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One thing I've noticed is that communist countries tend to be very conservative. Communist countries don't have gay pride, second/third wave feminism, sexual degeneracy, or state promoted racial self-hatred. Many countries went the opposite direction--for instance, although the USSR was the first nation globally to legalize abortion (1920), it also banned abortion for all but medical reasons in 1936. Romania's abortion ban was famous and greatly increased the birth rate. Cuba and the USSR threw gays into gulags, and it was widely believed that homosexuality was a creation of capitalist societies and aristocratic decadence. Today, North Korea publically claims a difference between homosexuality and the gay lifestyle, the latter being a capitalist product. And while communism supported feminism, it stopped at the "put women in the workforce" part of feminism.
Now yes, communism did have some sexual degenerates, especially among Western communists where many were/are openly gay or troon and groups like the Spartacist League (in the US) promoted NAMBLA and defended Roman Polanski. Lenin surrounded himself with degenerates and as noted, legalized abortion and homosexuality. But as a whole, degenerate behavior under communism appears associated with only the initial revolutionary phase. Once a communist society has established itself, it gradually erases these degenerate laws as Stalin did when he was in power.
A look at communist societies today shows a general support of strong public morals. Petty crime is harshly punished, there is minimal porn and sex in public, homosexuality is kept out of sight (except in Cuba which nowadays is by far the most liberal communist state), gender ideology is nowhere to be seen, and men and women know their respective positions in society. Communist states have also done straight genocides on minority groups like Chechens and Uyghurs, but also have had laws that banned ANY sort of ethnic hatred (which for instance if applied to the US would mean BLM and many Democrat politicians and activists would be arrested for hate speech against whites). The same is true in former communist states in Eastern Europe. Even the most liberal states there like former East Germany are still very conservative by European standards, let alone countries like Poland with their LGBT-free zones or Russia with the bans on gay propaganda.
In contrast, conservatism has achieved few long term gains and countless losses. I suspect the reason why is capitalism. Since conservatism gradually (in the 19th century) and then wholeheartedly (20th century, especially by the Reagan/Thatcher era) embraced capitalism, conservatism has been absolutely toothless. Because free markets dominate capitalist societies, the market will demand more and more people be incorporated into it. The market will create rights movements be it feminism, pro-black, gays and troons, etc. to undermine the innate moral resistance of people and fight them economically. Because communism doesn't have capitalism, or has it only under strict state control (i.e. China, late 80s USSR), communism thus has none of these problems.
For instance, troon rights are simply Big Pharma, plastic surgeons, and psychiatry trying to expand their market, and it was embraced by fashion/makeup companies, etc. to increase their own market. Another good case of this would be the Civil Rights movement, where once desegregation became law, there was little resistance by many business owners to keep segregating. The role of cigarette companies in promoting feminism is very old (the infamous propagandist Edward Bernays helped do so in the 1920s) and was done to "liberate" women so they could smoke like men did (incidentally, this campaign has been fairly unsuccessful in Communist China compared to marketing cigarettes to men).
So is conservatism just a losing battle against the tide of "progress" and communism better at stopping it? Discuss.
Now yes, communism did have some sexual degenerates, especially among Western communists where many were/are openly gay or troon and groups like the Spartacist League (in the US) promoted NAMBLA and defended Roman Polanski. Lenin surrounded himself with degenerates and as noted, legalized abortion and homosexuality. But as a whole, degenerate behavior under communism appears associated with only the initial revolutionary phase. Once a communist society has established itself, it gradually erases these degenerate laws as Stalin did when he was in power.
A look at communist societies today shows a general support of strong public morals. Petty crime is harshly punished, there is minimal porn and sex in public, homosexuality is kept out of sight (except in Cuba which nowadays is by far the most liberal communist state), gender ideology is nowhere to be seen, and men and women know their respective positions in society. Communist states have also done straight genocides on minority groups like Chechens and Uyghurs, but also have had laws that banned ANY sort of ethnic hatred (which for instance if applied to the US would mean BLM and many Democrat politicians and activists would be arrested for hate speech against whites). The same is true in former communist states in Eastern Europe. Even the most liberal states there like former East Germany are still very conservative by European standards, let alone countries like Poland with their LGBT-free zones or Russia with the bans on gay propaganda.
In contrast, conservatism has achieved few long term gains and countless losses. I suspect the reason why is capitalism. Since conservatism gradually (in the 19th century) and then wholeheartedly (20th century, especially by the Reagan/Thatcher era) embraced capitalism, conservatism has been absolutely toothless. Because free markets dominate capitalist societies, the market will demand more and more people be incorporated into it. The market will create rights movements be it feminism, pro-black, gays and troons, etc. to undermine the innate moral resistance of people and fight them economically. Because communism doesn't have capitalism, or has it only under strict state control (i.e. China, late 80s USSR), communism thus has none of these problems.
For instance, troon rights are simply Big Pharma, plastic surgeons, and psychiatry trying to expand their market, and it was embraced by fashion/makeup companies, etc. to increase their own market. Another good case of this would be the Civil Rights movement, where once desegregation became law, there was little resistance by many business owners to keep segregating. The role of cigarette companies in promoting feminism is very old (the infamous propagandist Edward Bernays helped do so in the 1920s) and was done to "liberate" women so they could smoke like men did (incidentally, this campaign has been fairly unsuccessful in Communist China compared to marketing cigarettes to men).
So is conservatism just a losing battle against the tide of "progress" and communism better at stopping it? Discuss.
