilling to do that then fuck off.

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States..."

It clearly exists not solely for purposes of removing a public figure from public office, but also to disqualify from future public office.

 

[mindlessobserver]

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States..."

It clearly exists not solely for purposes of removing a public figure from public office, but also to disqualify from future public office.

Except federal courts can also apply the same standards. This is an issue of Jurisdiction, and which court has it. The Senate has jurisdiction as a court only for putting on trial agents of the United states. Not private citizens. If the House of Representatives is this concerned about Trump holding office again, they can refer what happened to the Attorney General and bring these same charges in the Federal Court of South Florida, which is the proper jurisdiction for trying a resident of Palm Beach County for federal crimes. If it is such a slam dunk then I am sure you need not fear the district magistrate dismissing for lack of evidence or the loyal citizens of florida finding not guilty.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

When John Brown stormed the Federal Armory at Harpers Ferry, he was halted by troops led by US Army General, Robert Edward Lee.

Have a care when viewing immediate historical events within the confines of the moment. Today's fools and heroes are tomorrows heroes and fools. A terrible warning shot was fired on january 6th, and rather then take it for what it was, you, and the fools in washington DC, are content to just whistle in the graveyard, so confident that there is not a hole in the ground just waiting for them and you to fall into.

Now should be a time of introspection and addressing the very real fissures in our nation. Instead all I see are idiots who know absolutely nothing of war, assuming they can cow a free people into submission simply by waving around a badge of authority and empty claims that it would be racist to disobey.

Let's say we disobey. What will you be willing to do to make us obey?

I am pretty confident that Boomers LARPing as saviors of the nation by committing a bunch of felonies, just to sit in Pelosi's chair and taking selfies, will be seen as exactly the kind of fool that they are. I doubt any future admisitration will take this failed attempt to overthrow democratic procedure for petty delusions and declare it a justified act of rebellion or a glorious, noble defense of democracy.
And the reason for that will not be a supposed corruption of US democracy and administration in the future, it is plainly and simply that this was a completely idiotic endeavour by gullible morons to support the claim to the position of POTUS by a sore loser, who happily fanned the flames without thinking it might escalate or who didn't care if it escalated, until it escalated and he realized that this is not going to make him POTUS, before he virgin-walked out of the White House, not helping a single person that risked their lives on January 6th.

If any administration will ever attempt to vindicate these people, it will not be a lasting effect, unless said administration ends up establishing some sort of tyrannical right-wing authoritarian dictatorship, who for some wild reason will feel a need to enshrine Trump as some sort of founding father of their movement and the Boomer LARPers as a glorious movement to do what they themselves managed to do: Overthrowing the US Congress to establish a glorious new rule. So yeah, even if someone in the future vindicate these people, the biggest possibility is that it will be twisted and turned to fit a narrative, that has barely anything to do with reality.
And besides, this "you don't know, they might be declared heroes in the future! Who knows" has the exact same ring to it, like when Brad Watson talks about how "The Planet Nestor will be revealed to everyone soon enough and everyone will then know I am the second coming of Christ! It will happen in the future!".

 

[mindlessobserver]

I am pretty confident that Boomers LARPing as saviors of the nation by committing a bunch of felonies, just to sit in Pelosi's chair and taking selfies, will be seen as exactly the kind of fool that they are. I doubt any future admisitration will take this failed attempt to overthrow democratic procedure for petty delusions and declare it a justified act of rebellion or a glorious, noble defense of democracy.
And the reason for that will not be a supposed corruption of US democracy and administration in the future, it is plainly and simply that this was a completely idiotic endeavour by gullible morons to support the claim to the position of POTUS by a sore loser, who happily fanned the flames without thinking it might escalate or who didn't care if it escalated, until it escalated and he realized that this is not going to make him POTUS, before he virgin-walked out of the White House, not helping a single person that risked their lives on January 6th.

If any administration will ever attempt to vindicate these people, it will not be a lasting effect, unless said administration ends up establishing some sort of tyrannical right-wing authoritarian dictatorship, who for some wild reason will feel a need to enshrine Trump as some sort of founding father of their movement and the Boomer LARPers as a glorious movement to do what they themselves managed to do: Overthrowing the US Congress to establish a glorious new rule. So yeah, even if someone in the future vindicate these people, the biggest possibility is that it will be twisted and turned to fit a narrative, that has barely anything to do with reality.
And besides, this "you don't know, they might be declared heroes in the future! Who knows" has the exact same ring to it, like when Brad Watson talks about how "The Planet Nestor will be revealed to everyone soon enough and everyone will then know I am the second coming of Christ! It will happen in the future!".

Whistling in the graveyard.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Impeachment exists solely for the purposes of removing a public figure from public office. Since trump is now a private citizen the legislature has no authority over him. If the democrats want to brand him with the insurrection charge, they will need to bring a charge of insurrection against him the federal court, and hold a public trial by a jury of his peers. Since he is a resident of Florida, charges of insurrection will need to be brought in the Southern Federal District of Florida, with a jury empaneled from its citizenry.

If they are unwilling to do that then fuck off.

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States..."

It clearly exists not solely for purposes of removing a public figure from public office, but also to disqualify from future public office.

Except federal courts can also apply the same standards. This is an issue of Jurisdiction, and which court has it. The Senate has jurisdiction as a court only for putting on trial agents of the United states. Not private citizens. If the House of Representatives is this concerned about Trump holding office again, they can refer what happened to the Attorney General and bring these same charges in the Federal Court of South Florida, which is the proper jurisdiction for trying a resident of Palm Beach County for federal crimes. If it is such a slam dunk then I am sure you need not fear the district magistrate dismissing for lack of evidence or the loyal citizens of florida finding not guilty.

They’re just trying to hound Trump like a rabid dog that needs to be put down yesterday. It’s that glaringly obvious.

When John Brown stormed the Federal Armory at Harpers Ferry, he was halted by troops led by US Army General, Robert Edward Lee.

Have a care when viewing immediate historical events within the confines of the moment. Today's fools and heroes are tomorrows heroes and fools. A terrible warning shot was fired on january 6th, and rather then take it for what it was, you, and the fools in washington DC, are content to just whistle in the graveyard, so confident that there is not a hole in the ground just waiting for them and you to fall into.

Now should be a time of introspection and addressing the very real fissures in our nation. Instead all I see are idiots who know absolutely nothing of war, assuming they can cow a free people into submission simply by waving around a badge of authority and empty claims that it would be racist to disobey.

Let's say we disobey. What will you be willing to do to make us obey?

Honestly, all I’ve seen is some people talking about the pissed off sleeping giant that’s about to be awakened. And these are the same people that’d call you a spy guzzling nihilist if you think that we weren’t going to see the likes of Biden arrested and if you didn’t #TrustThePlan. And they’d expect you to apologize for doubting them once Trump got his four more years.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Whistling in the graveyard.

Dishing out Brad-Watson-tier future predictions.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Being that they didn't come armed and only slightly messed up the place it was effectively a warning shot.

Because if it happens again the next time they'll come prepared, they're keeping all the National Guard until March and even then the date can be extended.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Being that they didn't come armed and only slightly messed up the place it was effectively a warning shot.

Because if it happens again the next time they'll come prepared, they're keeping all the National Guard until March and even then the date can be extended.

And we all know, Trump will receive the TRUE and HONEST inauguration on March 4th, to become the 19th POTUS after Ulysses S. Grant.

 

[DeadFish]

They’re just trying to hound Trump like a rabid dog that needs to be put down yesterday. It’s that glaringly obvious.



Honestly, all I’ve seen is some people talking about the pissed off sleeping giant that’s about to be awakened. And these are the same people that’d call you a spy guzzling nihilist if you think that we weren’t going to see the likes of Biden arrested and if you didn’t #TrustThePlan. And they’d expect you to apologize for doubting them once Trump got his four more years.

Thre are some folks out there. Ex special forces.

But this goes to show conservatives are push overs and used to having others do work for them

 

[Random Internet Person]

Thre are some folks out there. Ex special forces.

But this goes to show conservatives are push overs and used to having others do work for them

If you wanna put it like that, sure. I just see it as still believing in the 4Chan prediction that was prevalent in the 2016 campaign.

 

[DeadFish]

If you wanna put it like that, sure. I just see it as still believing in the 4Chan prediction that was prevalent in the 2016 campaign.

What prediction?

No im saying for the low low price of at least 5 million dollars you might be able to hire some far right Mercs.


Realistically?
Lets say you do wanna play captain commando.

You would have to work over seas, ally with an anti American force and try to get the borders of the American empire to shrink.

Allies such as Taliban, Al queda, Iran, Russia, Syria, maybe turkey.

One trick iran has been doing lately is have dromes with grenades fly into oil fields as a means to embrass America. If america cant protect you then less people will care what it has to offer.

Even then working to get america out of non American countries via non violent means is the way to go.

Without world wide reach the power and thus the gain from being an American politician shrinks.

The first step is isolating america

 

[introvertedobserver]

I don't agree with it in this case, but I haven't read anything in the Constitution that states that you can't impeach a President after he has left office. It's quite vague, in fact. Maybe Rand Paul has a different version than the one I've read.

That's not how our Constitution works. It's not a "if it doesn't say government cannot do it, then government can do it" type of document. All of the reinforcements of that are found where it does get specific (these are restrictions on an over-broad/vague power being granted to prevent the Government from construing and arguing that because it has <insert broad/vague power> that power is unlimited which was a pretty big concern at the time).

Unless the Constitution says the government can do a thing, it can't do that thing, which is why every piece of legislation passed has to be able to be linked back to a specific power granted by the Constitution.

For impeachment it sets out an exhaustive list on who can be impeached by Congress by default, and "former officials" (or "former" anything) is not on that list, so the senate simply does not have the power to or authority to try former officials*.

And as if that wasn't enough, the Constitution explicitly prohibits Bills of Attainder (Article 1, sections 9 and 10 bans both the Federal government AND the states from legislating bills of attainder), which is what this impeachment is since Trump is now a private citizen. It also violates the 14th amendment's equal protection clause.

It's telling that Roberts refused to sit in the trial. Schumer downplayed it, but it's pretty clear the judiciary thinks this is a bunch of unconstitutional bullshit (and also totally defeats one of the pro-impeachment arguments outright - that impeachment was passed by the house while Trump was still in office, therefore he counts as "President" - obviously Roberts disagrees and even Schumer agrees that's not legit otherwise Roberts would be judging as he *has* to fill that role when a President is impeached).

* Technically the senate can hold the actual trial if it wants, it can do pretty much whatever it wants as its processes and internal actions are unreviewable by the court. However if they actually convicted, that conviction could and would be challenged in court as unconstitutional on multiple fronts. The "removing from office" part would be moot, but the prevention from holding office would be thrown out.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

So to be filed in the Not Shocked folder, the Proud Boys leader apparently is a Fed.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proud-boys-leader-was-prolific-fbi-snitch-court-docs

Now it makes sense why he was ordered to stay away from DC on the Jan. 6 Capitol day.

 

[Terrifik]

So to be filed in the Not Shocked folder, the Proud Boys leader apparently is a Fed.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proud-boys-leader-was-prolific-fbi-snitch-court-docs

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Now it makes sense why he was ordered to stay away from DC on the Jan. 6 Capitol day.

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