Is it selfish to keep retarded/low-functioning autistic people alive?

[Colon capital V]

You have parents that insist on keeping their tard children alive, knowing fullwell that they will never be able to properly grow up and become independant on their own, if they manage to even live past into adulthood. At worst, they'll just be a constant nuisance to look after and at best they'll be placed in a adult tard-wrangling facility where they'll fuck around until their heart stops beating.

So is it selfish to keep these people alive knowing they will never do anything with their lives and whatever else kind of suffering they may go through? Or would it be best to end their existance right then and there?

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[Passing Through Town]

Is it selfish to burden yourself so that someone disadvantaged can live as comfortably as possible? No. And it's a perfectly natural thing to do when it's your own child. Whenever people suggest things like this, I have to ask: Would you be willing to be the one to kill them? If so, then at best you need therapy. If not, then who are you proposing should do it? Who should carry the emotional weight of having murdered an innocent person simply because they're defective?

 

[Ser Prize]

Is it selfish to burden yourself so that someone disadvantaged can live as comfortably as possible? No. And it's a perfectly natural thing to do when it's your own child. Whenever people suggest things like this, I have to ask: Would you be willing to be the one to kill them? If so, then at best you need therapy. If not, then who are you proposing should do it? Who should carry the emotional weight of having murdered an innocent person simply because they're defective?

Depends on the degrees. Generally autists and spergs I don't see a need to euthanize. But let me tell you about a kid I grew up with, Morgan.

Morgan was born normal, but something happened that rendered him barely a step above brain dead. He couldn't walk. He couldn't talk. He didn't really have thoughts. The parents kept Morgan around, even sending him to school, where he was puppeted around by a full time care assistant.

I'd consider someone like Morgan worth euthanizing.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

On the off chance you ever manage to impregnate a woman you'll be able to answer these questions for yourself.

 

[Passing Through Town]

I'd consider someone like Morgan worth euthanizing.

Why should it matter that you consider them worth euthanizing? If they can't communicate that they want to die or not, should anyone really have the authority to make that decision? Would you be comfortable being the one to kill Morgan?

 

[Ser Prize]

Why should it matter that you consider them worth euthanizing? If they can't communicate that they want to die or not, should anyone really have the authority to make that decision? Would you be comfortable being the one to kill Morgan?

Yeah, I think I would. I'd take no pleasure in it, but I'd be happy that his soul is finally free. I can't imagine living as a vegetable being puppeted around by other people is a pleasant existance.

But I personally believe in the afterlife and reincarnation, so that influences my perspective on this.

 

[Weed Eater]

I don't think retarded people should be born to begin with, aside from their own lack of quality to life, why should anyone else be burdened by having to take care of them? That's extended beyond to the parents, it's to the care assitants, tax payers, literally everyone is more or less responsible for these types of people. Even if a retard is given the best care the family can afford, what happens after the guardians/parents of said tard dies? Again, it's pushed back onto tax payers and general care facilities, and even then not every tard is going to be lucky to have that. Having kids is already expensive as it is, if I'm going to be a parent, I'd want to actually parent/love someone. Not something.

As for the argument of "Wow you're so selfish what would YOU do then? Would you just kill them?" Yes. Yes I would, granted the only legal method I'd be allowed to use is abortion.

Why bring someone to the world if you know their only fate is to be a leech off the system, and even worse, they wouldn't be able to grow into a normal, functioning person. If it can't speak for itself, have it's own thoughts, or even have the capability to eat properly without choking on it's own food, then seriously, what is actually the point?

 

[Russian Bot]

Slight PL but I've worked in secure group homes for the disabled in the past, including some non communicative members.

They could laugh and they could smile. That's enough for me.

 

[Wuornos]

Yes.






But then I feel the same way about men.

 

[Merried Senior Comic]

I believe it is merciful to peacefully euthanize the severely mentally disabled.

 

[Ser Prize]

I don't think retarded people should be born to begin with, aside from their own lack of quality to life, why should anyone else be burdened by having to take care of them? That's extended beyond to the parents, it's to the care assitants, tax payers, literally everyone is more or less responsible for these types of people. Even if a retard is given the best care the family can afford, what happens after the guardians/parents of said tard dies? Again, it's pushed back onto tax payers and general care facilities, and even then not every tard is going to be lucky to have that. Having kids is already expensive as it is, if I'm going to be a parent, I'd want to actually parent/love someone. Not something.

As for the argument of "Wow you're so selfish what would YOU do then? Would you just kill them?" Yes. Yes I would, granted the only legal method I'd be allowed to use is abortion.

Why bring someone to the world if you know their only fate is to be a leech off the system, and even worse, they wouldn't be able to grow into a normal, functioning person. If it can't speak for itself, have it's own thoughts, or even have the capability to eat properly without choking on it's own food, then seriously, what is actually the point?

This is, unfortunately, another problem with it. If the family wants to pay for their kid and take care of them then I have no right to say anything about it.

But if it starts becoming a cost to me, as a tax payer, then it becomes my problem.

 

[Passing Through Town]

Yeah, I think I would.

"Wow you're so selfish what would YOU do then? Would you just kill them?" Yes. Yes I would...

From my perspective, people who think this way are more of a threat to society than the mentally ill and disabled are a burden. I can't fathom being willing to take the life of another person who isn't actively making an effort to ruin mine. It may not be entirely rational, but my instinct is to help people who need it, not speculate on whether or not their life is worth living. The notion of them being a burden on the taxpayer is incredibly stupid, too. Out of all the ways to save money, why this? I don't know about elsewhere, but here in the States there are a thousand different things that take a whole lot more money than the disabled do. I'd cut foreign aid and defund the alphabet agencies before even considering these kinds of eugencis programs, but that's just me.

 

[Russian Bot]

This is, unfortunately, another problem with it. If the family wants to pay for their kid and take care of them then I have no right to say anything about it.

But if it starts becoming a cost to me, as a tax payer, then it becomes my problem.

I'd sooner pay for smiling laughing old Bill than some welfare queen. Bill didn't do anything wrong. Part of having humanity is looking after people who can't look after themselves.

Of course, lot of grifters ruining that for the truly needy, but don't let that harden your heart to the folks who did nothing wrong and still need love.

 

[Ser Prize]

From my perspective, people who think this way are more of a threat to society than the mentally ill and disabled are a burden. I can't fathom being willing to take the life of another person who isn't actively making an effort to ruin mine. It may not be entirely rational, but my instinct is to help people who need it, not speculate on whether or not their life is worth living. The notion of them being a burden on the taxpayer is incredibly stupid, too. Out of all the ways to save money, why this? I don't know about elsewhere, but here in the States there are a thousand different things that take a whole lot more money than the disabled do. I'd cut foreign aid and defund the alphabet agencies before even considering these kinds of eugencis programs, but that's just me.

I'd sooner pay for smiling laughing old Bill than some welfare queen. Bill didn't do anything wrong. Part of having humanity is looking after people who can't look after themselves.

Of course, lot of grifters ruining that for the truly needy, but don't let that harden your heart to the folks who did nothing wrong and still need love.

I'm not saying "IF WE KILL THE DOWNIES THE WORLD IS SAVED". I'm saying that their wellfare shouldn't be a tax payer's problem. I feel the same way about stuff like wellfare queens and the like.

As far as being okay with euthanizing someone: I consider what life would be like to be trapped in that situation. I thought about that a lot as a kid when I saw Morgan. He couldn't even smile or laugh, he just kind of made gurgling sounds. Is that really life? Is it a mercy to keep him like that? Seems more like torture than mercy.

 

[Russian Bot]

I'm not saying "IF WE KILL THE DOWNIES THE WORLD IS SAVED". I'm saying that their wellfare shouldn't be a tax payer's problem. I feel the same way about stuff like wellfare queens and the like.

Yes, you're repeating yourself.

I would cut benefits to a whooole lot of people, but not the truly disabled.

 

[Ser Prize]

Yes, you're repeating yourself.

I would cut benefits to a whooole lot of people, but not the truly disabled.

Then you're more merciful than I.

But I reiterate: I believe in the afterlife and reincarnation, so that greatly influences my perspective.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

If all they can do is screech and bash their head to try and communicate, maybe it's for the best.

 

[Duke Nukem]

On the off chance you ever manage to impregnate a woman you'll be able to answer these questions for yourself.

Just be ready for a lifetime of Sonic, Pokemon, and Lego sets.

 

[Passing Through Town]

I'm not saying "IF WE KILL THE DOWNIES THE WORLD IS SAVED".

I don't think anyone said you were saying that, but alright. It's hard for me to care about any of the rest of what you said. If you're willing to murder an innocent, helpless person on the grounds of being unable to imagine their life being happy, then you're deranged. Simple as. That'll probably be my last word on the matter.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I don't think retarded people should be born to begin with, aside from their own lack of quality to life, why should anyone else be burdened by having to take care of them? That's extended beyond to the parents, it's to the care assitants, tax payers, literally everyone is more or less responsible for these types of people.

There's a decent list of people I'm tired of supporting and a lot of them are active detriments to my country and our way of life. Getting all wound up that your taxes might be going to a person who sincerely, through no fault of their own, needs help when there's millions of parasites around is hilariously petty.