Law Internet Archive (Archive.org) sued over the National Emergency Library by publishers - Publishers: "Pay up"

Lawsuit PDF attached from the Reclaim The Net article

A group of publishers sued Internet Archive on Monday, saying that the nonprofit group’s trove of free electronic copies of books is robbing authors and publishers of revenue at a moment when it is desperately needed.

Internet Archive has made more than 1.3 million books available for free online, according to the complaint, which were scanned and available to one borrower at a time for a period of 14 days. Then in March, the group said it would lift all restrictions on its book lending until the end of the public health crisis, creating what it called “a National Emergency Library to serve the nation’s displaced learners.”

But many publishers and authors have called it something different: theft.

“There is nothing innovative or transformative about making complete copies of books to which you have no rights and giving them away for free,” said Maria A. Pallante, president of the Association of American Publishers, which is helping to coordinate the industry’s response. “They’ve stepped in downstream and taken the intellectual investment of authors and the financial investment of publishers, they’re interfering and giving this away.”

The lawsuit, which accused Internet Archive of “willful mass copyright infringement,” was filed in federal court in Manhattan on behalf of Hachette Book Group, HarperCollins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons and Penguin Random House.

Brewster Kahle, the founder and digital librarian of Internet Archive, defended his organization and said it was functioning as a library during the coronavirus pandemic, when physical libraries have been closed.

“As a library, the Internet Archive acquires books and lends them, as libraries have always done,” he said in an email. “This supports publishing and authors and readers. Publishers suing libraries for lending books, in this case, protected digitized versions, and while schools and libraries are closed, is not in anyone’s interest.”

But Internet Archive operates differently from public libraries with e-book lending programs. Traditional libraries pay licensing fees to publishers and agree to make them available for a particular period or a certain number of times. Internet Archive, on the other hand, acquires copies through donated or purchased books, which are then scanned and put online.

Mr. Kahle said that the group decided to drop lending restrictions because teachers were looking for more resources to help facilitate remote learning after school buildings were closed. Authors who do not want their work included on the site could opt out, he said. Some authors, however, had asked that their work be included, he added.

There is a long list of authors in the lawsuit who disagree, including Malcolm Gladwell, John Grisham and Elizabeth Gilbert. Douglas Preston, a writer and president of the Authors Guild, said in a statement that the “wholesale scanning and posting of copyrighted books without the consent of authors, and without paying a dime, is piracy hidden behind a sanctimonious veil of progressivism.”

The lawsuit argues not just against the National Emergency Library format, where books can be lent without restriction, but says that Internet Archive’s longstanding approach to book lending “seeks to destroy the carefully calibrated ecosystem that makes books possible.” Ms. Pallante of the Association of American Publishers said that aggrieved publishers had been weighing their legal options before the pandemic struck.

“Books have long been essential to our society,” the complaint said. “Fiction and nonfiction alike, they transport us to new worlds, broaden our horizons, provide us with perspective, reflect the ever-growing knowledge of humanity in every field, spark our imaginations and deepen our understanding of the world. Yet, books are not self-generating. They are the product of training and study, talent and grit, perseverance and creativity, investment and risk, and untold hours of work.”
 

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You know, it's bad enough we have all these extremist groups destroying monuments and statues and trying their damndest to remove history, but its even worse when people try to go after archives on the internet. If anything, internet history should be just as sacred and cherrished (if not more) as physical history
 
You know, it's bad enough we have all these extremist groups destroying monuments and statues and trying their damndest to remove history, but its even worse when people try to go after archives on the internet. If anything, internet history should be just as sacred and cherrished (if not more) as physical history
The attacks on internet archives will intensify once people that want facts to vanish without a trace start to really lean on archivers.
 
The internet shouldn't be putting up with these attacks by retards who think nothing of it. especially not by dumbasses who don't realize that hundreds of old books are next to impossible to come by. And I'm not just talking about how many of them are expensive as fuck, either.

If anything, IA is doing a service and instead of suing them like the greedy asshats they are, they should just work out a deal. But we know that won't happen because "All internet bad hurr durr!"
 
The attacks on internet archives will intensify once people that want facts to vanish without a trace start to really lean on archivers.
Internet archiving sites have long been a thorn in the side of dishonest journalists. It makes it more difficult to simply alter a news story without being exposed after a lie, dishonesty, or incompetent reporting has been found out.

Here is a relevant article: https://www.fastcompany.com/40450886/india-just-blocked-the-internet-archives-wayback-machine

Other news outlets in the US, too, have tried to block sites like archive.is or the Wayback Machine. I forgot which ones. I cannot think of any other motivation for attempting such a thing but dishonesty. Journalists and news outlets should be proactive about correcting errors and inaccuracies. This should be completely compatible with having the previous, uncorrected version available for comparison.

Google Cache doesn't really do anything substantially different, as far as I know. It's not just about the mechanism of having an archive site that many of those people have an issue with, it's as usual also about what organizations it's in the hands of. They don't appear to have an issue with Google doing pretty much the same thing, in many ways.

Dishonest actors hate not being able to memory hole their lies, 1984 style. They want reality to be whatever they happen to say at the moment, as it is convenient, and all traces of their failings or falsehoods should be erasable whenever they say. Their argument that it is about "fake news" is just as dishonest, as there are plenty of situations where corrections need to be made and we keep a record of previous versions, errata and the like. Any transparent publication has worked like this for decades. There are already well established mechanisms to find the most up to date version of a published work, so the argument they bring up that this can somehow be abused to link to false, outdated information is nonsense.

It's also funny when you think about what that means for them: They admit, implicitly, that their publication process is so bad and flawed that older versions of articles would frequently enough be wrong and harmful. But of course, we know that this is about saving face most of all. These people don't want to be exposed because inconsistencies are one of the most common ways to expose someone as a liar.

As for making scanned copies of (older) works available, isn't that also kind of close to what Google are doing? It seems that there are always two sets of rules, depending on what organizations we talk about. Organizations that explicitly virtue signal and play the progressive game seem to get a free pass. But maybe Google just has the better lawyers.
 
Yes, yes, yes, thats all well and good. But why are they allowed to make free copies of copy-written books available? Its obvious that they are in the wrong here and should stop doing that.

Why does the Anne Franke foundation keep fabricating lies about who wrote the diaries of a poor oppressed jewish girl? Oh right it's so they can keep selling it and making money and pushing propaganda. Oh actually her dad helped her write it, the foundation claims 80 years after the book's alleged completion, decades after the co-author father died, extend the copyright 500 years please.
 
Google books does the same, are they sued too?

Bah, put it this way: people have always gone to the library when they need to search for some reference and don't buy a whole book for something small. Same shit. A few stuff I've needed when doing some research, I found ie through google books. Some of those books aren't even available where I live, so it's a good thing.

Instead, they should sue the websites that actually charge you for downloaded a pirated book.
 
Why does the Anne Franke foundation keep fabricating lies about who wrote the diaries of a poor oppressed jewish girl? Oh right it's so they can keep selling it and making money and pushing propaganda. Oh actually her dad helped her write it, the foundation claims 80 years after the book's alleged completion, decades after the co-author father died, extend the copyright 500 years please.
I'm not sure which Google Books you have access to but mine only ever shows a few select pages unless its out of copyright or otherwise in the public domain.
 
Internet archiving sites have long been a thorn in the side of dishonest journalists. It makes it more difficult to simply alter a news story without being exposed after a lie, dishonesty, or incompetent reporting has been found out.

Here is a relevant article: https://www.fastcompany.com/40450886/india-just-blocked-the-internet-archives-wayback-machine

Other news outlets in the US, too, have tried to block sites like archive.md or the Wayback Machine. I forgot which ones. I cannot think of any other motivation for attempting such a thing but dishonesty. Journalists and news outlets should be proactive about correcting errors and inaccuracies. This should be completely compatible with having the previous, uncorrected version available for comparison.

Google Cache doesn't really do anything substantially different, as far as I know. It's not just about the mechanism of having an archive site that many of those people have an issue with, it's as usual also about what organizations it's in the hands of. They don't appear to have an issue with Google doing pretty much the same thing, in many ways.

Dishonest actors hate not being able to memory hole their lies, 1984 style. They want reality to be whatever they happen to say at the moment, as it is convenient, and all traces of their failings or falsehoods should be erasable whenever they say. Their argument that it is about "fake news" is just as dishonest, as there are plenty of situations where corrections need to be made and we keep a record of previous versions, errata and the like. Any transparent publication has worked like this for decades. There are already well established mechanisms to find the most up to date version of a published work, so the argument they bring up that this can somehow be abused to link to false, outdated information is nonsense.

It's also funny when you think about what that means for them: They admit, implicitly, that their publication process is so bad and flawed that older versions of articles would frequently enough be wrong and harmful. But of course, we know that this is about saving face most of all. These people don't want to be exposed because inconsistencies are one of the most common ways to expose someone as a liar.

As for making scanned copies of (older) works available, isn't that also kind of close to what Google are doing? It seems that there are always two sets of rules, depending on what organizations we talk about. Organizations that explicitly virtue signal and play the progressive game seem to get a free pass. But maybe Google just has the better lawyers.
Yeah, I'm willing to bet Google made them back down since for better or worse, they're the internet's backbone. I don't think it's got anything to do with virtue signalling or liberal agendas. Neither do I see these guys thinking Google's playing fair with them, but they don't attack because they know they'll be fucked both monetarily and in their reputation if they try to take down the giant and its legal team like they are attempting with the Internet Archive.

Of course, Google's also shown to be wildly incompetent with YouTube, and bowing down to the whims of advertisers, so who's to say they wouldn't do the same when some big publication firm tries to sue them. Either way, I see it as a somewhat complicated situation with or without any, or at least not a lot of, virtue signalling going on behind the scenes.
 
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https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/01/publishers_sue_internet_archive/
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On Monday, the Hachette Book Group, HarperCollins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons and Penguin Random House sued the non-profit, better known for its Wayback Machine archive of web pages, for copyright infringement: infringement they argued is “intentional and systematic.” The publishers hope to shut down the dot-org, we understand.

The Internet Archive invited the ire of publishers and authors back in March when it decided to lift restrictions on the digital copies of library books it has acquired and scanned. Anyone that registers with the site can take out any of 1.3 million books, the complaint states - although the Internet Archive claims the real figure is 1.4 million.

The Internet Archive is registered as a library but has asserted an untested (the publishers say “invented”) theory called “Controlled Digital Lending” (CDL), that argues libraries are not infringing copyright when they make digital copies of books they possess. Publishers and authors have been unhappy about this approach, but held fire while the Internet Archive restricted the number of e-books it would make available at any given time to the number of physical books it possessed.

That restriction went out the window in March, however, when the Internet Archive decided that due to the coronavirus it would make all its e-books available without a waiting list. That abandons the library principle of limited e-book access, the publisher's claim.

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Information Apocalypse. Over the fact publishers are losing out on a few cents of revenue. Fuck this gay earth.
 
That abandons the library principle of limited e-book access, the publisher's claim.
No it doesn't. At worst it's a library offering books without a card during a pandemic. This doesn't invalidate their theory.
 
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