Is it my fault my best friend died?

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Lets say that me and my best bud, decided to go on a camping trip but on the way there, we had an argument and he decided he would walk the rest of the way back to town. It was in the middle of Winter and he was not drssed for the weather. i tried to convince him to get back in the car but he refused and told me to fuck off. enraged, i drove off and left him on the side of the road. two days later, they find him dead, frozen to death.

Is it my fault that his gone or dose he take all the blame?

What you just read is fiction from a book im reading called "Utlämnad". none of this is real but i just wanted your guys thoughts on the moral dilemma of the book.
 
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Yes. Even if he told them to fuck off he knew he wouldn't be able to make it back. He was responsible to at least call someone to tell them, "hey there is a guy wandering the woods here". But just driving home and ignoring him is neglect. Doesn't matter what the argument was. Someone's life isn't worth a spat.
 
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Depends where and how long the walk/drive was. I'm guessing camping trip means it was mainly in the woods with little housing or buildings nearby. If it was a mile than it was probably natural selection at work seeing as how he didn't think to bring warm clothes to a camping trip where it's cold enough to freeze to death.
5 miles and up it's a little more on you.
 
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The main point here is that the driver got enraged and thought "fuck this guy, he can die." until he slept it off and found out the consequences 2 days later.

Usually Nordic countries think "No such thing as bad weather, just bad equipment." The driver living in the snowy area is well aware of this most likely. So the fact he drove away and didn't think to call the police or somebody else to pick his friend up is intentional negligence fueled by spite.

The other party carries fault for also knowing "no bad weather, just bad equipment" yet still decided to hoof it out of spite while badly dressed. If he practiced self preservation he could have endured an uncofortable ride in exchange for his life. After half an hour of going on foot he surely regreted the decision, but the driver was far gone. The man faced consequences for refusing the ride: death. The driver did not suffer any consequences, aside from quilt most likely.

The cold killed the walker. The driver is guilty of criminal negligent homocide. The walker is quilty of putting emotions over self preservation.

The driver deserves to be criminally prosecuted in court.

If the police or atleast a friend was called, with the reasoning "this dickhead wont enter my fucking car. Pick him up before he dies out there. He was last seen at this location."
Then you can argue there was an attempt to save his life while avoiding getting into a fight while driving during hard driving conditions.
 
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Yes. You have a responsibility to follow him at a distance until he chills the fuck out (literally) and gets back in the car.
 
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Yes. You have a responsibility to follow him at a distance until he chills the fuck out (literally) and gets back in the car.
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Also, you need to let someone know there was an effort to keep him alive on your part so that the authorities don't think you killed him.
 
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If it is a book, the character should be in great moral anguish over it, and make lots of drama.

In real life, depends on the situation. Was it 500 miles innawoods or just a mile from a city? Did he notify the cops? There maybe a civil or negligence charge there.
 
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First of all, come on, at least try ^.

Second, I believe you (the character) holds some responsability, but this is subjective. I also don't know how far were they from the city, which plays a role in this assessment, because depending on it & under common sense criteria, it would make the decision negligent or not.

Let's say you were just 2 minutes away from town and you leave him, and he dies, would you be equally responsible? In this case the distance matters, because although the unfortunate accident happened, it was fairly unreasonable to think he was in real danger.

If you were 3 hours away, in a strong winter season and weather, then you leaving him there is far more negligent, to the point where it's arguably unethical.

So you see, there are several variables to take into consideration, but ultimately it's subjective.

Assuming there were reasonable expectations by you to believe he was in danger, then yes, under a common sense moral code, you were unethical to some degree.
 
You guys seem really interested about details so i will talk about the book for a bit.

There four friends that go out on a camping trip in Island. They suddenly find themselves in a snow storm and take refuge in a cabin. There, they find a mysterious man just sitting inside the cabin staring at the wall, saying nothing. I still dont know the identity of the man but he later gets up for no reason and walks towards the campers. one of them gets scard and shoots him in the neck, killing him (that part can be a thread in of itself about self-defense). It turns out the ex-girlfriend of the guy that got left on the side of the road blames the driver (one of the campers) for leaving her boyfriend to die without calling for help, so it seems the entire trip was some kind of plan by her and her brother (Another camper) to trick him into getting help in the snow storm, hoping he would freeze to death out there.

The driver of course denials this, saying he only saw him the day he disappeared but that they were in fact travelling together that day and he left him there after the argument. It was in the middle of winter and the sky was clear but the moment he returned to town, it was dark and started snowing. The nearest building was around 10-15 mils from where he left him. The police concluded that the man who died must have hitchhiked there on his own and for some reason decided to try and walk back to town. The driver was never caught beacuse he never told anyone about the incident and has carried the guilt for a number of years. The ex of the one that died thinks his lying that he had nothing to do with her boyfriends death but he keeps denial it.
 
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Given the wall of texts, yes it's your fault
 
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Gravityqueen4life said:
It was in the middle of winter and the sky was clear but the moment he returned to town, it was dark and started snowing. The nearest building was around 10-15 mils from where he left him.
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Horrendously negligent. Assuming "not dressed for the weather" is like a hoodie and pants in the wintery north of Scandinavian countries, even a more mild winter at just around freezing would be hazardous, much less it dipping well below freezing and the approaching nightfall. That's still 2+ hours of exposure, and any significant wind chill would wreck most normal people even on the mild side. I'd convict your ass in a heartbeat for manslaughter.
 
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Horrendously negligent. Assuming "not dressed for the weather" is like a hoodie and pants in the wintery north of Scandinavian countries, even a more mild winter at just around freezing would be hazardous, much less it dipping well below freezing and the approaching nightfall. That's still 2+ hours of exposure, and any significant wind chill would wreck most normal people even on the mild side. I'd convict your ass in a heartbeat for manslaughter.
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I wish they went more on detail what he was wearing but i guess it was just a normal winter jacket, sneakers and jeans. Thats what you average normie wears in the big city.
 
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