Is IQ an actual good measurement of intelligence?

It can be if tested for correctly.
A Boomer relative of mine insists one of his sons scored 180, but that same son is the type to still wear those surgical masks alone in his car after he doomed hard over covid for two years.
At this point I kind of assume the son has some kind of hidden esoteric knowledge about masks, or the test he took was fucked up somehow.
 
Honestly, it can filter out retards and people who can see patterns. But it's not something you can put a number on and compare "intelligence" on a scale. The difference between 110 and 140 IQ (just numbers I made up) won't tell shit about who is actually more intelligent. But 60 vs. 120 IQ will tell you something. Also, the people who creates the tests also have some retard/psudo logic inserted, so you can get it wrong for just overanalyzing or just seeing a pattern that they "think" is wrong, or even they didn't even think of. Really stupid since there is no way to write a motivation for "why you though" this is correct or why there might be two potential answer etc (It can be a good way to filter people with certain ways to think, but it's mostly a personality test at this point).

/Thanks for reading my sub 60 IQ reddit cope.
 
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The idea that something as complex as the human mind could be given something akin to a "dragon ball power level" is profoundly retarded. What is IQ even supposed to represent? potential intelligence that's applicable to every single thing without factoring education, personal experiences and how much time you spend doing these tests (which all affect iq tests by the way)? that's not how we work.
Also who's supposed to come up with a reliable way?
We can test reaction times, short/long term memory for specific things etc, but even the simple notion of an IQ seems kinda pointless to me
 
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In general it seems to work. But what it actually is measuring? Who knows. I wouldn’t rely on it to much. Judgment of works and products are a better test but that relies on the opinion of the judge.
 
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Drael said:
A Boomer relative of mine insists one of his sons scored 180
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Hogwash. I scored 175 and while I'm 'smart', I'm still retarded. Everyone is retarded. The human condition is various degrees of retardation and how aware of it we are.
 
Yes and no.

IQ tests can really only measure Linguistic and Logical intelligence effectively, as well as kind of sort of mathematical and spacial intellgeinces but those are far more effectively tested 'in the field' so to speak. And as for Naturalistic, Inter/Intra personal and kinetic intelligence? Well it can't test for those at all.

I scroed well on mine back when I took it but that's because I excell at lingustic and logical intelligence but if for example we were in some paralel universe where IQ tests primarily tested for kinetic and naturalistic intellignece I'd be completely retarded because I'm a clumsy oaf and my instincts are dogshit.

About all a high IQ can tell you about a person is that they speak well and that they're capable of putting 2 and 2 together to come up with the correct conclusions in a standardized testing envrionment. Not much else.
 
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Probably not LOL. Like what are the odds we just invent some arbitrary way to test intelligence that is actually dead accurate? It sounds like bullshit.

There would obviously be heavy correlation but there also would be by administering Math tests etc. even though the specific thing alone isn't THE measure of intelligence.

Genius is probably problem solving + creativity. A lot of retards attempt retarded solutions to problems because their mind wasn't able to grasp why the solution was retarded. A lot of genius people can pre-emptively see roadblocks and issues with a given idea and come up with another.

I think that may be the case, because I notice that particular skill is behind any success I've had. I was on disability benefits for mental illness (I have legit anxiety disorders not Tumblr type illness) and broke, I'm worth over a million now with two properties. I've never had to work a real job in my life. I'm retired at 31 now. I made fortunes from the same exact underlying skill, which is 100% A. creativity to generate many ideas and B. being able to pre-empt any issues the ideas have and tune them etc.

Successful inventors are probably all high level geniuses.
 
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RMQualtrough said:
Successful inventors are probably all high level geniuses.
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Nah, I know one who is pretty dimwitted. He just has determination and keeps inventing dumb things until he stumbles upon something good. Another duo of successful inventors I know are definitely not dumb but more midwits with an autistic attention to detail.

The only guy I know who is a true genius (excluding myself, of course) is an author who suffers from schizophrenia. He is one of the best authors I have ever read, but he doesn't want to publish his work due to his insanity.
 
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Higgs Bonbon said:
Hogwash. I scored 175 and while I'm 'smart', I'm still retarded. Everyone is retarded. The human condition is various degrees of retardation and how aware of it we are.
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175 IQ is insanely rare. No-one who has 175 IQ believes that they are retarded, and neither do you.

Of course, we all know that the purpose of the insincere modesty here is to make the highly unlikely score feel more palatable. The fact you genuinely appear to not have realized how transparent this was makes me doubt the 175 claim much more than the inherent improbability of it.
 
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ENDTOPII said:
The difference between 110 and 140 IQ (just numbers I made up) won't tell shit about who is actually more intelligent.
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110 IQs tend to be in the bottom half of college graduates and struggle with higher math classes. Generally speaking, your successful STEM majors are 120+, and successful graduate students are 130+. And it varies by major, of course. The physics majors tend to have about 8-10 points on the civil engineering majors.

Afinepickle said:
but those are far more effectively tested 'in the field' so to speak
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Yes, but it's extremely expensive to let every student waste resources failing classes when you can tell via a very cheap test who is likely to fail.
Am I Very Wrong said:
What is IQ even supposed to represent?
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Pattern recognition ability, which is a principal function of your cerebral cortex.
 
cigint said:
175 IQ is insanely rare. No-one who has 175 IQ believes that they are retarded, and neither do you.

Of course, we all know that the purpose of the insincere modesty here is to make the highly unlikely score feel more palatable. The fact you genuinely appear to not have realized how transparent this was makes me doubt the 175 claim much more than the inherent improbability of it.
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I realize it's insanely rare. It feels like a cosmic joke, it's not a pleasant feeling. The point about 'retardation' is that, as human beings, we do things that aren't always to our benefit and often end up sabotaging ourselves—meaning that no matter how much your numbers go up, if you don't have the self discipline to bother with higher studies or networking (or the economic flexibility for that matter), said big numbers might as well not even be there—laziness is a form of retardation. I believe the metric is deeply flawed.

And as I'm sure you're also aware, "studies suggest/experts say" often leads to some catastrophically retarded takes, even when someone is properly applying their gifts they can still be a retard.
 
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IQ strongly correlates with a lot of positive life outcomes (health, job success, self regulatory/moral behaviour, the capacity to delay gratification etc.) so regardless of whether you think pattern recognition or whatever *ought* to constitute the concept of intelligence, the tests do measure some kind of meaningful construct that happens to be a good thing. I find people often critique IQ by trying to redefine the concept of intelligence to something more accessible or immeasurable or flattering to themselves, which strikes me more as cope than as a genuine inquiry into what construct IQ tests actually measure and why that construct matters.
 
The Tall Man said:
The only guy I know who is a true genius (excluding myself, of course) is an author who suffers from schizophrenia. He is one of the best authors I have ever read, but he doesn't want to publish his work due to his insanity.
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The most intelligent man I ever met was my schizophrenic great-uncle who helped invent an a now ubiquitous autopart in his 20’s, but in his 30’s he had to be permanently institutionalized due to his paranoia. I’ve met folks who scored in the mid-100’s on IQ tests and while they might be “smart”, they never held a candle to my uncle’s brilliance, whom they never bothered to IQ test due to his “insanity”.

I hope your friend publishes his work someday. The self-publish industry would be a great avenue for him.
 
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Higgs Bonbon said:
I realize it's insanely rare.
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Okay, but that's not what I said you seem to not have realized.

Higgs Bonbon said:
[high IQ] feels like a cosmic joke, it's not a pleasant feeling

as human beings, we do things that aren't always to our benefit and often end up sabotaging ourselves

laziness is a form of retardation

I believe the [IQ] metric is deeply flawed

And as I'm sure you're also aware, "studies suggest/experts say" often leads to some catastrophically retarded takes
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IQ is a phenomenally successful predictor of general aptitude, in fact, the best such distilled metric that we have ever conceived.

Trotting out this cavalcade of Redditor-tier midwitisms, again, I would say, is having probably the opposite effect of what you intended.
 
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My IQ is supposedly above average with everything but math. Unfortunately since I'm broke brains retarded with math I will never have the kind of high IQ autism that can make $$$.

Just the Autism that makes you post on kiwi farms
 
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