Is Chris getting worse? - discussion about recent developments.

[Rung]

Yes, I do believe that Chris is getting worse, and not at the horrible TMI body horror going on with the incest and the taint, but I do believe he's fucked in the head and its teaming up with his autism. Chris wants to be and believes that he's a woman, his delusions are so high and being fed by the local lgbt group that he truely believes that rubbing jelly made for actual women who lactate will turn him into a true lady. Chris needs to be checked out my a shrink asap or when Barb dies and hopefully gets the proper medicines to keep his mind in check and stop being delusional.

 

[Count Olaf]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris does not improve, he's never been getting better. His life is one big downward spiral, because all he's ever done is decay. Sometimes the downward spiral that is his life slows down--during the "Is chris getting better" phase it slowed down to a point where it looked like he might actually start going the other way. But he didn't.

The "Hello Lady Fans" video, which he put out right at the height of all the "Is Chris getting better" phase was a reminder that he was still the same old Chris he's always been, and the start of yet another big boost in his downward spiral. After that if I remember correctly he placed a boycott on Gamestop after getting that fake letter saying his ban had been increased to state wide or something like that, and then came the ebegging saga. In the months that followed he tried to organize a lesbian sleepover, tried to convince us that a porn star bought him a PS4 when he had gotten himself for a ludicrously high price, and THEN he got his pillow Waifu. Now, he has the taint wound that he believes to be a budding vagina, and that has sent his downward spiral into an absolute nosedive.

Honestly at this point, "getting worse" might be an understatement, and the worst part is there's still four months left to go before the end of the year. I can't even begin to fathom the amount of ways 2016 could end horribly for him. Maybe Barb will unexpectedly die, maybe Chris will be hospitalized, maybe neither of those things will happen but something else equally shocking will. Who knows. I have a feeling that no matter what happens 2016 will not end well for Chris or Barb. . .

but I can't wait to find out how.

 

[Tenacious D]

The trolls created a fantasy world where CWC was coaxed into being a weird as possible.

Chris' worst and weirdest behaviour was generally not solicited by trolls. For example, we didn't make him mace some random Gamestop employee. He did that all on his own. We didn't make him carve a "vagina" in his taint. He did that on his own too. He was waving his Attraction Sign and getting expelled from PVCC long before the internet discovered him.

There are certainly things for which you can blame trolls (e.g. the Bluespike fiasco), but even if the internet had never discovered Chris, he would still be a very weird creature who did bizarre and self-destructive things on a regular basis. It's a cliché to say that Chris is his own worst troll but it's true.

 

[Kumquat]

Chris' worst and weirdest behaviour was generally not solicited by trolls. For example, we didn't make him mace some random Gamestop employee. He did that all on his own. We didn't make him carve a "vagina" in his taint. He did that on his own too. He was waving his Attraction Sign and getting expelled from PVAC long before the internet discovered him.

There are certainly things for which you can blame trolls (e.g. the Bluespike fiasco), but even if the internet had never discovered Chris, he would still be a very weird creature who did bizarre and self-destructive things on a regular basis. It's a cliché to say that Chris is his own worst troll but it's true.

Even then with stuff like Bluespike, Chris is still at fault for being completely naive, gullible, and oblivious to what was another obvious attempt to troll him. If he had even the slightest ounce of awareness, he could have simply told Bluespike to go fuck himself and turned off the Skype chat.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Even then with stuff like Bluespike, Chris is still at fault for being completely naive, gullible, and oblivious to what was another obvious attempt to troll him. If he had even the slightest ounce of awareness, he could have simply told Bluespike to go fuck himself and turned off the Skype chat.

Unfortunately, it seems the only thing Chris will dedicate significant effort toward anymore is the impossible TV sitcom wife material girlfriend. And the thought of china to Chris is akin to how all the dogs in the movie UP react to a squirrel.

 

[Jaimas]

Consider this the polar opposite of the 'is Chris getting better' thread. For a while CWC seemed to be improving slightly. He was meeting people in gay bars and seemed to be getting out more. There was an attempt to make money online even if it was executed totally backwards. He stopped obsessing about blarms (at least visibly). Of course there was moments where he failed but the trajectory seemed to indicate he was improving or at least coping better. Then we found out about the taint infection and wanting to fuck barb.

What if CWC got worse? This isn't about wanting his life to deteriorate more but I am wondering about how he goes on from here. How can he recuperate from an infection he doesn't even understand didn't originate from hypnosis? (@Marvin said he gouged that wound out himself) In the past his delusions were strange but harmless mostly. They are now life threatening.

What does everyone else think? Can he get worse in terms of health or behaviour or will he just cope with it? Will anyone have to step in to help him like the state or Cole?

Note: I thought this was too specific for CWC general. If it isn't appropriate as its own thread mods can lock it.

For me, the ongoing slow-motion trainwreck that is the Vagina Wound undid any belief I may have had that Chris was improving himself. Chandler is an Ouroboros of Autism, without beginning or end. He simply is.

 

[PPowell4]

Yes, I do believe that Chris is getting worse, and not at the horrible TMI body horror going on with the incest and the taint, but I do believe he's fucked in the head and its teaming up with his autism. Chris wants to be and believes that he's a woman, his delusions are so high and being fed by the local lgbt group that he truely believes that rubbing jelly made for actual women who lactate will turn him into a true lady. Chris needs to be checked out my a shrink asap or when Barb dies and hopefully gets the proper medicines to keep his mind in check and stop being delusional.

Does anybody think the online medication is giving him boobs? They just look like man boobs to me that many overweight men get. Maybe if it isn't working that's a good thing and there's hope for him so he doesn't cause irreparable damage.

Even then with stuff like Bluespike, Chris is still at fault for being completely naive, gullible, and oblivious to what was another obvious attempt to troll him. If he had even the slightest ounce of awareness, he could have simply told Bluespike to go fuck himself and turned off the Skype chat.

Isn't a symptom of autism being naive and not understanding the intentions of others?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Chris is probably going to die soon and we'll end up blamed for it even though it is completely not our fault.

All the trolling and public ridicule is a major part of how he got to this point mentally. That said, Chris also went out of his way to ignore the advice of well meaning people and to alienate people in his life. He's the only one that ruined his friendship with Megan, nobody else, for just one example.

 

[Kumquat]

Isn't a symptom of autism being naive and not understanding the intentions of others?

I think it's less to do with his autism and more to do with his desperate, brazen desire to get some china. He should have learned the first two times his "sweetheart" ended up being a troll that online interactions were most likely with trolls.

Not to mention that for every "sweetheart" Chris has had, he's had numerous white knights try to get it through his thick skull that he was being lied to, and Chris denied and ignored any such advice. Chris' sweetheart cycle is pretty much like this:

>Chris finds some new troll boyfriend-free girl to stalk online.
>White Knights pipe in, trying to tell Chris it's a troll, he doesn't listen.
>Chris does a bunch of really stupid, insane, and creepy things to show "affection" for his sweetheart.
>The sweetheart is revealed to be a troll.
>Chris is "crestfallen" for a whopping two minutes before immediately being fooled again by another troll posing as a boyfriend-free girl.

And thus the cycle repeats. It should have ended with Blanca, but Chris is so desperate for female attention that he throws all logic and reason to the side for the rare chance that he might actually score. Even now, after his countless fake girlfriends, he STILL hasn't learned, as evidenced by his correspondence with "Sam and Ellen" and "Johan the Bully."

 

[JU 199]

Chris' worst and weirdest behaviour was generally not solicited by trolls. For example, we didn't make him mace some random Gamestop employee. He did that all on his own. We didn't make him carve a "vagina" in his taint. He did that on his own too. He was waving his Attraction Sign and getting expelled from PVAC long before the internet discovered him.

There are certainly things for which you can blame trolls (e.g. the Bluespike fiasco), but even if the internet had never discovered Chris, he would still be a very weird creature who did bizarre and self-destructive things on a regular basis. It's a cliché to say that Chris is his own worst troll but it's true.

Perhaps but it's more complicated then that. People don't operate in vacuum and neither does Chris. Sure, the trolls didn't make him mace a GameStop employee but they laid groundwork by indulging his fantasies. I'm not saying there's a direct connection but there is a correlation.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Chris' worst and weirdest behaviour was generally not solicited by trolls. For example, we didn't make him mace some random Gamestop employee. He did that all on his own. We didn't make him carve a "vagina" in his taint. He did that on his own too. He was waving his Attraction Sign and getting expelled from PVCC long before the internet discovered him.

There are certainly things for which you can blame trolls (e.g. the Bluespike fiasco), but even if the internet had never discovered Chris, he would still be a very weird creature who did bizarre and self-destructive things on a regular basis. It's a cliché to say that Chris is his own worst troll but it's true.

Chris does indeed make everything worse for himself. But at least in the beginning he was a sheltered autistic guy and people took advantage of his naivete and lack of understanding about social norms to push him in a direction that would end with him being humiliated in some way or revealing some sort of intimate personal information. It's gotten to the point that Chris is arguably one of the most well documented people in human history. His entire life is on the internet from his childhood up until today, and we fill in more of the blank spots all the time. Imagine googling your name and seeing that. Imagine embarrassing photos you took ending up on fucking TV and shit. Imagine being followed and harassed relentlessly by a bunch of weens. Imagine every time you meet somebody you find out they were actually fucking with you and don't actually like you.

For 10 goddamn years.

That would do a number on anybody's mental health, never mind a guy who wasn't all that healthy to begin with.

 

[GV 998]

Lol no. The trolls created a fantasy world where CWC was coaxed into being a weird as possible. What's worse? No socialisation at all or social interaction that warps your perception of what normal social interaction should be?

Well, I would say no social interaction at all in Chris' case.

Because with or without the trolls in Chris' life, Chris was never going to get out there and make something of himself. He doesn't even have the confidence to get even a part-time job. ( some of that might be a result of him being too reliant on his tugboat, and being employed can endanger that). So it really doesn't matter if his perception of normal social interaction is fucked, it was never normal to begin with, and it certainly wouldn't be fixed even if Chris had never dealt with a troll in his life. (How do I know this? Simply refer to the CWCki's page on Chris' ego. Chris believes he can do no wrong and will ONLY admit to wrongdoing and apologize if there is something to be gained from an apology. If he wronged you, and you have nothing to offer him, you can be damn sure he will make no attempt to redeem himself or even acknowledge he was in the wrong. So him admitting to bad, creepy, or even weird behavior wouldn't happen. It's him being persecuted. If not by the trolls, then by the JERKOPS and the Mary Lee Walshes of the world)

But it's not like the trolls were holding him back, or his ideas of social interaction were warped by the trolls. It was warped already. The worst the trolls did was just warp it a little bit further. Don't forget, Chris made the attraction sign without any troll input. He believed he could curse people with a "Curseyehameha" without troll input. These were all things that started BEFORE the trolls.

If anything, we've done him a favor. We've given him an excuse he will use for the rest of his life. He can't do anything because he "suffers too much stress from da twolls"

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

Chris is on his way to deep bottom. The financial struggles of his household is going to get worse, Barb is dying, he has not any profitable skill except being an exceptional individual so he can't get a job and save his life. He can't get better, the mistakes he had done since he was born is hitting him like a truck, he had an opportunity to scape this ending, but is too late.
The ride is going to get more weird and sad.

from what some have said, there are ways for Chris to get a job, but he moronically chooses not to. It is his fault he chooses not to adapt

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I think it's less to do with his autism and more to do with his desperate, brazen desire to get some china. He should have learned the first two times his "sweetheart" ended up being a troll that online interactions were most likely with trolls.

Not to mention that for every "sweetheart" Chris has had, he's had numerous white knights try to get it through his thick skull that he was being lied to, and Chris denied and ignored any such advice. Chris' sweetheart cycle is pretty much like this:

>Chris finds some new troll boyfriend-free girl to stalk online.
>White Knights pipe in, trying to tell Chris it's a troll, he doesn't listen.
>Chris does a bunch of really stupid, insane, and creepy things to show "affection" for his sweetheart.
>The sweetheart is revealed to be a troll.
>Chris is "crestfallen" for a whopping two minutes before immediately being fooled again by another troll posing as a boyfriend-free girl.

And thus the cycle repeats. It should have ended with Blanca, but Chris is so desperate for female attention that he throws all logic and reason to the side for the rare chance that he might actually score. Even now, after his countless fake girlfriends, he STILL hasn't learned, as evidenced by his correspondence with "Sam and Ellen" and "Johan the Bully."

It's always a matter of what's more convenient and positive to Chris. He doesn't want an unpleasant truth, he wants pleasant lies (and has said so himself). Even now, he's still talking about his "girlfriends" like some of them might have potentially not been trolls, merely cause he doesn't want to believe the truth.

If you had one person tell him "McDonalds food is bad for your health, you'll get fat and it's bad for your heart!", Chris would (at most) point out that he eats apple slices with his junkfood and therefore it's healthy.
If some other person told him Hamburgers are totally healthy cause there's salad and a slice of onion on it, he'd agree in a heartbeat.

And concerning his former boyfriend-free trolls, he fully expected everything to turn out for the better - mainly cause that's what he's been come to expect due to his mass consumption of TV junk.
Like, he was expecting (against all logic and advice from white knights) that the person that might be a troll turns out to be a hot babe and all is gonna be alright, if only he's able to put up with the weird requests.
See, for instance, the Bluespike incident, where he had to choose between his girlfriend -or- his PSN account.
He chose the GF and was completely dumbfounded that his "correct choice" wasn't instantly rewarded with also getting back his PSN access codes.
Why? Cause that's what would have happened in a saturday morning cartoon.

 

[Tenacious D]

at least in the beginning he was a sheltered autistic guy and people took advantage of his naivete and lack of understanding about social norms to push him in a direction that would end with him being humiliated in some way or revealing some sort of intimate personal information

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you to a point, but Chris wasn't some innocent naive sheltered guy before the trolls found him. Chris had serious behavioural issues before any of us had ever heard his name. His PVCC experience is very informative in this respect; no-one pushed him into screaming "CURSE-YE-HA-ME-HA!" at Mary Lee Walsh or giving her a lecture about true love (while pretending to be Sonichu, ffs!). He also got himself kicked out of his English class after throwing an epic tantrum because he had to read an "anti-autistic" book. After leaving PVCC, he carried on a weird feud against Walsh, drew pornographic pictures of her, made veiled threats, etc.

Even before that, Chris' behaviour was weird, destructive and anti-social. I mean, he got banned from the mall in 2005 for his epic NOOOOOOOO! and repeatedly got into trouble with various manajerks. All of this happened, as I say, without any input from external sources. Trolls have certainly pushed him into doing strange and gross things and they've humiliated and degraded him in ways that we can all agree are not funny and you're absolutely right that all of this crap must have done quite the number of Chris' mental health and wellbeing. But, even in the beginning, Chris was busy making a mess of his life all on his own and I'm not convinced that he'd be that much better if we'd never discovered him.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Perhaps but it's more complicated then that. People don't operate in vacuum and neither does Chris. Sure, the trolls didn't make him mace a GameStop employee but they laid groundwork by indulging his fantasies. I'm not saying there's a direct connection but there is a correlation.

Here's what we know about Chris:

- He has a history of inappropriately touching and groping women who manage to tolerate his presence.
- He once drew porn of a girl who wasn't interested in him to prevent himself from raping her.
- He had an emotional breakdown because he didn't receive an award at his high school graduation.
- He's been known to throw bitchfits over losing to children at Pokemon.
- He created a comic strip in which he and his imaginary friends brutally murdered people he didn't like.
- He attempted to place a 'curse' on the dean of his community college. He later drew gross porn of her.

Chris has always been unstable. The trolls may have prodded the hornets nest, but they weren't the first and wouldn't be the last.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

If Chris were to die in the future I think I might just break down and cry. I would actually be in mourning for this freak.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

I think Barb is riding Chris into the ground. She knows she's not long for this world and instead of doing what a loving mother should do in this situation, try to prepare Chris for life without her, she's just allowing things to continue as they always have and compiling more debt. As long as Chris does enough to keep her comfortable in her final years she doesn't give a fuck. Yes, Chris is getting worse, and the one person who might be able to help is kicking back and letting it happen.

I admit when I first saw chris, I didn't like him, but as I learned more about him, I started to lose empathy not as much as with him, but I am just hateful towards barb because she is the primary contributor to what we observe today, bob is second but he had some redeeming factors and for all we know he was chased by barb in that bar and mentally abused into being her husband

 

[Optimus Prime]

Perhaps but it's more complicated then that. People don't operate in vacuum and neither does Chris. Sure, the trolls didn't make him mace a GameStop employee but they laid groundwork by indulging his fantasies. I'm not saying there's a direct connection but there is a correlation.

How? The mace incident was the climax of the blue arms debacle, as until that point Chris seemed perfectly happy doing nothing more than slipping cheap MS Paint edits of the Sonic game covers into the cases (when not locked securely of course) - even the action of macing was entirely on Chris, since as the video showed he was already out of the store when he blasted a guy walking away from him, then promptly waddled off at speed.

While the outburst was of unpredictable nature, it is not unprecedented. Years back, before any major amount of trolling could accumulate, there was SheCameForCWC. And then he made it worse by repeatedly confirming he drew shitty cartoon porn of him and a girl who obviously held no romantic affection for him, because he claimed it was an outlet preventing him from throwing himself at her and pretty much committing rape by every possible definition except his.

Then there was the infamous meeting with Mary Lee Walsh - trolls couldn't have been involved with him wanting her to take messages from imaginary characters, or him actually doing that dumbass DBZ-curse-ya-whatever right in front of her.

Chris simply can't function in public even in situations where trolls are not involved.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Here's what we know about Chris:

- He has a history of inappropriately touching and groping women who manage to tolerate his presence.
- He once drew porn of a girl who wasn't interested in him to prevent himself from raping her.
- He had an emotional breakdown because he didn't receive an award at his high school graduation.
- He's been known to throw bitchfits over losing to children at Pokemon.
- He created a comic strip in which he and his imaginary friends brutally murdered people he didn't like.
- He attempted to place a 'curse' on the dean of his community college. He later drew gross porn of her.

Chris has always been unstable. The trolls may have prodded the hornets nest, but they weren't the first and wouldn't be the last.

Remember, there is no other troll than Chris himself.