Is it true that All that atheists are, are people who have been looking for scientific evidence on why they should give up on life?

But I think you'd be hard pressed to find those people spending a significant amount of time arguing with random religious people online
I agree 100% here, typically a well read/knowledgeable Atheists last priority would be some aggressive Theist on the web.
There’s some that do, but majority stick to their specific forums, circles, or texts.


Ironically most Theological debates I’ve got myself into are against Theists, Christians more specifically.
I was thinking about that last night when I got into a topic about Duality vs Nonduality.
 
I've tend to notice a lot of atheists especially on sites like reddit or twitter often have insanely childlike grasps on religion as a whole, or base their knowledge of religion off of stereotypes.
 
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like reddit or twitter often have insanely childlike grasps on religion as a whole, or base their knowledge of religion off of stereotypes.
Also true, I don’t think I‘ve met more than 2-3 Atheists who actively debate Theism online.
It’s like it’s the only place they’ll get away with pulling lies, or ad hoc is online, so that’s where they stay.
 
Do any who claim to be agnostic go to Church or pray? Why do so many agnostics claim to be genuinely undecided but live life as if they were an atheist. Your lifestyle betrays your beliefs. If you are ‘on the fence’ as it were, you would cede Pascal’s wager and go to church? At least on Christmas and Easter? Most agnostics are atheists or pagans or some variety. I know there are many Christians who are agnostic to some degree, but they tend to identify as Christian not agnostic.

Make no mistake about why it was the baby generation, the selfish generation, that normalised atheism, ‘agnosticism’ and abandoning your elderly parents to neglect in a care home. (See below)

III. The Knowledge of God According to the Church

36 "Our holy mother, the Church, holds and teaches that God, the first principle and last end of all things, can be known with certainty from the created world by the natural light of human reason."11 Without this capacity, man would not be able to welcome God's revelation. Man has this capacity because he is created "in the image of God".12

37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:

Though human reason is, strictly speaking, truly capable by its own natural power and light of attaining to a true and certain knowledge of the one personal God, who watches over and controls the world by his providence, and of the natural law written in our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. the human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful.13

38 This is why man stands in need of being enlightened by God's revelation, not only about those things that exceed his understanding, but also "about those religious and moral truths which of themselves are not beyond the grasp of human reason, so that even in the present condition of the human race, they can be known by all men with ease, with firm certainty and with no admixture of error".14
 
Do any who claim to be agnostic go to Church or pray?
Well, I do not speak for others, but I was raised in a heavy baptist environment. Church on Wednesday after school, Church on Sunday morning and night.
You better pray before you go to bed, we don’t eat till we thank the Lord for our meal Son.
I visited Church Camps every year until 14, was apart of this little church organization for younger people and was essentially church heavy in life until 15/16 when I broke away.
I broke away due to personal issues I had, I became Atheist, hated the Higher Power that I once knew. Cursed the idea of it, generally lived loathing the idea of Religion. “Everyone who believes that crap is a lie filled moron, I can’t believe they’re that scared of an afterlife.” In time though, I grew up and realized I was being immature, and have been Agnostic for about 10 years now, though I have zero issue with Church/Believers.

Blah, blah, blah.

TL/DR: I’m not against Church, or Religion.

Off the tangent.
If you are ‘on the fence’ as it were, you would cede Pascal’s wager and go to church
Because Pascal’s Wager is fallacious in nature, providing a False Dilemma, or only two answers to the dilemma at hand.
You either believe and go to church because you believe it truly, or do it to be safe because it’s a huge gamble otherwise, or you don’t believe full send, and don’t do anything religious related.
My other objection being that simply believing in a G(g)od for fear of the repercussions simply isn’t enough to get that infinite rewards Pascals based his reasoning on.
That’s not touching upon Pascal’s Wager having hidden meanings of not even just betting on the better outcome, but truly believing in a Higher Power. How do you expect someone who doesn’t believe, to just turn that all around due to texts in the Bible, this is a question by the way.
Pascal also ignores many other religious higher power(s) with this wager, what if we believe in this one higher power only for the truth to be a multitude of higher powers?
Make no mistake about why it was the baby generation, the selfish generation, that normalised atheism, ‘agnosticism’ and abandoning your elderly parents to neglect in a care home
Here, I’d assume (I could be wrong.) you are referring to New Age Atheism, which as a whole is frowned upon by most Atheists. Their goal is hate filled, their execution more so, they laugh at a topic talked about at times by the greatest minds of history for thousands of years.
They put faith in human nature as more logical/morally correct than Theistic Logic/Morality, which is arguably ridiculous as Humanity is much more subject to change/inconsistency.


To defend myself as an Agnostic, I believe it’s reasonable that there could be a higher power, but what makes that higher power omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent? Creating the universe, humanity, an Earth? That’s not omnipotent, along that same line who’s to say these Higher Power(s) all loving, or good? I won’t touch the ridiculous argument from New Atheists, “Evil exists, so God cannot be all good, and doesn’t exist!”
Rather it works more in turn with there being some sort of evidence that if I were to believe a Higher Power(s) they wouldn’t be morally aligned with this depiction given. Religion can be positive, it can be good, it can be healthy. New Age Atheism does have its cancerous members, but to blame the treatment of an entire generation on a relatively smaller group of the population is just fallacy & blatantly incorrect, but do as you wish.



TL/DR: I lack the evidence to believe, or fully reject a Higher Power(s), a believer would tell me it’s more logical/safe to believe, a rejector would tell me it’s more logical/realistic to reject.
I sit back and observe, I can’t accept an end without rational/logical support behind it, and neither Atheism, nor Christianity can rationally support that God(s) exist. It’s too complex to rationally deny/affirm certainly, and as Humes said “A blind man lacks any positive idea of “what kind of thing fire is, “knowing only that fire is “that somewhat” that “warm[eth] him”

Sorry for the length, I apologize but I have a habit of over explaining my thoughts.
 
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I guess my answer to OP’s question would be, why are you so mad about it? If you have a strong position of faith, then you have everything you need to be happy. If you don’t like atheists, then just stay away from them.

For me, I’m an atheist because I don’t believe in God. I don’t need to justify myself to people who hold other positions, because my beliefs are no one’s business but my own.
 
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