Is the pro-gun movement done for?

Chilson said:
The states (and their people) have been getting increasingly more pissed with a massive and over bearing federal government for the last few decades and have only expanded gun rights along with other local and state legislation as a result.

The only places regressing their gun rights are shithole cities and ultra blue states like California, the places where gun violence are ironically (and predictably) more likely to occur because surprise criminals don't care about the legality of guns when they are using them for crime.

They are also the only locations where the people are so cucked and outright moronic that they want even harsher restrictions on guns.
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Seconding this. The grabbers are making their seasonal sound and fury, but that makes the gun crowd dig in more.

At the state and local levels, gun rights are winning. More states are adopting constitutional carry and 2A Sanctuary policies.

Plus, gun sales have been to the moon since the Summer of Love, with no sign of slowing down. In comparison, the number of guns confiscated and destroyed in Australia after Port Arthur was about 640,000... that's 3% of US gun sales in 2020 alone.

The NRA may be disoriented and scandal-plagued, but there are plenty of smaller, lesser-known gun rights groups that get shit done in their shadow. The NRA is like the "tank" of them; it draws the ire of the grabbers.

GuntPunt said:
As people said already, the biggest counter to "Why do you need a gun when you have police?" is pointing to Uvalde and Parkland and asking "If the police are incompetent, how am I supposed to defend myself?"
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Adding to this:
  • The same people who want civilian disarmament are the same people who want to defund the police.
  • How do they plan on having the cops confiscate guns if they claim that one guy with an AR outguns an entire SWAT team?
 
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in the US and most of the west gun control has become more unpopular. despite the repeated attempts by the neo liberal class yet in even increasingly in Canada you're seeing people not ask questions and ignore the government in Canada. in the US you're seeing more sanctuary states on guns and migrants.

Despite what you might be propagandized by most people like keeping their guns.
 
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LeChampion1992 said:
in the US and most of the west gun control has become more unpopular. despite the repeated attempts by the neo liberal class yet in even increasingly in Canada you're seeing people not ask questions and ignore the government in Canada. in the US you're seeing more sanctuary states on guns and migrants.

Despite what you might be propagandized by most people like keeping their guns.
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Can’t speak for the rest of Europe but gun control is incredibly popular in the UK, there’s 0% chance of it getting repealed anytime soon.

I can’t see the US ever completely outlawing guns. If the Dems’ stance is to go for full banning of guns they’ll get nowhere. There may be a push to outlaw civilian ownership of certain types that might work, but I doubt the population would consent to more than that if they tried.
 
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LetterlandMafia said:
Can’t speak for the rest of Europe but gun control is incredibly popular in the UK, there’s 0% chance of it getting repealed anytime soon.

I can’t see the US ever completely outlawing guns. If the Dems’ stance is to go for full banning of guns they’ll get nowhere. There may be a push to outlaw civilian ownership of certain types that might work, but I doubt the population would consent to more than that if they tried.
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I mean the UK and Australia and new Zealand the gun rights movement at best will not lose ground. in Canada it's undermined by rising crime, and American race riots. in Europe you're seeing places like France and Italy lax the gun laws. Eastern Europe sees it as necessary for their national defense considering the very likely threat of Russian invasion.
 
Despite the rhetoric from the media and the commies in washington DC, constitutional carry is now a fact of life in more states than ever before. Since COVID and the BLM chimp-outs, more LIBERALS have been buying guns than ever, and I've heard many gun stores are struggling to keep inventory on the shelves.

While the bleeding heart types keep crying about how evil and scary the "Assault Rifle 15s" are - the overall demand for legal guns is the highest it's been since the wild west.
 
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I just don’t see the anti gun rhetoric really going anywhere: huge numbers of Americans, including liberals, moms, black ladies etc, became first time gun owners over the past few years, because they feel unsafe and unprotected by the state. I do see gun stuff becoming the abortion of the left, a handy wedge issue that splits the electorate even as many of the single issue voters who support you publicly, privately engage in the very behavior they demand that you outlaw. A la “the only moral abortion is my abortion”, the only righteous gun is the one I just bought for personal protection against right wing death squads.
 
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No because people realize that the police are either malicious or retarded after what happened in Uvalde and Parkland. Both of those only were as bad as they were because the police were ineffective and technically they are allowed to act in such a manner because legally speaking, the safety of the police trumps the safety of those he is protecting. So fuck any sort of ban against an AR-15 or pistol becuase the police won't help me, so why should I act like it?
 
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Somewhat unrelated, but what's everyone's opinion on homemade guns?

From the Luty to the FGC9 or the various PDF documents that describe in detail on how to make STEN guns?
 
No way in hell. The 2A will be the only reliable solution if we aren't going to address the issues as to why all these psychos go on spree killings. Liberals keep thinking the solution is to guilt trip cops into dying for them while despising them and that no guns leads to world peace. People are realizing they're on their own more often than not and the mask of civility is slipping way too often now to ignore.
 
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The fact they aren't gone yet and the fact the people who want guns banned can't get any shit done on a federal level now says no.
 
Tacitus Kilgore said:
The Democrats will never take guns away because they can't. Just like they can't ban cars from the roads. But like cars they can make guns more expensive to own and operate. This is what Obammy did during his presidency with the government buying up ammunition to make it harder to find and expensive. Don't want people driving those dirty gasoline powered cars anymore? Just make oil and gas expensive. Make driving too costly. Force them to buy electric cars or at least try.
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This is the only way they'll get any sort of gun control, like back in 2021 PedoJoe banned ammo from Russia and made the cost of ammo even higher. I'd expect that in addition to this sort of market manipulation, we'll see increasing attempts to use financial methods to enact gun control (since outright bans keep failing). For instance, San Jose, California recently passed a law forcing gunowners to carry liability insurance. This isn't a new idea since for several years a few Congresscritters like the eminent Sheila Jackson Lee have been trying to make it a federal law. I think this approach will spread to many cities and some cities.

I expect the government will also try financial initiatives that encourage people to turn in their guns. Maybe they'll get tax breaks or incentives for having a "gun free household".

And don't forget gun stores, I know they will try all sorts of screwy bullshit on them (and I'm pretty sure parts of California already do).
Aero the Alcoholic Bat said:
Somewhat unrelated, but what's everyone's opinion on homemade guns?

From the Luty to the FGC9 or the various PDF documents that describe in detail on how to make STEN guns?
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Ironically that looks to be the only area the gun control advocates are having any success in as of late (outside of the worst Democrat cities and tyrannical states like California and Hawaii).
 
Some MMA commentator told me his liberal anti-gun friends all reached out to him to get a gun during covid. So based on that. No.

The whole US gun debate seems to just be some wedge issue for elections. "Want better gun laws, vote for us." Then in office do nothing because they want that reason for people to vote for them next time. Claim, "can't do anything."
 
Having not read the thread at all, the answer is no. You could have 20 Sandyhooks whereever this last school shooting took place a year and Americans will not give up their guns.

You can decide if that's a good or bad thing, but that's the attitude of every American that has a gun and at least half if not a majority of Americans who don't own a gun.
 
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