Is Chris getting worse? - discussion about recent developments.

[blastoiseplushie]

I also agree that Chris' sex drive is low. He only sees sex as something that has to be done because that's what adults do, plus that's how he's going to achieve his God ordained daughter. I don't even know if he feels pleasure that same way most normal people do. He has exhibited that he doesn't necessarily feel pain and discomfort the same way we do; ie. dry shaving his ballsack chin and cutting his taint. That's not to say he doesn't feel pain and pleasure, but since it's common for autistics to have different sensory reactions he may have a low sex drive because it's not very pleasureable to him(along with his shitty diet and lifestyle).

Is it possible, you think, that Chris was really disappointed by the reality of his encounter with the prostitute? He never went to another one since. It makes you wonder if he's more pleasured by the fantasy of someone truly being into him and wanting a REAL relationship (the 'heartsweet from the Ground Up'). He's never had that. The only times he believed he was close to having it was with fake trolls (Bluespike/Julie, Ivy, Blanca, etc. etc.) and platonic dates or acquaintances who never requited his feelings. After years of this, he's probably in the mindset of giving up.

You read about the loveshy lonely men who go 'MGTOW.' Do any of you think that Chris' tomgirl/lesbian saga is kind of like his own strange version of 'MGTOW,' except it's the idea 'if I can't GET one, I BECOME one!' Then he goes out with the hope of finding that nice, female, caretaker/lover/mommy Barb-figure among the lesbian community. After all, non-lesbian, straight women usually have husbands and boyfriends! And if we don't, we want REAL men- masculine, adult-acting, socially likable ones with JOBS. Not ones like Chris.

Would this make sense to you? Or are Chris' motives not something to even bother with, and whoever's still trying to figure him out is just clueless and wasting breath?

 

[Marvin]

If he was hypersexual wouldn't he have seen more hookers since driving Mia Hamm away from the lifestyle? He's had the option and the money, but he hasn't taken it.

I believe Marvin when he says Chris' sex drive is low. Being an ardent believer in TV, Fatty is under the impression that a wife and regular fucking will fulfill something inside of him and give him complete happiness. It's not just the physical pleasure, it's the mythical fantasy of True Love (as understood by an imbecile). More than that, he wants a caretaker, whether he knows it or not.

Yeah, I never got the sense Chris sincerely is a poon hound. I think he's just obsessed with physical intimacy.

Chris fetishizes female sexuality. He reminds me of those nerd girls who are really into yaoi or slash fiction. Like, if you hang around nerds for long enough, you'll notice that there's a weird subset of nerd girls who are fascinated by gay male sex (and the romance that apparently accompanies it). The girls themselves are asexual. They don't want to have anything to do with sex themselves. But they just love to write about and obsess about Spock banging Kirk, or Light banging L, or Malfoy banging Harry.

Chris is kind of like that. He obsesses over female sexuality, but I don't think much of it has anything to do with physical libido. Admittedly, he does want to partake of it himself, but it's all in his head. I think Chris would be fucking stoked to trib with his taint, even if he gets absolutely zero actual action with his boomerang.

It's like 99% in his head. Not in his pants.

I remember a video, a long time ago, way before the tomgirl insanity, in which Chris actually states that he needs a caretaker. He is moaning about the Love Quest then says something like, "I need a girl to take care of me, what will happen when my parents die?". It struck me at the time as being surprisingly honest.

Chris regularly talks about that sort of thing.

 

[LoveYouLongTime]

Is it possible, you think, that Chris was really disappointed by the reality of his encounter with the prostitute? He never went to another one since. It makes you wonder if he's more pleasured by the fantasy of someone truly being into him and wanting a REAL relationship (the 'heartsweet from the Ground Up'). He's never had that. The only times he believed he was close to having it was with fake trolls (Bluespike/Julie, Ivy, Blanca, etc. etc.) and platonic dates or acquaintances who never requited his feelings. After years of this, he's probably in the mindset of giving up.

You read about the loveshy lonely men who go 'MGTOW.' Do any of you think that Chris' tomgirl/lesbian saga is kind of like his own strange version of 'MGTOW,' except it's the idea 'if I can't GET one, I BECOME one!' Then he goes out with the hope of finding that nice, female, caretaker/lover/mommy Barb-figure among the lesbian community. After all, non-lesbian, straight women usually have husbands and boyfriends! And if we don't, we want REAL men- masculine, adult-acting, socially likable ones with JOBS. Not ones like Chris.

Would this make sense to you? Or are Chris' motives not something to even bother with, and whoever's still trying to figure him out is just clueless and wasting breath?

He did go back to the same prostitute one or two other times after the first time(and also giving her a gift basket). Like I said, I think he just likes the idea of sex, as @Marvin has pointed out. Same with being in a relationship with someone, romantically and platonically, he thinks other people are there solely to provide for him. He doesn't want to put forth any effort because he's lazy and never had to because his parents never instilled any responsibility on him. Chris' motives are pretty linear because he's a simpleton. He hasn't gone back to paying for sex because that's less money for him to spend on toys. He wants to have sex to be an adult, but his desires of having toys is greater if that makes sense.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Chris fetishizes female sexuality. He reminds me of those nerd girls who are really into yaoi or slash fiction. Like, if you hang around nerds for long enough, you'll notice that there's a weird subset of nerd girls who are fascinated by gay male sex (and the romance that apparently accompanies it). The girls themselves are asexual. They don't want to have anything to do with sex themselves. But they just love to write about and obsess about Spock banging Kirk, or Light banging L, or Malfoy banging Harry.

Chris is kind of like that. He obsesses over female sexuality, but I don't think much of it has anything to do with physical libido. Admittedly, he does want to partake of it himself, but it's all in his head. I think Chris would be fucking stoked to trib with his taint, even if he gets absolutely zero actual action with his boomerang.

It's like 99% in his head. Not in his pants.

Chris regularly talks about that sort of thing.

"And for nothing more than the experience, you may give me a try in private. Protected and no penetration required. I have an open mind for what you may desire. traditional for the straight women. clit-rubbing and pussy eating for the lesbians. And any way for the bisexual women. Massages, making out, lots of attention and eye contact, and whatever else desired, for all Women regardless of orientation!"

Plenty of men fetishize two women having sex, the difference is that female Yoai fans have listening parties, viewing parties, and reading parties, and they don't go home and masturbate alone to the stuff they just watched.
Chris has admitted to masturbating to lesbian pornography and trying to apply it to the real world, not many Yoai fans do that. I've never looked too much into Yaoi but it seems like when you take the sex away, it's highly romantic, idealistic, climactic, where if you take the sex out of Chris' gross stuff, there's just nothing left.
Yaoi is so much more different than Chris' " I like Dykes, Dykes and China."
The big idiot also fetishizes adult breastfeeding and femininity in general, which is not saying much.

 

[Marvin]

Plenty of men fetishize two women having sex, the difference is that female Yoai fans have listening parties, viewing parties, and reading parties, and they don't go home and masturbate alone to the stuff they just watched.
Chris has admitted to masturbating to lesbian pornography and trying to apply it to the real world, not many Yoai fans do that. I've never looked too much into Yaoi but it seems like when you take the sex away, it's highly romantic, idealistic, climactic, where if you take the sex out of Chris' gross stuff, there's just nothing left.
Yaoi is so much more different than Chris' " I like Dykes, Dykes and China."
The big idiot also fetishizes adult breastfeeding and femininity in general, which is not saying much.

No, I don't think Chris does masturbate much to this stuff. That's my whole point.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

No, I don't think Chris does masturbate much to this stuff. That's my whole point.

Im still not convinced he's interested much in sex other than the intimacy of it. I do believe he's mostly focused on the emotional aspect which is why he always waxes poetic about sharing his "body and soul" with his sweetheart.

I think he just wants companionship, or at least what his warped perspective says is companionship.

 

[blastoiseplushie]

Chris fetishizes female sexuality. He reminds me of those nerd girls who are really into yaoi or slash fiction. Like, if you hang around nerds for long enough, you'll notice that there's a weird subset of nerd girls who are fascinated by gay male sex (and the romance that apparently accompanies it). The girls themselves are asexual. They don't want to have anything to do with sex themselves. But they just love to write about and obsess about Spock banging Kirk, or Light banging L, or Malfoy banging Harry.

Chris is kind of like that. He obsesses over female sexuality, but I don't think much of it has anything to do with physical libido. Admittedly, he does want to partake of it himself, but it's all in his head. I think Chris would be fucking stoked to trib with his taint, even if he gets absolutely zero actual action with his boomerang.

It's like 99% in his head. Not in his pants.

Chris regularly talks about that sort of thing.

Hmm, thanks Marvin. The "99 percent in his head" sounds as if Chris has a more 'feminine' mindset of sex than a masculine one. He wants security, commitment, a family unit to replace his aging mom- with sex just being the cherry on top. But the difference is instead of wanting to be like the 'wife' in a relationship the way girls hope for with their dream husbands, he'd rather just be the baby. Like a child "playing house."

You add his natural adult male sex drive, (fed by porn and stereotypes and fantasy, with the obsession for female body parts which IS a male trait) his more 'feminine' want for a family relationship, his 'child' mind and you get...well, what he is.

So, he's only had straight sex 2 or 3 times in his entire life, with the same prostitute- and she QUIT right after having him as a client? Ouch! It was probably his gross bad hygiene and weirdness, which he is too lazy and clueless to improve on.
It seems so simple. Take a bath! Groom yourself! Be funny (well Chris can be hilarious, but not the funny I'm talking about!) Be interested in the other person, instead of talking about Sonichu or Sonic or My Little Ponies ad nauseum. He will never get it. It could have been taught to him when younger, but that train left long ago.

 

[Marvin]

Hmm, thanks Marvin. The "99 percent in his head" sounds as if Chris has a more 'feminine' mindset of sex than a masculine one. He wants security, commitment, a family unit to replace his aging mom- with sex just being the cherry on top. But the difference is instead of wanting to be like the 'wife' in a relationship the way girls hope for with their dream husbands, he'd rather just be the baby. Like a child "playing house."
Then you add his natural adult male sex drive, (fed by porn and stereotypes and fantasy, with the obsession for female body parts which IS a male trait) his more 'feminine' want for a family relationship, his 'child' mind and you get...well, what he is.

I'd say that sums it up pretty well.

So, he's only had straight sex 2 or 3 times in his entire life, with the same prostitute- and she QUIT right after having him as a client? Ouch! It was probably his gross bad hygiene and weirdness, which he is too lazy and clueless to improve on.
It seems so simple. Take a bath! Groom yourself! Be funny (well Chris can be hilarious, but not the funny I'm talking about!) Be interested in the other person, instead of talking about Sonichu or Sonic or My Little Ponies ad nauseum. He will never get it. It could have been taught to him when younger, but that train left long ago.

The prostitute did not quit because of Chris. That's retarded.

Chris is not a particularly gross john, as far as sex work goes. Virgins like Chris are probably better business than average for prostitutes. They're inexperienced and will jizz themselves in five minutes. Then you're getting paid $150 to listen to them babble for the rest of the hour. There are way worse ways to make a living. It's not like Chris is making the prostitute eat his ass or anything like that.

 

[AnOminous]

If he was hypersexual wouldn't he have seen more hookers since driving Mia Hamm away from the lifestyle? He's had the option and the money, but he hasn't taken it.

You know, you could probably legalize prostitution and still stamp it out by just having Chris hire prostitutes all the time.

It's not like Chris is making the prostitute eat his ass or anything like that.

Especially if you had him do that.

 

[Marvin]

Especially if you had him do that.

Hey man, I might be a dick sometimes, but I'm not a monster.

 

[Jerkologist]

Spoiler: Before 18

Spoiler: After 18

Spoiler: After the Age of 45

Chris could have BPD, but he could never get a real diagnosis because of the very literal black and white thinking of autism that can be mistaken for BPD.
People with BPD also tend to be very good with reading people (socializers), and generic attention hungry weens don't count. It's more likely for a woman to be diagnosed at first with BPD, and after they exhaust all resources on trying to find out what's wrong, they usually find out they might have Aspergers or autism. This is not for all women with BPD or ASD.
I'm really concerned about the old lady Chris was spotted with at Omegacon; I don't think asspats and people that humor him can be the most helpful.

Everyone likes to blame Barb for Chris' ineptitude with socializing, but he had a father that should have shipped him off to a special school when he caught his son spooning with his wife. Do you know how sick that sounds?

The "Jerkorderlies"

 

[Jerkologist]

This does exist in the US, even in rural areas -- though I've only heard of it in deepest blue states. (This might just be a skewed sample rather than it actually not existing in conservative regions.)

I think a lot of people on this forum underestimate the culture Chris lives in. VA is definitely a swing state, and the fact that he's right outside of Charlottesville probably means that there are lots of progressives in his area. I bet that there are group home services nearby, or at the very least, out toward Richmond or Alexandria. VA is nowhere near as hillbilly as people on here claim.

 

[BurningPewter]

I was actually pleasantly surprised by his story of the hooker encounter, that he remembered her education plans and stuff about her kids. I thought he was more self absorbed than that.

 

[Iam]

I think that this obsession that Chris has with females in general is not just that he is sexually attracted to them, it's also that his formative years, of which he has such fond memories, revolved around a group of girls that were kind of him. The famous 'gal-pals' in high school were nice to him out of pity but compared to the way their male counterparts must have treated him, they were an emotional safe haven that he clearly misses greatly.

And I agree that Chris is not overly sexual, what he tends to do is express himself overly sexually and this because he equates every single possible relationship with a girl and being on the road to get some China. He seems to think that getting a girl to sleep with him is a process that includes some stages, culminating in the 3rd date sexual encounter that he seems to think must follow. The general operating system is that if a girl is talking to him, she is in some way interested in a sexual involvement, and no amount of her telling otherwise seems to dislodge this idea. Hence his groping 'dates' like the whole Catherine debacle.

It may even be that Chris sees sex as the basis or at the least the culmination of all interpersonal relationships. So he would avoid any chance of ever getting male friends because that could turn him gay. Friendship seems an almost foreign concept to him, gal-pals notwithstanding, unless it's the stepping stone for romance.

 

[BurningPewter]

I was thinking over the reasons beyond "getting him sex" for the trans thing. Like, his alienation toward other men and his own maleness hitting rock bottom, his natural feminine traits (soft body and high voice) making it feel comfortable, the fact he likes girly stuff.

 

[Marvin]

The general operating system is that if a girl is talking to him, she is in some way interested in a sexual involvement, and no amount of her telling otherwise seems to dislodge this idea. Hence his groping 'dates' like the whole Catherine debacle.

Catherine didn't really try to impress upon Chris that their meetings were not romantic. She took Chris on what amounted to a date and he responded in kind.

I mean, Chris was certainly awkward and gross, but it wasn't in a purely platonic setting.

It may even be that Chris sees sex as the basis or at the least the culmination of all interpersonal relationships. So he would avoid any chance of ever getting male friends because that could turn him gay. Friendship seems an almost foreign concept to him, gal-pals notwithstanding, unless it's the stepping stone for romance.

Chris is fine with having male friends.

 

[Holdek]

It's not like Chris is making the prostitute eat his ass or anything like that.

Would be funny if after 50 minutes of babbling he suddenly stops, rolls over on his side, looks back over his shoulder at Mia with a smile and says, "Hmm, yeah, it's time to eat my ass. "

 

[Todd Isded]

I can understand some of what is wrong with him(or is it her), the most interesting part about Chris is he was innocent yet morally inferior, now the years have damaged him, yet he is acting like he actually isn't a hateful spiteful, and arrogant person like he was as a kid, i feel for him, alot actually. I think he might have BPD (borderline personality disorder) in which case he would be asexual with an interest in women, when he is sad, and hypersexual in highly emotional or even happy mood swings, he has shown aspects of both. He hates men both out of competition and due to them also possibly having hurt him before, i believe he has a genuine fear of all men, and i don't blame him. Bob didnt sound to nice, even if he did attempt to keep chris grounded, Whereas barb and other women such as rocky tried to save him, Chris is trying to not be what he hates and possibly fears. I believe that is why he went from Chris chan to Chris-Trans.

I think he has alot more than autism, and if possible should try serious behavioral therapy maybe DBT alongside anything else. Autism doesn't make you into the person we see now alone, and honestly i can laugh at Chris-chan, but as he progressed and we saw signs that led to Christine, it gets less fun and more sad. I can't even condone trolling him anymore because his life is fucked enough. In all honesty barb dying could be the best hope of any attempt of recovery or repair, the older he gets the less functional he gets.

 

[stillscenein2016]

I think a lot of people on this forum underestimate the culture Chris lives in. VA is definitely a swing state, and the fact that he's right outside of Charlottesville probably means that there are lots of progressives in his area. I bet that there are group home services nearby, or at the very least, out toward Richmond or Alexandria. VA is nowhere near as hillbilly as people on here claim.

I'm not talking about group homes (which are definitely everywhere), I'm talking about an independent apartment living situation with housekeepers and social workers attached. That's becoming a more common situation for people who don't absolutely need the more intensive support of a group home.

 

[Scandihoovian]

It would actually be a blessing for Chris of he became rapidly and drastically worse. I mean, worse than pepper spray and blarms. This could accelerate the actual professional help he needs and place him in a permanent group-home setting.