Is life deterministic, or do we have free will?

Latex Catmaid said:
Your savior died horribly on the cross and everything up to that point was orchestrated from the beginning. From the day he was born, he was fated to die this way to save humanity and undo the original sin. I reckon it's written black on white in the bible.

There was nothing he could've done to save himself.
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you are retard
 
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Even if the world were deterministic, it won't change anything about how we live our lives because determinism =/= being forced to act against your will. If you choose to do one thing and you're reasonably sure your action will start a chain of events that will lead to a desired result, there won't be some magical outside force that will violate causality and prevent from you from reaching this desired outcome because it wants something else to happen. Cause and effect will still exist.
 
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Latex Catmaid said:
Your savior died horribly on the cross and everything up to that point was orchestrated from the beginning. From the day he was born, he was fated to die this way to save humanity and undo the original sin. I reckon it's written black on white in the bible.

There was nothing he could've done to save himself.
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He didn't /want/ to save himself. That's what you're missing. You quite literally have no comprehension of the Cross or what it stands for.

The Cross stands for self-sacrifice, of accepting everything the world throws at you without complaining, of not running away from your issues and problems but facing them head on, and if the weight of your Cross crushes you, then just as Christ was aided in carrying his Cross to Golgotha by an onlooker, you can ask Christ to aid you in bearing your own Cross up the rocky mountain path so that you too may crucify your sin and become dead to the world, all so that you might be reborn in Christ.
 
Define "free will."
There is a "you" having thoughts and making decisions based in them. So in that sense, you do have "free will" even if what you do with it is predetermined.
However, if you define free will in such a way that excludes predetermined choices, then you don't, but only because you specifically chose that definition.
 
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"In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law?
Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control; even over his own will."

the world will definitely be deterministic if you have no control over yourself and you're just nigger cattle reacting to stimuli
 
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Gutts said:
"In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law?
Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control; even over his own will."

the world will definitely be deterministic if you have no control over yourself and you're just nigger cattle reacting to stimuli
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it is not that way
 
Christopher Hitchens used to say, "Of course we have free will, we have no choice!"

If you believe everything is deterministic then nothing we do matters at all, it's all already been determined. I think the only way to live without going insane is to just assume we have free will and keep living as if we do, it is pointless to think that all our choices are pre-determined as there's basically no way for a human to determine one way or another. And even if we could prove that the universe is deterministic, what would we do about it? In that case, even these thoughts I'm having and expressing have already been determined ahead of time. It seems to me I have free will and I have no reason to assume otherwise at this point.
 
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Gutts said:
you need will to have free will otherwise you're just a malleable subhuman
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>you need will to have free will otherwise
Right
>you're just a malleable subhuman
you are acting like a demon when you say that so, you are not literally a subhuman if you have no free will, that's overexaggerating mister griffith
 
Latex Catmaid said:
Your savior died horribly on the cross and everything up to that point was orchestrated from the beginning. From the day he was born, he was fated to die this way to save humanity and undo the original sin. I reckon it's written black on white in the bible.

There was nothing he could've done to save himself.
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Latex Catmaid said:
Methinks the point they were making was that god can see into the future and folks have been blessed to know what the future was entailing at least that's a tidbit I learned from watching the valle verde arg on youtube where I was told the 9/11 attack was predicted.

If god knows the future and his word is absolute, then every event from your birth all the way to your death is deterministic. Think of it like Final Destination, except if you manage to survive your immediate cause of death, you just get a heart attack or your brain shuts down tomorrow.

Even from an atheist standpoint life seems deterministic, you can control your own behavior, but not others. Let's say someone robs the bank and you are in there, do you think you could avoid it?
It's based on 2 aspects that are out of your control:
  1. You can't know the bank will be robbed that day, you're not fortune teller.
  2. You agin can't control the robber's choices and actions.
So in every timeline this event will play out the same way.

If you take the robber out of the equation and it's just about you. The problem is you only know how you feel at the moment and humans are emotional creatures, so it's highly likely you repeat the same actions in every timelines. If free will was real, there's wouldn't be "npcs".

Holy that was way mlre than I wanted to write moly.
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Nah we've choice, it just happens that all the choices are shit
 
I don't really think we have free will as so much as our life experiences can be determined by factors outside of our control. Born into a wealthy family vs poor, third world vs first world, Born attractive looking vs ugly. We merely pinball through life based off our surroundings and how they interact with us. You can put your best foot forward and still get hit by a drunk driver at the end of the day.
 
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