Is it just me, or is every possible future a bad one.

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I was feeling a bit depressed about this yesterday because that is exactly what seems to be the case. Hawkwind did a song called "It is the business of the future to be dangerous," but we can handle a dangerous future. Danger means purpose and meaning. History is all about humanity rising to overcome the dangers. We are heading for a world in which the future will be dominated by one of the following:

1. The West will continue its slide into a meaningless, degraded culture where hordes of isolated, atomised, powerless masses are herded by a small number of unaccountable and omnipotent elite technocrats who Know Better. This will become the dominant cultural paradigm for the rest of the 21st century. Mindless consumerism, addiction to the dopamine hit of likes on Instacrap or other more prosaic narcotics, no real meaningful progress in science or technology other than as a way to sedate the masses with prolefeed, artificial scarcity when Net Zero comes in, and hordes of economic and/or climate refugees who want to get in because even life as an atomised pod-dwelling bug-eating prole is preferable to starvation and endless resource wars or working for the Chinese (see below.)

2. The Chinese will export their worker-ant communism to be the dominant cultural paradigm. The masses will march in endless lockstep for the edification of the nomenklatura and degrade themselves with longer hours and less material wealth. They will do anything for just a crumb of social credit. There will be no meaningful progress in science or technology other than as a way to control and repress the masses, artificial scarcity because one's social credit score will act as a physical barrier to anything other than bare subsistence level, and developed economies will be swamped by hordes of economic and/or climate refugees who want to get in because even life in indentured servitude to Xi Jinping is preferable to starvation and endless resource wars or a nightmare of mental anaesthesis in the decadent West.

You might be thinking, "but what about Russia?" Sorry, but Russia is irrelevant. Vladimir Putin rules over a personality cult because he can't do anything else and once he dies or is deposed, Russia is just not economically or culturally heavyweight enough other than to throw its lot in with one of the above. At best it'll be part of a non-aligned group that incorporates the worst of both 1 and 2 above.

Tl;dr - our future is either freedom without purpose, or purpose without freedom.

Why do I think this is so? Well, have a look at modern Western culture, or what passes for it. It is utterly degenerate. Not because of drag queen story hour, cutting off your dick, and Love Island. Those are symptoms. No, it is degenerate because it is devoid of any transcendent meaning or purpose. We're not allowed to have a cultural identity or story; the cultural Maoists have seen to that because they know it is the glue that holds a society together. Our values are increasingly derided as racist and outdated but with nothing to actually replace them other than self-loathing and attention-seeking. We are told we mustn't have children because the planet is dying and it's not right to bring them into an already overpopulated world. We are told we mustn't be proud of our values because they are not worth the pride. We are told that our new values should be open mindedness, doublethink ("trans women are women" is the most visible example of that), and celebrating diversity. We are told that our culture is nothing and worthless and needs to be enriched by uncontrolled migration (who are really just there to be exploited as cheap labour). As a result, we are suffering a crime wave in the cities, increasing drug and alcohol usage, and increasing antidepressant usage because the future of the West is looking more and more like the heat death of the universe.

Think about just how quickly everyone slavishly complied with Covid-19 lockdowns. We were told it was just for a few weeks until the peak was over, but 15 weeks into it we're still subjected to restrictions. Restrictions which conveniently don't get enforced other than against the little people - sorry, the "gammons," the "deplorables," and similar epithets (the BLM protests really weren't socially distanced but went ahead anyhow) - and the justification for which is becoming increasingly scanty. Thirty years ago this would have caused outrage, but we're so anaesthetised by the 24 hour news cycle, social media, and being told what to think that we just don't care.

It applies on a pop culture level as well. The defamation of Luke Skywalker and other pop cultural heroes with remakes and reboots is deliberate and part of a larger plan to divorce the masses from any meaning in their culture because that's the glue that holds society together.

As a result, the West is heading for the cultural equivalent of the heat death of the universe.

Meanwhile, the Chinese are clamping down hard on everything. They have a purpose, and that is to give their lives for the Revolution and to expand across all the globe until the proletarians of all lands are free (to serve the nomenklatura). Their belt and road initiative is basically bribing the developing world to be on their side. They are depressingly attracting people by saying that freedom is overrated, look at the West. Social credit is attractive because it gamifies obedience and unthinking obedience at that. I remember reading a post by a Mainland Chinese player of the game Frostpunk about how the fact that the game treats as a bad ending that you survived the ice age by implementing total authoritarian rule as a symptom of "why you guys in decay." They are indoctrinated to the point at which they will take happiness in slavery over unhappiness in freedom.

The worst thing that could happen, of course, is that both 1 and 2 above become true. That we end up with 1984 for real - a small ruling class exercising power for its own sake by a combination of the carrot and the stick and that human nature invariably leads to this. Imagine an endless parade of twitch-mobs shrieking at people for social credit, forever. And it is invariable - as Orwell said, the Middle enlist the Low on their side to change places with the High only to thrust the Low back into their previous position of servitude.

Sometimes I hope that Greta Thunberg is right and that global warming becomes irreversible after 2030 and humanity dies out. There was a joke about the shortest science fiction story of all time I remember. It was as follows:

Galactic Report Card: Planet Earth said:

Indeed, that is the grade I would give humanity right now. We had the opportunity to revolutionise the world with the internets and freedom of information, and we squandered it on endless political squabbling and e-girls. We had the opportunity to bring about, at the end of the Cold War, a world where democracy and liberty became truly universal values, and we squandered it on self-doubt and navel-gazing and grievance-mongering. We had the opportunity to provide truly green energy in the form of properly developed nuclear power, and we squandered it in favour of fucking windmills because we were terrified of radiation. We had the opportunity to resurrect the space program and begin spreading to other planets, but we squandered it by telling ourself it was only any good as a test bed for nuclear missiles.

And now we are in a world where the future is 1984 by the carrot, or 1984 by the stick.

Well fucking done.

And on that bombshell, I'm going to go and have a sandwich and chase it down with a couple of Venlafaxine.
 
It's surprising how easy it is to demoralize Westerners.
You guys had it so good for so long that a few years of mild trouble and tension has you on your knees.
I used to think that the West is strong, now I see that they're weaklings with big guns and a lot of resources.
That's why it's so easy for foreigners to take over.
We're used to life being tough, you're not.
You've always had everything you could ever want and need and now that you might actually have to compete in order to keep it, it's: "THE WORLD IS ENDING! ORWELL WAS RIGHT! 1984!"

Toughen up and be the change you want to see.
 
Don't you have other things to worry about, like the impending demise of your own country?

I could ask you the same.

Hell, the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting economic turmoil pretty much started because a bunch of Chinese hipsters couldn't stop themselves from eating bat meat. This whole mess that is 2020 is pretty much the PRC's fault.

At least our hipsters are weak bearded vegan sex pest baizuo who only eat avocado and drink shitty IPA beer while your hipsters are degenerate ghouls who get off on eating the meat of exotic endangered species. I wouldn't put it past Hop Sing Soi down in Wuhan to ask his wife Chun-Li to convince her Uighur boyfriend/bull to start buying black makret human flesh because "cannibalism is exotic" and Kuru Disease is the latest trend

Simp all you want for Chairman Winnie but your social credit score still isn't going to go up and Naomi Wu still won't fuck you.
 
Don't you have other things to worry about, like the impending demise of your own country?
America isn't the one putting withdrawal limits on bank accounts of citizens or giving $1.50 as disaster relief in a nation suffering severe flooding, earthquakes, tornadoes, plagues and pestilence. America also didn't open the Three Gorges Dam before telling the citizens they did.

We may have idiots rioting but they're a minority and largely contained to specific party cities. Even now most people are turning against them. I keep having conversations with black people who abhor the racism in BLM. What's being witnessed is a tantrum by a spoiled generation exacerbated by social media. I imagine no different to how you view Hong Kong rioting.

@Ginger Piglet, just take breaks and realize that the internet is not the majority. It may be a meme, but most people do in fact just want to grill. Remember that 80% of Twitter is 10% of users.
 
Honestly, I think we are dangerously close to what OP is describing but we're also equally close to a third option where China is at risk of losing it all and the United States drifts away from being the sole superpower but isn't in terminal decline either.

Wu Flu provided an unexpected X-Factor that more or less has thrown a massive monkey wrench into Beijing's 100 Year Plan and by extension, majorly hurts the Silicon Valley and media mega-corporations who actively engage in seditious collaboration with the PRC

If this third option occurs (and it pretty much hinges on a second term of Trump and Democrats failing to take the Senate) then I think we'll see a Seventh Party System in America and on the global front, a series of multiple "Great Powers" emerge like in the pre-Cold War era.
 
America isn't the one putting withdrawal limits on bank accounts of citizens or giving $1.50 as disaster relief in a nation suffering severe flooding, earthquakes, tornadoes, plagues and pestilence. America also didn't open the Three Gorges Dam before telling the citizens they did.

We may have idiots rioting but they're a minority and largely contained to specific party cities. Even now most people are turning against them. I keep having conversations with black people who abhor the racism in BLM. What's being witnessed is a tantrum by a spoiled generation exacerbated by social media. I imagine no different to how you view Hong Kong rioting.

@Ginger Piglet, just take breaks and realize that the internet is not the majority. It may be a meme, but most people do in fact just want to grill. Remember that 80% of Twitter is 10% of users.

The problem is, you don't have to be on the internets to be cancelled. And the degenerate culture isn't just as a result of the internets. It's the media in general. Twitter makes fucking news headlines. Remember "covfefe?" I do. A typo on Twitter was front page news. BBC News constantly crows about influencers. It's Cressida Dick not having the balls to enforce social distancing on BLM protests because she's frit of "disorder." It's soft-soaping Extinction Rebellion. It's virtual skimmingtons against academics for things they've said in lectures.

Honestly, I think we are dangerously close to what OP is describing but we're also equally close to a third option where China is at risk of losing it all and the United States drifts away from being the sole superpower but isn't in terminal decline either.

Wu Flu provided an unexpected X-Factor that more or less has thrown a massive monkey wrench into Beijing's 100 Year Plan and by extension, majorly hurts the Silicon Valley and media mega-corporations who actively engage in seditious collaboration with the PRC

If this third option occurs (and it pretty much hinges on a second term of Trump and Democrats failing to take the Senate) then I think we'll see a Seventh Party System in America and on the global front, a series of multiple "Great Powers" emerge like in the pre-Cold War era.

I am worried as a Britbong that we're at risk of squandering the opportunities of Brexit to be a global independent power player. I have a horrible fever dream that all of a sudden because everything isn't 100% perfect in every way this will be used by the FBPE mob and a future Government who is less sanguine about making the most of Brexit to have us crawling back into the EU upon where we will be fucked like a whore on payday. I think we should be less frit of Covid-19 as well. We've passed the peak and the economy won't stand another lengthy lockdown and that will hurt people a lot more than the Chinese Batclap, on the whole.
 
It's surprising how easy it is to demoralize Westerners.
You guys had it so good for so long that a few years of mild trouble and tension has you on your knees.
I used to think that the West is strong, now I see that they're weaklings with big guns and a lot of resources.
That's why it's so easy for foreigners to take over.
We're used to life being tough, you're not.
You've always had everything you could ever want and need and now that you might actually have to compete in order to keep it, it's: "THE WORLD IS ENDING! ORWELL WAS RIGHT! 1984!"

Toughen up and be the change you want to see.
Good times -> weak men
Weak men -> hard times
 
The problem is, you don't have to be on the internets to be cancelled. And the degenerate culture isn't just as a result of the internets. It's the media in general. Twitter makes fucking news headlines. Remember "covfefe?" I do. A typo on Twitter was front page news. BBC News constantly crows about influencers. It's Cressida Dick not having the balls to enforce social distancing on BLM protests because she's frit of "disorder." It's soft-soaping Extinction Rebellion. It's virtual skimmingtons against academics for things they've said in lectures.



I am worried as a Britbong that we're at risk of squandering the opportunities of Brexit to be a global independent power player. I have a horrible fever dream that all of a sudden because everything isn't 100% perfect in every way this will be used by the FBPE mob and a future Government who is less sanguine about making the most of Brexit to have us crawling back into the EU upon where we will be fucked like a whore on payday. I think we should be less frit of Covid-19 as well. We've passed the peak and the economy won't stand another lengthy lockdown and that will hurt people a lot more than the Chinese Batclap, on the whole.

I'll admit, I've mainly been viewing this from an American perspective and unfortunately I think most of Europe and the UK are perma-fucked.

Italy, Poland, and Hungary might have a chance if they can find a way to get of the EU and tell Merkel to stuff it.

It's pretty obvious Merkel's Germany (and by extension, the EU) is far more willing to support China than the rest of the West, and I'm sure that France and the Nordic countries will back whatever Germany supports.

I honestly have no idea how the UK can recover unless they further strengthen ties to the US and encourage Italy and the Eastern European countries to do the same
 
The problem is, you don't have to be on the internets to be cancelled. And the degenerate culture isn't just as a result of the internets. It's the media in general. Twitter makes fucking news headlines. Remember "covfefe?" I do. A typo on Twitter was front page news. BBC News constantly crows about influencers. It's Cressida Dick not having the balls to enforce social distancing on BLM protests because she's frit of "disorder." It's soft-soaping Extinction Rebellion. It's virtual skimmingtons against academics for things they've said in lectures.
These things change in time. A lot of Brits find BLM to be nonsense as well. Plus you had an unexpected Tory victory. Just be sure to be a voice; write letters and make phone calls to legislators. I imagine quite a few Tories would like to explore that one professor getting promoted on hate speech that they likely aren't aware of like we are.
 
I'll admit, I've mainly been viewing this from an American perspective and unfortunately I think most of Europe and the UK are perma-fucked.

Italy, Poland, and Hungary might have a chance if they can find a way to get of the EU and tell Merkel to stuff it.

It's pretty obvious Merkel's Germany (and by extension, the EU) is far more willing to support China than the rest of the West, and I'm sure that France and the Nordic countries will back whatever Germany supports.

I honestly have no idea how the UK can recover unless they further strengthen ties to the US and encourage Italy and the Eastern European countries to do the same

Italy is, alas, because it considers with some justification to have been thrown under the bus from the rest of the EU, prepared to join in with China's Belt and Road initiative. Bad idea. You give the Chicoms and inch, and next thing you know, you're working 90 hours a week in some terrifying sweatshop in exchange for the right not to be sent for re-education.

Poland and Hungary have the right idea though. But to encourage them to get out the EU, we need to make a visible success of Brexit.
 
I agree. Things aren't getting any better. The West keeps getting more cucked and passive every year. People are too addicted to convenience and social media to ever have another liberal revolution like the one that founded America. Critical thinking is dead. The schools are brainwashing factories. We're in social and economic collapse and have never been more divided. Our "melting pot" is killing us.

The West was a cool experiment, but I think we're in a terminal decline. I can't see a future where we're more free, wise, and fulfilled.
 
Italy is, alas, because it considers with some justification to have been thrown under the bus from the rest of the EU, prepared to join in with China's Belt and Road initiative. Bad idea. You give the Chicoms and inch, and next thing you know, you're working 90 hours a week in some terrifying sweatshop in exchange for the right not to be sent for re-education.

Poland and Hungary have the right idea though. But to encourage them to get out the EU, we need to make a visible success of Brexit.

Fair point, and I get the feeling that had Salvini remained in power, Italy might not have been so eager to consider the Belt and Road.

Given how bad Wu Flu fucked over Italy because of the left-leaning elements in its government wanted to suck up to China, I'm not going to completely write them off just yet.

If the United States is smart post-2020, they will do everything they can to get Italy over in our camp economically and away from the Belt and Road, and also get Poland and Hungary as well.
 
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It's not the Chinese you have to worry about (Though I agree we should bring our jobs back from China using tariffs). They're a counter balance to the Western elites who're currently at war with China, Russia, Iran, etc. Most of the problems aren't coming from a nation outside our borders. Most of the problems are coming from a nation-without-borders who lives amongst us. They're the ones pushing open borders, censorship, and accelerating degeneracy.

You won't be censored for criticizing China unless you want to buy a "Free Hong Kong" basketball jersey from the NBA or you want to post pro-Hong Kong protest content on TikTok. But dare post anything the Culture of Critique sees as threatening and you get deplatformed from social media, denied services from banks and Paypal, raided by SWAT for posting "far right" fliers, denied government employment for supporting BDS, and blacklisted from all employment for "antisemitism". And that's just what happens in the US. In other countries they'll send police to arrest you for hate speech.

Who in the West has the most to fear from the "far right"? Who in the West benefits the most from replacing ethnic majorities with a smattering of divided ethnic blocks that can be pitted against each other? Why is over-representation of white people by 20% such a huge problem while Jews being over-represented by 400% due to "A culture of hard work and education"? Why can Black Nationalists say hateful and genocidal things about whites, but get shut down when they criticize Israel or Jews (See: Louis Farrakhan, Marc Lamont Hill, and Tamika Mallory)?

 
Wu Flu provided an unexpected X-Factor that more or less has thrown a massive monkey wrench into Beijing's 100 Year Plan and by extension, majorly hurts the Silicon Valley and media mega-corporations who actively engage in seditious collaboration with the PRC

Notice that your conspiracy theory only works if we assume China is the cause of all the ills and woes in the west and China's downfall will magically make all of your problems go away, but I suspect you, being controlled opposition, already know that's just wishful thinking.
 
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The only future were their is any hope is the one where I get my mum and dad to watch contrapoints.
 
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