Is it selfish to keep retarded/low-functioning autistic people alive?

[Ser Prize]

I don't think anyone said you were saying that, but alright. It's hard for me to care about any of the rest of what you said. If you're willing to murder an innocent, helpless person on the grounds of being unable to imagine their life being happy, then you're deranged. Simple as. That'll probably be my last word on the matter.

I'd say not being able to consider someone's perspective indicates more derangement than someone who can, but that's just me.

 

[Russian Bot]

Then you're more merciful than I.

But I reiterate: I believe in the afterlife and reincarnation, so that greatly influences my perspective.

I think there's something after. I sincerely doubt I'll be going to heaven, but that doesn't change what I believe. Hopefully I'll just get a thousand years purgatory or something.

Some if those folks can be happy. Fuck, a lot of them are happier then me. There's something pure about total tards. They are like dogs, if treated right they don't have malice (apart from shitbulls ofc).

There but for the grace of God go I and all that.

Hey, if reincarnation is true you might end up as one of them.

 

[Ser Prize]

I think there's something after. I sincerely doubt I'll be going to heaven, but that doesn't change what I believe. Hopefully I'll just get a thousand years purgatory or something.

Some if those folks can be happy. Fuck, a lot of them are happier then me. There's something pure about total tards. They are like dogs, if treated right they don't have malice (apart from shitbulls ofc).

There but for the grace of God go I and all that.

Hey, if reincarnation is true you might end up as one of them.

Very possibly, yes. But I have to hope for something better for those people like Morgan.

 

[Passing Through Town]

I'd say not being able to consider someone's perspective indicates more derangement than someone who can, but that's just me.

Whose perspective am I failing to consider?

 

[Russian Bot]

Very possibly, yes. But I have to hope for something better for those people like Morgan.

If reincarnation is real, maybe he was a child molester in a previous life. It might be gods plan to make him live this way (lol).

 

[Ser Prize]

Whose perspective am I failing to consider?

Mine, and more importantly, Morgan's. Maybe it's my failing to convey just how fucked over the poor guy was but it truly seemed like a tortous existence and I cannot understand why thinking euthanasia might be merciful. His head was grossly swollen and his limbs had a lot of issues, which is why the assistant gave up puppeting him around later on. I can't imagine he wasn't in a lot of pain with all that going on, without the ability to comprehend why.

If reincarnation is real, maybe he was a child molester in a previous life. It might be gods plan to make him live this way (lol).

He must have done some terrible shit. Maybe reincarnation goes beyond time and space and he was a KF regular.

 

[Toolbox]

Whose perspective am I failing to consider?

You're putting this in the perspective of the purely intelligence disadvantaged. If someone is born and they immediately can be seen to have a health condition that will make them never able to actually have a decent living, and they are in pain, why is it merciful to keep them alive? I do not agree with you that it is. It's like keeping an injured animal limping around and thinking you're an angel. Do I think downies deserve to be eliminated like that's going to solve any of our major issues? No. And saying so ignores many of them are perfectly functional. I mean on the level of someone has a condition like hydrocephaly and it is too late to help them, and it does not lead to them dying pretty quickly anyways. But on another note - do you disagree that if some one could abort their child if they knew they would have low functioning autism, down syndrome, anything that could and would lead them to having what will most likely be a very negative existence in their own pov? This is a different issue I would argue, we really don't have the medical technology to detect half this shit when someone is still in the womb, but theoretically.

 

[Russian Bot]

He must have done some terrible shit. Maybe reincarnation goes beyond time and space and he was a KF regular.

Likely either Chris, Ethan Ralph, or Shadman.

 

[Ser Prize]

Likely either Chris, Ethan Ralph, or Shadman.

Oh no ralphamales not like this.

 

[Passing Through Town]

Mine.

You want to kill people who can't decide for themselves what they want. I find it difficult to find your perspective worth considering.

and more importantly, Morgan's.

The issue is that Morgan's perspective is fundamentally unknowable. If he can't communicate that he wants to die, I don't believe he should be killed. Why are you unable to consider that he might want to go on living despite the suffering? Why should anyone have the power to make that decision for him?

You're putting this in the perspective of the purely intelligence disadvantaged.

That's just the context of the conversation as it's progressed. If someone is horribly disabled or ill and makes it clear that they don't desire to live, then I don't mind them being euthanized. I only take issue in cases where the individual can't consent to being euthanized.

But on another note - do you disagree that if some one could abort their child if they knew they would have low functioning autism, down syndrome, anything that could and would lead them to having what will most likely be a very negative existence in their own pov?

I don't support abortion in any scenario, because there just isn't any scenario where you can 100% guarantee that the kid's life won't be worth living.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

You're selfish if you don't bother making sure your spud has somewhere to go when you can no longer care for them.

 

[Ser Prize]

You want to kill people who can't decide for themselves what they want. I find it difficult to find your perspective worth considering.


The issue is that Morgan's perspective is fundamentally unknowable. If he can't communicate that he wants to die, I don't believe he should be killed. Why are you unable to consider that he might want to go on living despite the suffering? Why should anyone have the power to make that decision for him?

Because what is living for Morgan? Being bombarded by stimuli you can't process whilst feeling pain and never understanding why? That sounds like hell.

 

[Passing Through Town]

Because what is living for Morgan? Being bombarded by stimuli you can't process whilst feeling pain and never understanding why? That sounds like hell.

So? Maybe that hell is worth living to him. You have no way of knowing, so why kill him? Why should you or anyone else to get to be the arbiter of what makes life worth living or not?

 

[Toolbox]

I don't support abortion in any scenario, because there just isn't any scenario where you can 100% guarantee that the kid's life won't be worth living.

If someone is born practically braindead I would say that is reason enough. But in a scenario where it's either gonna be the state or parents with the burden of caring for someone that is not cognizant of anything around them, or is unable to ever do anything themselves I would say it should be the parent's choice on what to do. I do not mean throwing that kind of choice around like it can be done whenever. You're writing all this in the perspective of someone who was not born with a chunk of their brain missing or a neurological disorder that causes them immense pain all the time and there isn't a cure.

 

[Pee Cola]

On the other end of the spectrum (no pun intended), there are plenty of high functioning autistics out there whose lives are utterly miserable, despite having the outward appearance of living a highly successful life. I'm talking the ones that are able to hold down a regular job or create some other sort of positive economic activity.

They know they're autistic, they try their best to try and pass as normal, which drives many of them into an heroing in their 40s and 50s. Would it be more humane to allow these folks to choose to have themselves euthanaised once they get to 50 years of age? Bear in mind that this would be strictly voluntary, and there'd be a bunch of checks and balances to ensure that a 50 year old aspie that's just had their first bad day in 5 years doesn't do anything rash.

I think it'd be a fair reward for their efforts. I also think it might actually help some of these people live longer, as it'll give them something to aim for. Especially if they're still in their 20s or 30s and have had a gutful of trying to be "normal".

 

[Ser Prize]

So? Maybe that hell is worth living to him. You have no way of knowing, so why kill him? Why should you or anyone else to get to be the arbiter of what makes life worth living or not?

Hell isn't worth living to him, because he can't make that judgement call. Which is what I'm saying. You keep ascribing thoughts to him and say "well who are you to determine what constitutes good living?". Morgan wasn't an unknowable alien. He was a boy who lived in a constant state of confusion and pain, and I can't think of any life worth living like that.

 

[Queenfaggo]

We cannot kill severely retarded people. Kiwifarms would lose all its users.

 

[Passing Through Town]

If someone is born practically braindead I would say that is reason enough.

Why? You have no way of knowing what that's like. You're writing all this in the perspective of someone who was not born with a chunk of their brain missing or a neurological disorder that causes them immense pain all the time and there isn't a cure.

Hell isn't worth living to him, because he can't make that judgement call.

He can't decide the opposite either. Don't avoid my question. Why should you or anyone else to get to be the arbiter of what makes life worth living or not? Why should anyone have the right to end his life?

I think it'd be a fair reward for their efforts.

Why not take it a step further? Why not just have suicide booths open to everyone? Why not just sterilize everyone so no one ever has to suffer again?

 

[Ser Prize]

Why? You have no way of knowing what that's like. You're writing all this in the perspective of someone who was not born with a chunk of their brain missing or a neurological disorder that causes them immense pain all the time and there isn't a cure.


He can't decide the opposite either. Don't avoid my question. Why should you or anyone else to get to be the arbiter of what makes life worth living or not? Why should anyone have the right to end his life?


Why not take it a step further? Why not just have suicide booths open to everyone? Why not just sterilize everyone so no one ever has to suffer again?

By the same rationale we use on putting down animals: are we allowing more harm and suffering to come to pass by not doing this? If so, why?

 

[Demonslayer1776]

We should make retarded people into cyborgs. Harness the versatility of the human body with programability of a computer. I can already picture our tard army smashing middle eastern terrorist's heads into rocks until their towels are red.