Internet blackout contingency plans - Making sure Grug can still shitpost in the apocalypse.

[The Foxtrot]

Optical media doesn't use magnetism to store its data. Any magnet powerful enough to cause damage to the metallic layer in a DVD or CD from even a moderate distance would also yank the rebar right out of a concrete slab. Any EMP powerful enough to inductively damage the metal layer in an optical disc would smelt the iron right out of your blood and boil your brain in your skull. Re-writable optical media uses light-sensitive chemicals to generate pits and lands, which also aren't going to be affected by an EMP simply because of the frequency differences. They do slowly degrade if left under bright light, but that's a separate issue.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

 

[Mike Matei's Penis]

I would go to the local library lol, they even have DVDs and game rentals.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I don't think preserving the internet in the environment a tyrannical/dictatorial/censorial government is a viable idea. We have real world examples such as Cuba and North Korea, those people tend to pass around soap opera episodes on thumb drives. They're not interested in much else.

I hope-plan to live in the boonies, my nearest neighbor visible through binoculars. If I won a lottery jackpot, I'd even spend a few hundred thousand to bring in a fiber optic cable off the nearest trunk, my more realistic plan is Starlink. I can't share anything with anyone trusted (they don't live close). I can't use packet radio to set up something ad hoc (fixed locations are easy to trace). If I lived in the suburbs, it's no better... my neighbors are all jackasses, tards, and snitches. Even if I could dig a few copper ethernet cables under the ground to houses within 100M, none of those people are interested except for the professional informants.

 

[Squishie PP]

I don't think preserving the internet in the environment a tyrannical/dictatorial/censorial government is a viable idea. We have real world examples such as Cuba and North Korea, those people tend to pass around soap opera episodes on thumb drives. They're not interested in much else.

In those places, people never became accustomed to having internet access, and thus never became reliant on it. Your average mutt on the other hand isn't going to know how to do shit without having access to 24/7 on-demand information from the Internet. In a scenario where the Internet is taken down or made unusable, anyone that can provide even a fraction of that information will have immense value. Anyone who archives significant amounts of data will have the ability to be an information broker in a post-Internet world.

Edit: I am pretty sure I have mentioned this elsewhere before, but local AI text models are going to be a very useful as a replacement for search engines if the Internet is taken down. They are functionally a means of lossy compression for an extremely large amount of information; stuff that would take petabytes of space to fill in plain format distilled down to only 10-20 gigabytes. You can find info on how to run them in this thread here: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/uncensored-ai-chat-models.179297/

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

Your average mutt on the other hand isn't going to know how to do shit without having access to 24/7 on-demand information from the Internet.

This is unfair. Yes, such people probably couldn't even manage to bake bread without the internet. But there are so many things that you or I couldn't do without it either, but that we could with it. I remember when my mom would get the seed catalogs in the mail... and they'd have this or that exotic plant listed. There is very nearly no growable plant or animal that you and I can't order off the internet today. That we can't find (video and other) lessons on what to do with it online. That you or I might manage a little more than they without constant online connectivity shouldn't be impressive.

AI text models are going to be a very useful as a replacement for search engines if the Internet is taken down. They are functionally a means of lossy compression for an extremely large amount of information;

Yeh, I thought I saw that earlier in the thread. I'm skeptical of any sort of use for them. It's hilarious when a lawyer uses them for legal briefs and the model hallucinates cases that never happened, judgements that never happened, and some dufus sheister gets disbarred. But if you need to do some chemistry, I think you'd be taking your life into your own hands. Could you trust it to instruct you how to germinate the last of the seedcorn? The dimensions to cut the last of your sheet metal or brass rod?

The only thing the model is storing (lossy or not), is how to string words together in a way that sounds plausible. The facts are completely made up to suit whatever makes the best story. I don't know what breakthroughs they might make a year from now, or even tomorrow, but the current models aren't good for anything other than making cheap artwork.

 

[cybertoaster]

Starlink until they manage to jam it, then LORA and packet radio for that early 90's 28kbps modem internet experience.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

then LORA

I might be giving away too much personal information, but what the hell. Lora is the bane of my existence. Fuck Tektelic. Fuck Chirpstack. Fuck Lora. Fall in a well and drown, you lousy radio protocol. I would rather try to do Injun-style smoke signals than Lora-anything.

 

[Sperg_rancher]

I would rather try to do Injun-style smoke signals than Lora-anything.

Your post inspired me to to take a look at the wikipedia page, and after reading it, I see why it's a shitty protocol, is it hard to use though?