Is philosophy just a load of bullshit? - The irony of this post, i know..

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I was speaking to my friend earlier.. and i brought up how western philosophy was basically the backbone of science among many other things, i also said that philosophy contributed to the many medical and scientific advancements in the west. He said he doesn't believe that philosophy is a thing and that it's a made up word, and that it's basically just "talking and debating" and that all those advancements would have happened anyways even if Plato, Socrates, Aristotle and all the other "great philosophers" never existed.

It got me thinking, what are your opinions on "philosophy"? do you think it really was what helped push society forward specifically in Europe, or do you think it's just pretentious label for talking etc?
 
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Philosophy is really important
Academic and mainstream philosophy aren't
However, you really want to look for philosophical insights from people who are experts in other fields, such as economics
 
You don't need hs philosophy to have philosophical thoughts and deep thinking.

Also philosophy is very important and influential even today think of Confucius and China
 
Every field of what we know today as science was once natural philosophy. In the last roughly century, moral philosophy has also been largely cast aside as oppressive, colonialist, patriarchal, and all the other -isms.

When you systematically cut all the useful parts out of a field, you're going to be left with the useless autistic categorization and other intellectual masturbation parts by definition. I believe that's why philosophy is looked down on today as pretentious nonsense.
 
I read this somewhere once, so I can't link you to any articles or studies, but it just made sense to me: being taught philosophy at an early age is one of the best predictors for whether a child will become successful in life.

No, it does not solve problems by itself, but being able to think critically and and approach unusual problems flexibly is a very powerful skill for problem solving.

Here's The Prince read by, of all people, Sargon of Akkad. If nothing else, it's a really fun listen. Besides that, it makes you think about human nature, human interaction, and the nature of the state and its power. Plus, it's fun to quote at people. All of this makes philosophy worthwhile for me.
 
He said he doesn't believe that philosophy is a thing and that it's a made up word, and that it's basically just "talking and debating" and that all those advancements would have happened anyways even if Plato, Socrates, Aristotle and all the other "great philosophers" never existed.
Yeah, I'd love to see him do science without talking about what his plan is and WHY he wants do xyz. Hard science was once just called natural philosophy. Newton considered himself a natural philosopher, amongst many others.
 
Yeah, I'd love to see him do science without talking about what his plan is and WHY he wants do xyz. Hard science was once just called natural philosophy. Newton considered himself a natural philosopher, amongst many others.
Yeah i mean, i tried explaining this to him.. but he just kept saying i was stupid for believing that philsophy was a thing and he also unironically said he was " too high IQ" to believe in it lol. He just kept saying philosophy is just talking and people like Aristotle and Socrates were not smarter than the average person, and they were just parroting things people already knew etc... he equated philosophy with two people just talking in a pub. I should have added at the start that he is quite stupid but believes himself to be very intelligent, but w.e. I was just curious if his belief is widely shared amongst others.

I mean, he once tried arguing that culture came before race which made no sense to me, because races are the foundation cultures are built upon.. thus a more inately intellectual and innovative race would create a more sturdy and advanced culture than a race that is less in that regard. He couldn't understand my point and kept calling me stupid.
 
but he just kept saying i was stupid for believing that philsophy was a thing and he also unironically said he was " too high IQ" to believe in it lol.
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He just kept saying philosophy is just talking and people like Aristotle and Socrates were not smarter than the average person, and they were just parroting things people already knew etc... he equated philosophy with two people just talking in a pub.
Well, giving him the benefit of a doubt, it may seem that way to him, often looks like it to me, too. Tho, not high iq. But it's weird that he never encountered smart philosophy, like newtons "Newton’s Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" :smug:
But of course he would've done better, was he born then. You two discussing this is already philosophy and he's not doing great by your account.
 
I mean, he once tried arguing that culture came before race which made no sense to me, because races are the foundation cultures are built upon.
Race is way too ill defined to make that claim. You can culture plants in a garden on your own, maybe the first ape to arrange flowers didn't get it from others, either. So that would become culture at the very point others started emulating him, people also emulate animals - what even is the boundary of cultural influence? I don't think race identity is a necessity for culture.
 
Race is way too ill defined to make that claim. You can culture plants in a garden on your own, maybe the first ape to arrange flowers didn't get it from others, either. So that would become culture at the very point others started emulating him, people also emulate animals - what even is the boundary of cultural influence? I don't think race identity is a necessity for culture.
My argument is you have the four major races in the world, and under those are various branching ethnic groups within that race. If you look throughout all of history up until to this very day, caucasoids and mongoloids have contributed much more to the earth and have much more refined cultures. Many put that down to the average IQ being higher within those two races, especially compared to say negroids who have contributed nearly nothing and have primitive cultures in comparison.

Now, one could argue about the semantics of culture and what makes one culture more rich than another, but i personally believe that anyone who argues that sub Saharan cultures are more complex and rich than those of European and East Asian cultures for example are being purposely dishonest. Also, some would argue that biological race doesn't exist which is poppycock, there has been no credible argument nor evidence against biological race other than it can be discriminatory.
 
Also, some would argue that biological race doesn't exist which is poppycock
So are your 4 big American passport meme races. The Nazis even tried harder with it. I'm also still at a loss what the caucasus has to do with "white" people to that specific degree, it informs the moniker in the U.S. I'm not informed on it, but isn't that from some bullshit 19th century "theory" they just ran with? And I still don't get why the sudden race sperg, I thought it would be more interesting to discuss, if a race identity really is the building block of culture at all, there's lots of people with highly varied backgrounds collaborating on art works nowadays. It would actually be interesting to which degree, looking similar was necessary for the first tribes to form, for example, because now it looks like that just being human in general suffices or is that modern coherence actually the result of culture which evolved on it's own, after being incepted by means of racially informed group coherence? But then, why do some people go out of their way to interact with foreigners in the first place while others wanna shoot them on sight?
 
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So are your 4 big American passport meme races. The Nazis even tried harder with it. I'm also still at a loss what the caucasus has to do with "white" people to that specific degree, it informs the moniker in the U.S. I'm not informed on it, but isn't that from some bullshit 19th century "theory" which the ran with? And I still don't get why the sudden race sperg, I thought I would be more interesting to discuss, if a race identity really is the building block of culture at all, there's lots of peoplewith highly variedbackgrounds collaborating on art works nowadays. It would actually be interesting to which degree, looking similar was necessary for the first tribes to form, for example, because now it looks like that just being human in general suffices or is that modern coherence actually the result of culture?
The four major races are Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid/Australoid. This is pretty widely known, Some would add a fifth being "Amerindian" which i personally don't think holds weight as they bridged the gap from Asia and are found to be closely related to Mongoloids. In regards to the name, irc the name Caucasoid/Caucasian came about from the oldest human remains that matched with that of what we know about modern day caucasians came from the Caucaus mountains. Thus the name stuck. Each race has different bone structures and races can be determined from skeletons, Forensics are able to determine the age, sex and race of the deceased by bone structure alone. And no, i am not referring to phrenology here.

The four major (base) races have never been debunked. If you can find a convincing study that discredits the idea then i will look into it, but every one i have ever come across in the past seems to contradict itself and push the whole "there is only the human race" narrative.

EDIT: Ah, i didn't see you had edited your comment a couple of times. Firstly i am not sperging, i am simply stating that race absolutely has an effect on forming cultures. Race isn't just skin colour, it is ignorant to think like that. And regarding your comment about tribes, early humans were known to stick to their own, they were highly territorial and would only tend to migrate if food sources were scarce or they were on a path of conquest for land/women etc. I am speakly mainly of the early humans in what is modern day Europe and Northern Asia here. And to your question about why do some people seek out contact with foreigners whilst others are more isolated, well that depends.. it can be down to curiosity, a great example would be the age of exploration.. setting out to find and document new lands, peoples, and resources was seen as very prestigious (and often financially beneficial) to themselves, their companies and their nations, it could be down to necessity, maybe there is a famine in their native lands, or conflict.. so they are seeking greener pastures so to speak.. or perhaps, they are just a solitary people in general and their curiosity is stonger than their fear. You have to give me a timeline for this, because if you are speaking about the modern age then it's a very different story.

Also please try to ask one or two questions at a time and not edit your posts to ask more questions please.
 
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It is bullshit yes. It's a way for bourgeois parasites in pompous academic cliques to convince themselves that they're somehow contributing to humanity by sitting around ruminating and jerking off, both solo and circle-jerk style, with their buddies.
"All the proles are out there actually interacting with the physical world, but I sat inside for 5 years drinking absinthe and writing a book with big words about how actually it's a human's moral imperative to ponder trees or fucking whatever. I'm evolving humanity. That's why I'm better than all of you, even though I barely know how to do my own laundry."

If we muddy the definition and equate any form of human thought or methodology to "philosophy" like some here appear to be doing then I guess you could argue it's not bullshit, but that's gay and mostly just a cover for people who like to think they're high class under-appreciated thinkers because they read nonsense intellectual masturbation by dead dudes.

In reality the main goal, and art, of philosophy is tricking those of average intelligence into thinking one is saying more than they actually are by taking common sense and dressing it up with contrivances and flowery language.
 
Philosophy is indeed a load of bullshit but everyone eventually finds a few little turds in it that they pick up with their bare hands and carry with them forever. You are no exception.
 
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i will look into it, but every one i have ever come across in the past seems to contradict itself and push the whole "there is only the human race" narrative.
yeah, there's only bad, new science done on it, it seems, it's driven by ideology, just the same as the old 4. there's def. more than 4 if you just open your eyes, going by distinguishing feature like bone structure. The "sub types" are often, not always, as distinguished as the main types and we are now way ahead of just looking at bones with genetics and all that but again, people stopped doing categories all together, it seems and when they do it seems wonky because most good scientists wont touch the subject, just my two cents.
 
they were on a path of conquest for land/women etc.
But you see how that's contradicts the whole racial homogeneity thing, do you?
The most remembered and most productive cultures were multi-racial empires. The romans didn't care about race much, adopted foreign gods, shagged slave women and so on, not much of: "Doesn't look like me, gonna kill it." but much "Doesn't submit to my will, gonna crucify it." The difference between "explorer" and "klansman" alone is very deep and it's interesting that there's lot's of cutlures were one outweights the others, the most regressive bush people are very reclusive and insular, doesn't really seem to do good for them to be like that, culturally.
Cro-Magnons or European early modern humans (EEMH) were the first early modern humans (Homo sapiens) to settle in Europe, migrating from western Asia, continuously occupying the continent possibly from as early as 56,800 years ago. They interacted and interbred with the indigenous Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis) of Europe and Western Asia, who went extinct 40,000 to 35,000 years ago.
Also please try to ask one or two questions at a time and not edit your posts to ask more questions please.
Well, you're quick to answer, I like to avoid double posting but don't premeditate much when not posting a thread.
But noted. Double post incoming in 3 2 1 ... and there it is.
 
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