Is Chris getting worse? - discussion about recent developments.

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He is not getting younger. He is advancing in his 30s, and this is the time of your life when you realize the bullshit you've done in your life is catching up to you.
When you decide to take things in hands, but your habits cannot be so easily tamed, so you take one step forward and two steps back.
When you are desperate to feel again, but you are dead inside.

So, I don't really think Chris is getting "worse"... just a different kind of "bad".
 
If Barb isn't a narcissist, she's certainly a very manipulative person, and that's rubbed off on Chris.

I'd say Barb is a full-blown narcissist. If you're in any doubt about this...
https://sites.google.com/site/harpyschild/
...this site should tell you everything you need to know.

He's talked about her making him feel guilty or making threats to get him to do or not do things that she wants.

This is really one of the saddest parts of the whole Chris saga. He obviously has enough common sense to know his parents are complete fuck-ups - though given the state of their house before it burned down, you'd pretty much have to be deaf and blind not to jump to that conclusion within a split-second - yet he's either been manipulated into staying with them and remaining the eternal manbaby (or 'golden child', in textbook narcissist terms) or he's just too lazy to get up off his arse and do something to change the situation. He's in a very deep hole and he just keeps digging.

But kids believe what their parents tell them, and Bob and Barb gave him mixed signals from the beginning: on one hand, he's "disabled" or whatever, and not capable of different things, on the other hand, he's "special" and better than everyone else. I think that's why he tries to play his autism on both sides of the fence, he brags about being high functioning and all the ways he's overcome it, but if he's confronted with a shortcoming, he uses the autism as the excuse. Because Bob and Barb taught him that.

Alternating between smothering the child with love and telling them they're flat-out useless is textbook narcissist behaviour.

Looking at those old school essays rescued from Chris's house after the fire was very instructive. Clearly the teachers knew full well that Chris wasn't playing with a full deck (to put it mildly) so they went for the safe option of 'if you can't say something nice, don't say anything' - with the result that Chris got consistently generous marks for essays that would have earned a slightly more able student severe dressing-down at the very least.

They made a conscious decision not to get him the help he needed, and instead use video games and toys as a babysitter and to keep them out of their hair. If Chris was born into a family that would have learned everything they could about autism at his diagnosis, got treatment for him, and most importantly, spent quality family time with him, interacting with him and trying to teach him how to grow into a good person, the outcome would have been much different.

Well put. I can imagine Bob and Barb thinking 'Well, Chris is happy with his toys and his TV, therefore we've done out job. We're good parents' - then wondering why their son turned into the toxic time bomb we're all too familiar with.
 
I think Chris has always lived in a fantasy world of lego, video games and toys. I don't think he's definitely getting worse, but I do think that the gap between that fantasy world and the reality of life in 14BC is getting bigger.

The situation at 14BC is getting more and more desperate by the day with Barb ill and debts piling up. And yet Chris plays with legos. It's a form of escapism, escapism from a world he feels he cannot win against.

I don't think he's getting worse, I just think he's staying the same while the situation gets worse.
 
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Also, the hoard. It can't be shrinking. And with winter coming, it can only increase in size. Is there a good chance of bio hazardous waste forming?

I'd expect it's being kept pretty warm at 14BC, so mold, bugs, bacteria, possibly even rodents... whatever Barb's medical condition, those things aren't going to make it better. Also, at her age a fall is a significant event and the hoard will most likely be pretty easy to trip over.

Chris could help Barb a lot by making the house cleaner and tidier, and insisting they throw out some junk. It won't happen, but it'd help.
 
So Chris knows that Barb's hoarding is a bad thing? Does this mean he'll clean house once she goes?
Oh, definitely. He drinks a lot of Barb's koolade about the external world all the time, but when it's a "just him and Barb" issue, even he can't deny it. He kind of reluctantly sighs and says "*sigh*:c yeh, my mom's got a lot of stuff she won't get rid of".

He'll try to clean house, but he won't rent a dumpster. He doesn't know how to. He might either try to leave a bunch of shit out on the curb, thinking the garbage men will take 30 boxes of crap without complaint. Or he'll throw stuff out in restaurant dumpsters, one car-load at a time, very slowly.

He first might try to sell a bunch of the shit on ebay, because he's bought Barb's story that it's all super valuable stuff.
 
after seeing his fapping video I don't think he has much longer
 
Oh, definitely. He drinks a lot of Barb's koolade about the external world all the time, but when it's a "just him and Barb" issue, even he can't deny it. He kind of reluctantly sighs and says "*sigh*:c yeh, my mom's got a lot of stuff she won't get rid of".

He'll try to clean house, but he won't rent a dumpster. He doesn't know how to. He might either try to leave a bunch of shit out on the curb, thinking the garbage men will take 30 boxes of crap without complaint. Or he'll throw stuff out in restaurant dumpsters, one car-load at a time, very slowly.

He first might try to sell a bunch of the shit on ebay, because he's bought Barb's story that it's all super valuable stuff.
So I am guess the same thing applies to him as well, did you see how badly his "work room" was hoarded, he even had a little Jack O' Lantern pail. Chris might think it's problem when compared to other normal people, but it looks like he has no real fucks to give and actively adds to the hoard himself.
 
I know a few hoarders and I am always shocked at how they live, you never get used to it unless you are a hoarder yourself.

It's claustrophobic just to look at. I actually feel bad for Chris having to live amongst it. Of course, he doesn't help himself by splurging on toys.

Even the stairs in that video had stuff piled down one side. I wonder how often stuff fell over and blocked the narrow passageways.
 
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So I am guess the same thing applies to him as well, did you see how badly his "work room" was hoarded, he even had a little Jack O' Lantern pail. Chris might think it's problem when compared to other normal people, but it looks like he has no real fucks to give and actively adds to the hoard himself.
To some extent he contributes, but not really in a substantial way.

Barb's issues are severe enough that she'd get diagnosed with compulsive hoarding. In comparison, Chris is a dumbass who basically keeps a messy room in a childlike fashion. Chris has a lot of crap, but there's a logic behind it. He has valid reasons for why he has his crap.

Another way to put it: Some grandmas have a bunch of little angel figurines all around their house. Those grandmas are spergy collectors.

And then some grandmas have boxes of newspapers going back 10 years and empty spaghetti sauce cans that they "might use to store, idk marbles or screws or something, someday". That's clinical hoarding and it's a serious mental disorder.

Barb's hoard is a magnitude more voluminous than Chris' collection of toys. If Chris had to have a roommate, for example, his room would have lots of stupid toys in it, but Chris would be compelled to store them within his means. But if Barb had to have a roommate, she'd either get into fights 24/7 about stacking boxes of her crap in the hallways, or she'd rent out a storage unit to store her crap (Chris is too cheap for that) or something.

And that's exactly what Chris and Bob dealt with when living with Barb.

Barb's fucked in the head. Chris is just a dumbass. (Well, in this particular situation, anyway.)
 
To some extent he contributes, but not really in a substantial way.

Barb's issues are severe enough that she'd get diagnosed with compulsive hoarding. In comparison, Chris is a dumbass who basically keeps a messy room in a childlike fashion. Chris has a lot of crap, but there's a logic behind it. He has valid reasons for why he has his crap.

Another way to put it: Some grandmas have a bunch of little angel figurines all around their house. Those grandmas are spergy collectors.

And then some grandmas have boxes of newspapers going back 10 years and empty spaghetti sauce cans that they "might use to store, idk marbles or screws or something, someday". That's clinical hoarding and it's a serious mental disorder.

Barb's hoard is a magnitude more voluminous than Chris' collection of toys. If Chris had to have a roommate, for example, his room would have lots of stupid toys in it, but Chris would be compelled to store them within his means. But if Barb had to have a roommate, she'd either get into fights 24/7 about stacking boxes of her crap in the hallways, or she'd rent out a storage unit to store her crap (Chris is too cheap for that) or something.

And that's exactly what Chris and Bob dealt with when living with Barb.

Barb's fucked in the head. Chris is just a dumbass. (Well, in this particular situation, anyway.)

I think Chris is just a spoiled child more than anything. Most people that horde toys, usually do a pretty good job of displaying them. They don't really play with them, they're more just a reminder of a happy childhood. Where as Chris's toys are just strewn about like a reckless child who never puts his toys away. I think Chris just has the materialistic desires of a child when it comes to owning/possessing toys. Also you gotta think most people only have brief window of childhood to collect toys in, like age 3-9... where as chris has had 34 years, and has the ability to get money he can waste on toys like your average 6 year old would if he was given a tugboat.
 
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