Is China at the source of the PC tech industry push?

[Y2K Baby]

I feel like we're derailing the thread here.

I feel indifferent to that fact.

 

[Secret Asshole]

This is my true worry. We're going to see content stripped and censored to appeal to a foreign market by greedy global monopolies who desperately want a piece of the Chinese market, who as we know, does not play fair. So even if progtards lose power, that doesn't really matter if China becomes the cultural zeitgeist through massive acquisitions. You're then dealing with one of the most powerful nations on Earth dictating our speech and freedoms.

 

[AF 802]

This is my true worry. We're going to see content stripped and censored to appeal to a foreign market by greedy global monopolies who desperately want a piece of the Chinese market, who as we know, does not play fair. So even if progtards lose power, that doesn't really matter if China becomes the cultural zeitgeist through massive acquisitions. You're then dealing with one of the most powerful nations on Earth dictating our speech and freedoms.

i, for one, welcome our new chicom overlords.

 

[Medicated]

This is my true worry. We're going to see content stripped and censored to appeal to a foreign market by greedy global monopolies who desperately want a piece of the Chinese market, who as we know, does not play fair. So even if progtards lose power, that doesn't really matter if China becomes the cultural zeitgeist through massive acquisitions. You're then dealing with one of the most powerful nations on Earth dictating our speech and freedoms.

Well we already know Blizzard basically has sided with China and it's companies after it chose to spit in the face of it's Western PC audience at it's own fancon.

The interesting thing is, I wonder if he speaks both English and Mandarin. Be handy to have a lead like that in the new China market.

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

this has kind of been sop in china, especially in the tech industry, for a while, only now the companies are bigger. first, they wait for a foreign entity (company, government) to develop something they're incapable of developing themselves. then, they purchase influence over that entity either for cash or for access to the chinese market. once they have that power, they can dictate how that entity ought to behave so that it won't exert a "corrupting" force on the chinese populace. eventually, this will lead to western tech companies being "sanitized" for non-chinese users, since once sanitized, there's a fighting chance they can gain access to the chinese market.

it's pretty devious and i dont know what will be able to stop it if anything.

 

[Slap47]

Would you say that China is still leftist, or centrist now? Or would you say that it's gone full horseshoe, and is now the most conservative government on the face of the Earth?

Communism has always been somewhat socially conservative.

The Soviets under Stalin despised LGBT and Russian Nationalism was encouraged. Pretty much every socialist government except the Khmer Rouge kept women out of power and encouraged traditional gender roles.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

It's not only China. Saudi Arabia is also very involved on media. If you ever take a look at Muslim twitter (not the ones living outside, but actual arabs or kebabs from their original countries), you're gonna want to bomb the middle east.

Communism has always been somewhat socially conservative.

Che killed gays because he and his friends believed the gays were degenerates. If people ever read about the origins of Communism, they're gonna be very surprised to find out how pro-family they were. I know some old-fashioned commies who absolutely hate anything related to progressivism or gender theory. It's only recent that you see many LGBTs who are communists, and it's not that communism has embraced them: they have embraced communism.

 

[XYZpdq]

This is my true worry. We're going to see content stripped and censored to appeal to a foreign market by greedy global monopolies who desperately want a piece of the Chinese market, who as we know, does not play fair. So even if progtards lose power, that doesn't really matter if China becomes the cultural zeitgeist through massive acquisitions. You're then dealing with one of the most powerful nations on Earth dictating our speech and freedoms.

the real bitch of it is from what I hear actually getting that great china money you get promised is difficult at best

 

[Secret Asshole]

the real bitch of it is from what I hear actually getting that great china money you get promised is difficult at best

Hopefully this turns out to be a trend so corps stop catering to it. Also, nobody but the Chinese government knows how good its economy is. It is pretty much thought to be a time bomb waiting to happen.

 

[CWCchange]

Communism has always been somewhat socially conservative.

The Soviets under Stalin despised LGBT and Russian Nationalism was encouraged. Pretty much every socialist government except the Khmer Rouge kept women out of power and encouraged traditional gender roles.

B-but that wasn't real communism, because it has never been tried.

Jokes aside, Lenin's Soviet Union was pretty degenerate, so it's no wonder why Stalin came in and killed everybody.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

This is my true worry. We're going to see content stripped and censored to appeal to a foreign market by greedy global monopolies who desperately want a piece of the Chinese market, who as we know, does not play fair. So even if progtards lose power, that doesn't really matter if China becomes the cultural zeitgeist through massive acquisitions. You're then dealing with one of the most powerful nations on Earth dictating our speech and freedoms.

Myspace, Digg, the list goes on of good websites that became shitty websites that then hemorrhaged all their users thereafter. The big appeal of plebbit is that it is the shitposting hub of the internet home to all of the most fringe, pointless & frivolous possible discussions imaginable. Smart move wasting all that money on what amounts to just killing a website you don't like because it lets people say things you dislike. But hey, good news is that it'll finally be moderated for once & who knows how much money they'll flush down the toilet just to achieve that goal. If it fails, which I believe it will, we will have slain two birds with one stone.

 

[Coolio55]

Myspace, Digg, the list goes on of good websites that became shitty websites that then hemorrhaged all their users thereafter. The big appeal of plebbit is that it is the shitposting hub of the internet home to all of the most fringe, pointless & frivolous possible discussions imaginable. Smart move wasting all that money on what amounts to just killing a website you don't like because it lets people say things you dislike. But hey, good news is that it'll finally be moderated for once & who knows how much money they'll flush down the toilet just to achieve that goal. If it fails, which I believe it will, we will have slain two birds with one stone.

The thing is though, what ARE the successors to reddit et al?

Myspace and Digg were outdone in an age where the web was still semi decentralized. Sites like Vidme tried and failed and sites like voat or gab are just cheap clones.

 

[Slap47]

The likes of Reddit and Facebook are set in stone.

What we need now is government regulation to protect speech. The spirit of the amendment was to have newspapers and conversations that could say whatever. It was easy to start a newspaper, now you need to have access to the big sites to have an audience. The internet being a censored hellhole dominated by a few corporations goes against that spirit.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

The likes of Reddit and Facebook are set in stone.

No they're not. They could go under tomorrow.

 

[Slap47]

No they're not. They could go under tomorrow.

You overestimate the reddit user and facebook boomer and underestimate the amount of collusion going on.

Startups don't have a fair shake to begin but losing access to money and payment services because of "hate speech" doesn't help.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

You overestimate the reddit user and facebook boomer and underestimate the amount of collusion going on.

Startups don't have a fair shake to begin but losing access to money and payment services because of "hate speech" doesn't help.

Facebook has been in decline.

 

[The Fool]

The likes of Reddit and Facebook are set in stone.

What we need now is government regulation to protect speech. The spirit of the amendment was to have newspapers and conversations that could say whatever. It was easy to start a newspaper, now you need to have access to the big sites to have an audience. The internet being a censored hellhole dominated by a few corporations goes against that spirit.

I understand your viewpoint but I have to disagree. Anyone who knows how to play the pipe just right for investors can start up a competitor. Twitch is starting to compete heavily with YouTube and they don't even provide the exact same service, which is why I think a lot of people overlook that form of competition. Not just because of investors, but because of cultural shifts as well. Facebook dominated MySpace because it was easier to use, which broadened it's userbase to the older generation who were just starting to use computers. Twitch is dominating YouTube because it's more streamer-focused and this is a stream-focused generation. It's all about how you use investor dollars to make a platform that's not just more appealing to use but more straightforward to use, and that can still happen. The issues with Vidme and friends is that they're not doing anything special, it's literally just a clone. Why would you ever pack up all your belongings to move to house that's identical to your old home in every way minus some minor plumbing problems? People don't just move to websites because they feel like it, they have to be tricked into going to websites. YouTube didn't have streaming, Twitch did, they got tricked into going there, now people use it exclusively even if YouTube has streaming. Even Rome can fall.

 

[Slap47]

I understand your viewpoint but I have to disagree. Anyone who knows how to play the pipe just right for investors can start up a competitor. Twitch is starting to compete heavily with YouTube and they don't even provide the exact same service, which is why I think a lot of people overlook that form of competition. Not just because of investors, but because of cultural shifts as well. Facebook dominated MySpace because it was easier to use, which broadened it's userbase to the older generation who were just starting to use computers. Twitch is dominating YouTube because it's more streamer-focused and this is a stream-focused generation. It's all about how you use investor dollars to make a platform that's not just more appealing to use but more straightforward to use, and that can still happen. The issues with Vidme and friends is that they're not doing anything special, it's literally just a clone. Why would you ever pack up all your belongings to move to house that's identical to your old home in every way minus some minor plumbing problems? People don't just move to websites because they feel like it, they have to be tricked into going to websites. YouTube didn't have streaming, Twitch did, they got tricked into going there, now people use it exclusively even if YouTube has streaming. Even Rome can fall.

As you say, Twitch rose because Youtube had dogshit streaming that was hard to monetize... or no streaming at all.. I forget. What exactly is lacking with the likes of Facebook, Reddit or Youtube? They're all established and the limits on free expression don't affect your average user.

Twitch and Discord didn't take over a market from a huge established player, they pushed in through a niche or had huge investor capital and an unimaginably shit competitor like Skype. If Steam had launched its new chat service earlier we'd probably not see Discord. Free speech is a niche but we have corporate overlords that hate that stuff. You need capital to run a site and not having any access to payment platforms is damning.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

What exactly is lacking with the likes of Facebook

Audience retention.

 

[The Fool]

As you say, Twitch rose because Youtube had dogshit streaming that was hard to monetize... or no streaming at all.. I forget. What exactly is lacking with the likes of Facebook, Reddit or Youtube? They're all established and the limits on free expression don't affect your average user.

Twitch and Discord didn't take over a market from a huge established player, they pushed in through a niche or had huge investor capital and an unimaginably shit competitor like Skype. If Steam had launched its new chat service earlier we'd probably not see Discord. Free speech is a niche but we have corporate overlords that hate that stuff. You need capital to run a site and not having any access to payment platforms is damning.

Shit if I knew what exactly to design to compete with a major social network don't you think I'd start making it?
That's a matter of social engineering and predicting the future, either that or just getting lucky with throwing shit at the wall. Isn't that how Facebook started?
There's no telling when or where something will pop up or what it will look like, but all it'll need is an exciting new feature and a healthy amount of marketing.
I guess it's trivial though because whatever replaces the current stuff will probably be just as bad.