is being non binary just a reshash of the androginous culture of the 80s???????????????????????

[YautjaWeeb]

I thought Baron was kind of sporting that Depeche Mode 80's look with his inauguration drip. Could just be his NYC/European sophisticate lineage though.

Once he kills all his siblings in the middle of the night and predictably usurps the throne as is destined in all great houses and royal dynasties he'll look a lot less ambiguous.

 

[Dawdler]

No

 

[I'm Retarded?]

 

[THE SUPREME ONION]

The trannies were bad enough because they inserted themselves in the LGB community where they technically didn't belong.

they belong perfeclty they are all fags

 

[Guns of the Gaytriots]

Am I...old?

 

[Endless Torment]

A lot of non binary people are retarded and poisoned by gender identity.
They believe because they don't feel like a man/woman and have interests typically associated with the other sex they aren't normal.
When I wake up or go about my day I never feel like a man or think about it, I simply am a man, but they can't understand this.
You gender should be just a fact of life and not something you ever actively think about.

 

[Unpalatable]

The proposition of androgyny is that there is some amount of both or in-between to be. The non-binary whateverkin touts their rejection of normalcy, claiming they are neither of the only two things, so everyone else is left to ask "wtfs that all about?". That said, it's probably the same disruptive forces at work as usual and most of the participants are are exceptionally ugly attention whores.

 

[Scritti Politti]

It's worth noting that (Boy George aside) many of the musicians who engaged in androgyny--Marc Bolan, Martin Gore, David Bowie, Annie Lennox, etc.--had long term relationships with the opposite sex and had children. As someone said above, it was all fashion.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

No. The androgynous celebrities of the 80s (and 70s and early 90s) were not under the delusion that their androgynity made them something other than a woman or a man. They were well aware of the fact that having short hair as a woman doesn't make you male and wearing makeup as a man doesn't make you female. They also made some great contributions to 80s popular culture such as good music.

The "androgynous" gender blobs (who actually often don't look particularly androgynous) of the 21st century think that your haircut and clothes determine what "gender" you are, believe that dressing like a clown makes it impossible for people to guess your sex, and have only made shitty contributions to our popular culture. 80s kids had Annie Lennox and Prince, we get Sam Smith and Dorian Electra.

 

[The Forever Origin]

No. The androgynous celebrities of the 80s (and 70s and early 90s) were not under the delusion that their androgynity made them something other than a woman or a man. They were well aware of the fact that having short hair as a woman doesn't make you male and wearing makeup as a man doesn't make you female. They also made some great contributions to 80s popular culture such as good music.

The "androgynous" gender blobs (who actually often don't look particularly androgynous) of the 21st century think that your haircut and clothes determine what "gender" you are, believe that dressing like a clown makes it impossible for people to guess your sex, and have only made shitty contributions to our popular culture. 80s kids had Annie Lennox and Prince, we get Sam Smith and Dorian Electra.

On the money. 80s androgyny challenged societal perception of the sexes. Male and female are biological truths and determine your role in the reproductive process among other biological differences. Anything "male" or "female" outside of biology, such as clothing, social behaviors, etc. is largely determined by society, and that's where the androgyny trend rocked the boat. All-in-all, there was a logical soundness to it.
Troon/Enby stuff, on the other hand, insists everything factors into biological identity. The irony of modern NB/Trans stuff is that it tends to re-enforce the societal gender norms they seek to defy because they insist what you wear and such determine your sex, as such it is very binary.

irl, I present as very alt-goth. I typically have eyeliner on more often than not, and paint my nails. Are those things typically things that women do? Yes (though nail painting is becoming a bit more common among men). Does that make me a woman? Nah. I'm still a dude. Biology dictates that and have no delusions otherwise. I just think eyeliner and painted nails look cool. That's it. Nothing deeper than that.

 

[soup peddler]

Conversely, modern Robert Smith looks like a non-binary troon on the sex offender registry

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Conversely, modern Robert Smith looks like a non-binary troon on the sex offender registry

...and has been married to Mary Poole since 1988.

No, it's what everyone else has said (and I've said here for years): late 20th century androgyny bears zero relation to stupid enby garbage - or any notion that what you wear/ what you look like/ how you style yourself changes you fundamentally or means that you're fundamentally a different type of organism.

Androgyny, as well as moving away from norms of presentation, was a matter of both looking how you want to look, pushing presentation expectations, and presenting how you want. It was also often very SEXUAL [Bowie, Jones, Prince ffs...and Mick Jagger way back in the 60s ...and then you get into 80s & Duran Duran, whose whole RL and projected personae were BDE lady-killer types... (, still...just took a little trip down memory lane, whew)]

But whether it had to do with sexuality or general sense of self or just fashion, the last thing androgyny and gender-bending was was this constant tired, tortured, miserable, whiny, unhealthy, ugly confusion and commonness. It was unique and interesting, whether you liked it/were comfortable with it or not. Today it's elevating "I can't be bothered with basic health or hygiene and hoodies hide everything" or just "I like slouchy clothes" to "I'm magically transformed into and entirely different creature just bc I like pants and demand you agree with my fantasy and I'm getting the manager if you don't! " It's the opposite of style.

 

[Inside your walls]

Do not make me tap the sign.

 

[soup peddler]

...and has been married to Mary Poole since 1988.

Yeah, sometimes I'm convinced that Robert Smith is God's Specialest Boy and his life has been ordained in some fashion

It's just proof that the troon philosophy of what you look like = how you are is some kind of brain defect. Robert Smith and his contemporaries were genuine characters whose style arose from the time and who they were as people, not an artificial attempt to emulate someone they wish they were.

Your whole post is spot on. It was stylish, unconventional, sexy defiance of norms. That is completely out the window. Modern "androgyny" is just trying to cram a square through a round hole or just removing everything that makes someone beautiful.

 

[draggs]

no

the androgynous stars of the 80s were successful, fucked a lot of very good-looking women (and some of them, men too, yes), did way more and cooler drugs than weed (and they actually smoked their weed instead of whatever these zoomer faggots do these days), smoked with cigarettes too, could down 150-proof booze like it was water, the list of fundamental differences goes on and on

 

[Dyn]

irl, I present as very alt-goth. I typically have eyeliner on more often than not, and paint my nails.

Fag.

 

[KingNothing]

The androgynous celebrities of the 80s (and 70s and early 90s) were not under the delusion that their androgynity made them something other than a woman or a man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Burns

He also said that he always identified himself as male and never had intentions of being a woman: "It freaks me that someone could think I was a woman. Don't get me wrong – I love women; I love men, too, and I'm very proud to be a man."

 

[オプセック]

The similarities are moistly superficial. The androgynous style of the 80s was a fashion statement and not much more. It had an element of defying gender norms, but they would never dream of imposing on others the way the current group of freaks do.

It wasn't a fashion statement. They were defied for dressing like that. It's the other way around. What zoomers think is normal, like the pearls, the ear rings and the broccoli hair, would've earned you a trip to the hospital in some areas well into the 2000s.
These garish looking non binary freaks are more like punks, they want to provoke, but they don't do it by dressing hyper aggressive and standing their ground, like actual punks, but instead degrade themselves and snivel for sympathy.
I don't know what it is, but it's bad - as in a bad sign for what's happening with young people. The wigger scourge of 2000s was bad, emos sucked ass, but non-binary really did it. The system buck broke me and I'm proud of that, is all I am reading from them.

Epiphany rant:

Troon/Enby stuff, on the other hand, insists everything factors into biological identity. The irony of modern NB/Trans stuff is that it tends to re-enforce the societal gender norms they seek to defy because they insist what you wear and such determine your sex, as such it is very binary.

They're actual gender nazis, I just realized - everything is le biological destiny manifest to them - they're bio-essentialists:
Want to dress like lennox? Better get those boobs chopped for that gubbmint rubber stamp!
They're regressive in every aspect: Mentally, physically and politically - not actual progressives and def. not libtards.
Nothing liberal to find in this.
Boxed in like that, these gender-"queer" people believe only "transhumanist" butchery can set them free, because their mind already is a locked down prison, so the body must contort itself to their derangd whims - Don't even talk about trannys: Just look at them: Gluttony, Lust, Sloth, Rage - all manifest in the blue haired gender beasts.
Like caged animals chipping away at their skin.
They're just skinwalking progressivism, a real, progressive act was trump banning the gender butchery and protecting women.
Think about it: Sandniggers beat their women, buy and sell their women, maul and rape children, have them fight wars - leaving these crimes unpunished is the natural state of uncivilized mongrel tribes, but we are back on the high road again.
And he did it against monetary interests and against outmoded, but sCienTifIc beliefs about human nature.
I never realized how important that 70s and 80s fag stuff was and that they somehow, somewhere between then and now, lost an important culture war, the fruits of which we now reap.
Holy shit, I never realized the gravitas of all that retro lennox faggotry until now...
We should've listened to at least some of them, I suppose...
Press F for the lost genreation of non-binary hambeast and troon zoomers...

 

[Modern Audience]

For women it's to label themselves as special, for men it's to label themselves as "not a male" but not go all in on trooning out.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

the 80s artists were sex symbols, the current year batch look like PSAs for abstinence.