Is communism inherently better at conservatism than conservatism? - Communists doing something right?

[Shidoen]

They’re good at conserving the party and the state’s interests and assets.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

What's the point of funding destabilizing ideas if a country is already under communist control? Why don't soros types fund BLM type stuff in communist countries?

Remember what Bobby Fischer said. Communism is a mask for bolshevism is a mask for judaism.

 

[Safir]

The only reason why Stalin cracked down on degeneracy and reintroduced social conservatism was because of the situation America faces now: they couldn’t meet quotas for the military and certain occupations.

This is false. The "social conservatism" had to be reintroduced, and was reintroduced, pretty much immediately after the founding of the USSR (1922). As early as 1918, Lenin was demanding for prostitutes to be executed. (Prostitution was legal and widespread in the Russian Empire. Despite faggotry being a crime, male prostitution was likewise widespread because many young men were locked into occupations with no guaranteed pay and/or few employment opportunities -- sailors, students -- and had to whore themselves out. In the early years (I think 1917-1922? my main laptop died), STD rates dropped 40% mainly due to the prostitution ban.) The alleged degeneracy of the Soviets is a myth manufactured by lying sensationalist masturbators of the perestroika era deliberately misinterpreting century-old phrases and Making Shit Up.

For example, "the abolition of the family" as a slogan sounds pretty degenerate in Current Year. What it meant in 1917 was that religious marriage and the "patriarchy"* was abolished going forward. You didn't need parental consent, you didn't need a priest's consent, you didn't need to belong to the same religion as your bride, and you didn't need to allow your grandfather to rape her, shut up like a good cuck, and raise the resulting rape babies. Spousal rape was banned for the first time in history; it is thus fair to say that, previously, marriage implied rape, and a new, equal relationship constituted its abolition and would have to bear another name. Nevertheless, the name remained; the 1917 document is titled "The Decree on Civil Marriage". So no, marriage wasn't abolished. (Existing religious marriages weren't annulled.) By 1924**, the Soviets were already promoting the nuclear family. (At the time, Stalin was reportedly at odds with Lenin's wife Nadezhda Krupskaya, who oversaw family policy, and therefore he couldn't influence it no matter his views.)

* inb4 libfems charge in: the patriarchy, like FGM in Current Year, was upheld in no small part by crab bucket women
** inb4 "that's too late": we had other shit to do, the USSR was only founded Dec 30 1922, most people couldn't fucking read the pamphlets

Likewise, the myth that children were confiscated by the state and were kept in rape camps where they were forced to rape each other is also perestroika pornography. Children were wards of the state in the sense that caring for them was the state's obligation. The prevailing notion at the time was that raising other people's children was charity aka Not My Problem. For an example, look at present-day A&N, there's a lot of "abort niglets, let niglets kill each other, lmao natural selection" talk. The Soviets said, no, your taxes will be spent on raising orphans and children of shitty parents whether you like it or not. They promoted childcare services to get a boost in (wo)manpower, but family upbringing was considered ideal; instead of kidnapping children and raising them in [rape] camps, they promoted adoption of orphans by (father-and-mother) families.

(The orphan problem was only mitigated naturally: WWI, the Civil War and the globohomo invasion resulted in a lot of orphans, the hunger of 1932-1933 produced a new crop, and when those were coming of age, WWII hit. Soviet orphanages were nicer places than you'd expect; this is objectively evidenced by a number of successful people with orphanage-coined surnames, like "Samoletov" (lit. "of-airplane")).

Concerning sexuality (= degeneracy), the early Soviets had an amusingly mistaken view of it: namely, they thought that, being separated from the notions of sin, seduction, sensuality, and assorted queerness, fucking can be reduced to a basic inconsequential reflex, like scratching an itch. This dichotomy is still promoted in Current Year by the likes of Aella:

Your Sexual Fluidity Score: Lowest 0.01%
High scores in sexual fluidity indicate a more flowy, experimental orientation - perhaps you're bisexual or gay, perhaps you play with gender expression - and we don't mean to be gendernormative here, but this is definitely a more feminine style of expression. On the other hand, low scores indicate 'brosexuality' - you like banging [I don't. I am dissatisfied with the castrated moral end of the scale for the whoring questions in this survey.], you like straightforward sex where the roles are defined, and you probably are pretty masculine about it.
Your Sexually Liberated Score: Lowest 0.01%
High sexual liberation scores indicate a horny yearning for the world of tomorrow - or at least the 60's vision of tomorrow. Polyamory, nudism, and free love rein. Sex is good for you, after all, and we should be having more of it. Low scores indicate you're good with things as they are - or perhaps would like to go back in time a bit, to modesty and propriety. For low-scorers, sex is better enjoyed more powerfully when limited.

Faggotry was thus legalized because faggots were thought to be closest to the "scratching an itch" ideal (unlike the crab-bucket, ass-in-the-air, i-got-raped-so-you-get-raped-too women). By 1930 it was clear the idea was fucking idiotic, as faggotry metastasized, elderly fags promoted their barely legal cumdumpsters to high government posts, and the whole lot needed to be purged as soon as possible.

The other conservative reforms came into place as the social order settled. Clearly abortion was bad because it deprived the state of (wo)manpower, but neither should a woman be forced to keep a civil war whytoid rape baby; by the 1930s the latter was no longer a concern. Marriage went from a post facto notice (1926) to an obligation (1936) because civil registries were functioning almost everywhere and preventing bigamy became more important than some guy in the Far North being able to marry his squeeze before the ice road settles.

 

[Magic Milk]

Communists will never be morally correct or good at conservatism lol, soviets couldn't even conserve their country from collapse

 

[The Last Stand]

This thread is retarded. I'm ashamed to even call myself conservative.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Probably brown communists/socialists, like me, are conservatives. Keep in mind, all of the current degeneracies are happening under capitalist society.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Probably brown communists/socialists, like me, are conservatives. Keep in mind, all of the current degeneracies are happening under capitalist society.

Freedom for capital means freedom for a lot of other adjacent things. Controlling capital implicitly means controlling those who own it, i.e. people.
The only thing that remains is to discern HOW and towards what you should control the masses on the social realm.

 

[Spob]

Would China count, or has it capitalized too much for it to count?

Correct me if I'm wrong about any of these, but...

* LGBTQXYZ: although afaik they don't persecute them, you still can't get gay married in China... but they recently made it so you can get the troon surgery (although idk if it gives you any legal rights).
* Feminism: in recent years Xi Jingping has been pushing a quiet PR campaign to make all the kids of both genders wear commie tracksuits and pants, re-releasing textbooks with updated illustrations and what not to reflect this. Skirts are kinda gay so ig in some ways it might even count as a win on our count?
* Religion: they're cracking down on all religions, well, not directly because that'd be too obvious, but they're requiring all houses of worship to register under government-sponsored organizations. You have to hang the Chinese flag everywhere in churches, etc. There are quite a few underground sects but they and their leaders all liable to forced dismantling or arrest.
* Abortion: China's been pretty open about this.
* Ethnic Purity: Big yes. Only it's Han Chinese people instead of white people.
* Education: They inject a lot of political stuff into education, ig you could make an argument both for and against that being indoctrination. Wonder if Pooh propaganda or troon propaganda is worse. But that aside, they do a much better job at actually teaching us shit than America's de-spined public schools.

 

[Betonhaus]

* LGBTQXYZ: although afaik they don't persecute them, you still can't get gay married in China... but they recently made it so you can get the troon surgery (although idk if it gives you any legal rights).

I wonder if they push troonism because they are counting on the deviants committing suicide without the government getting its hands dirty, or at least outing themselves so they can be quietly nudged from important roles.

 

[Spob]

I wonder if they push troonism because they are counting on the deviants committing suicide without the government getting its hands dirty, or at least outing themselves so they can be quietly nudged from important roles.

Are you sure that's the plan? i.e. would they really be able to get away with doing that without drawing too much scrutiny?

And also, wouldn't "supporting" troonism decrease the 41% rate?

Now ofc, the probably-meaningful albeit misguided TERF response would be "see gals, toldja, troons have an agenda to trans the gay away!"

 

[Betonhaus]

And also, wouldn't "supporting" troonism decrease the 41% rate?

Not if they deeply encourage the troons to get half-assed bottom surgery as soon as possible then skimp on the aftercare and support.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

It's not that communism is better at it, it's that anything is better at it. Conservatism is an inherently liberal ideology. Trying to conserve any culture, values, or morals within the frame of liberalism is impossible. Those things are all inherently restrictive to at least some extent so any liberal ideology will always become hostile towards them.

 

[kuuu]

@Safir I do believe I can just blatantly react at this part of the forum so here:

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Any totalitarian system is going to be better at controlling society and directing it to their own goals.

Personally I'll take gay marriage and trannies over 100+ million murdered under Communism and the millions more impoverished, imprisoned and starved.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Any totalitarian system is going to be better at controlling society and directing it to their own goals.

Personally I'll take gay marriage and trannies over 100+ million murdered under Communism and the millions more impoverished, imprisoned and starved.

That's a choice nobody in the civilized parts of the planet should have to make.
There are many ways to control the tiny, tiny, tiny and irrelevant amount of degenerates WITHOUT having to go full blast left wing death squads, commissars Cletus&Jamal and gulag-having.

 

[Wood]

you didn't need to allow your grandfather to rape her, shut up like a good cuck, and raise the resulting rape babies

what

 

[Sissyagamben]

Communism is fundamentally against conservatism, and it can switch its paradigm at any moment.
First of all I think globohomo and all other kinds of demoralization in the West is Soviet and China plot. Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov already said that this was their plan in the 70s. Ofc they are not going to let their own kids be gay or get neutered, they are counting on that destroying the West.

And when Chinese Communist Party and Bolshevik took over they aimed to completely change almost every fibre of society, because all the old stuff were bouzhoi, regressive, opium of people, retarded, and don't fit the perfect ideology that is communism. Soviet Union had the wokest women participation statistics in politics, and at some point you don't get to choose to be a traditional wife and mother. Same with China. Chinese people love shitting out kids and during one child policy the police hunted down and dragged full term pregnant women to get abortion, if that woman has already had one kid. Communism dont give a fuck about your traditional family, your trad wife, your kids. It only cares about the kids as in them being the future army reserve and labourers.

It is probably the most progressive political movement ever, with its end goal to build this retarded utopia out of nothing. They literally believe in Permanent Revolution, literally, revolt all the time forever. It's the direct ideological opposite of conservatism

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

The answer is a hard no. Communism has always been lefty. Communism at it’s core is about abolishing private property. That alone should prove that it is a far-left ideology.

 

[Matt Damon]

Personally I'll take gay marriage and trannies over 100+ million murdered under Communism and the millions more impoverished, imprisoned and starved.

In theory, sure. In its current iteration, the former is just a veiled push for another shot at the latter.

 

[The Fountainhead]

If you're referring to Russia and China specifically, I don't believe either one is communist anymore. I arrived at that belief separately from Colonel Douglas Macgregor, who claims the same.

Do either one of these cities remind you of the old USSR or Cold War China? Or what a "communist" country looks like?

MOSCOW:...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................BEIJING