Is there any point in "self-improvement"?

MadDisaster said:
The point of self improvement is about making your own life better and more fulfilling. For you. Generally, most people feel better when they're clean, in clean clothes, somewhat fit, and generally taking care of themselves. Learning new skills or hobbies also tend to make people feel happier and better about themselves. Being able to converse with people and not have them desperately trying to escape also tends to improve one's life.

I mean, if you want to live your life wallowing in filth, squalor, and self-pity just because improvement might not get you laid, no one is going to stop you. But making an effort to actually have a decent life usually has benefits beyond just tricking someone into fucking you.
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Look at boogie2988. He makes zero effort to improve himself at all. His leg doesn't work, he has no friends, and the only clothes he can wear are parachutes and tablecloths. Even if you never touch a vagina you didn't pay for, why would you even want to be that person?
 
Just like with life, you get the option to attach meanings with actions.

Some ask if there is a meaning to life.
If your existence had a purpose, you'd be a slave to your duties.

Andrew Ryan: A man chooses, a slave obeys.

The same story flows with self-improvement. As to why you should self-improve, its answer should arise intrinsically.
At the end, you'd be the judge of that. A judge to yourself. This is the cost of being a man.
 
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People don't just live as a verb, they are not just Zen Masters effortlessly, or we wouldn't have philosophy or wall street bankers' suicides.

Evil and Jealousy happen not just because there is a malformation, but sometimes because of a lack of something, some people in this life are losers because they never explored hobbies and learned skills that made them like themselves enough to project confidence to others. This lack of substance makes them feel like imposters within their lives and their social life spirals downward because if other people see you think of yourself as a loser then maybe they should just believe you and make better social connections.

People can always learn a skill or spend their whole lives pursuing mastery of something only they enjoy. Sometimes letting go of other people's expectations causes people to chase better dreams and become the happy well-connected person they wanted to be all along. You just need to understand that you might just be making yourself happy in isolation instead. If you can make peace with that, and some people can't, then you can grow your character.
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Privation leading to accomplishment makes you a better person. It will turn your life around, or kill you in the attempt. Which either gives you what you want or gives you what you want. I genuinely believe it's really possible for any person (who doesn't have a severe disability) to turn shit around unless they're old. Or unless you are born severely retarded, they're pretty much fucked.
 
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Self-improvement for other people, I'd say no. Self-improvement for yourself, yes. Not saying to do shit only when it's selfish, but don't wear yourself out solely to win someone else's approval.
 
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Depends on how high you're trying to aim. Set your goals low enough and anybody can "succeed". Now, whether or not it's worth the effort for such a minimal return is up to the individual.
 
If you’re not getting better then you’re getting worse, there’s no staying the same.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
Life is about getting things you want. In order to get those things you have to be the kind of person who gets those things. If that means being fit and changing your mindset then do be it.
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This exactly. Ultimately identifying what you want, and making a plan to get it, is just rationale behavior and how to succeed. It also depends on how you're defining self-improvement. Is this "go to the gym, take a shower, wash your penis" stuff? Is it making a needed change in your life? "I am a borderline NEET girl whose mom drives her to a cashier job. But now I will learn to drive and try to get a better job."

I do know the phenomenon the OP is discussing. Transitioning from your teens to your twenties is a shit-show and fraught with anxiety. A lot of young men fall into two camps:

-They were awkward as a teen. Now as a 25 year old their life is coming together. They attribute this success to washing their penis, participating in NoFap, and the fact they stopped wearing sweatpants to the store. This more likely comes from getting out of HS or college, or having a job with some responsibility (e.g. that final improvement in executive function that comes around 25 or so). These guys are insufferable. They're going to loudly dole out shit advice wrought with superstition.

-Totally hopeless about the future. Might be poor career prospects, poor dating app luck, or whatever. But they are convinced that because they are short, have a bad face, or can't get a good job they will never have anything nice. These are the guys who sit home watching anime, never setting foot outside of home and school/work and wondering why they don't have a girlfriend.
 
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Lord of the Large Pants said:
If you're doing it to get women, you're missing the point. Self improvement is for you to live a better, happier, healthier life.
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This is accurate, which is why the answer to the thread title is "no". Becoming more complacent with your own pointless existence is not beneficial and does not serve to aid you in any capacity. Self-improvement is simply the denial of basic pleasures. Why work out to improve your body and give yourself five extra years to live when those five years will be stifled by you spending so much time working out?

The flame that burns brightest burns half as long, as they say. Just crash and burn, the important thing is that you enjoyed yourself before you die.
 
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The point is to get you to buy shitty books that appeal to your sense of masculinity and gung-ho Americanism, and probably turn you into a weak cuck who is infected with a compulsion to drag others down, especially anyone who might want to actually sympathize with your plight, down to your level of weakness.
 
Depends what you're actually asking.

Do you want to get in better shape? Then go do that. Do you want to happily stuff your face and don't really give a fuck about your appearance? Then do that instead.

Just enjoy your life, make plans to achieve whatever it is you actually want and don't let your behaviour be dictated by other people.
 
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