Is There Literally Anything Left of Value in the UK?

LazarusOwenhart said:
During my late teenage years I worked more delivery jobs than you can count. I can't even put an estimate on the number of people who I delivered to that were sat at home drinking at 10AM. Benefits are no longer stigmatised, when I was young being 'on the dole' was a shameful thing. Somebody on benefits was looked at with a mixture of scorn and pity. Nowadays benefits are a lifestyle. In the company I used to work for, the average British person lasted under a week on the production floor, our staff was 92% eastern european because those guys can fucking work. Foreign workers pick our fruit and vegetables, they process out food, they repair our electronics and they build.our houses. They do these things because they aren't afraid of hard work. Finding work in England is piss easy. Twice in the last two years I've found a job within 48 hours of looking for one, and not a crummy minimum wage job either. I'm nothing special, I'm not a doctor or a teacher. I work security and I'm good at it. Even that is now dominated by foreign workers. Anybody in this country who bitches that they can't find a job, isn't fucking trying. They'd rather sit about watching state funded TV and complaining about "fucking immigrants".
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Oh my. I thought it would have been impossible to make benefits a lifestyle thanks to the Tory sanction regime. There was no end of those stories coming out about how people genuinely in need were stopped thanks to various inflexible requirements by the DUP, which IDS resigned over. I even heard a few people had committed suicide due to problems with benefits. All of that seems somewhat at odds with what I've heard from you. (Then again, I've never really paid attention to the right wing press so they might have reported accurately the stuff you were talking about that I, the left wing and centrist press missed out on.)

Obviously I'm not implying that what you're saying is false, I can tell you're sincere. I just can't understand how both the benefits lifestyle thing and the Tory sanctions thing can exist in the same country. I thought the Tories had cracked down hard enough on benefits with their scroungers attitude and their relatively stricter policies on welfare than Labour. (Although from your testimony, perhaps they had a valid point about there being people on benefits who actually don't even need it.)
 
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Jack Haywood said:
Oh my. I thought it would have been impossible to make benefits a lifestyle thanks to the Tory sanction regime. There was no end of those stories coming out about how people genuinely in need were stopped thanks to various inflexible requirements by the DUP, which IDS resigned over. I even heard a few people had committed suicide due to problems with benefits. All of that seems somewhat at odds with what I've heard from you. (Then again, I've never really paid attention to the right wing press so they might have reported accurately the stuff you were talking about that I, the left wing and centrist press missed out on.)

Obviously I'm not implying that what you're saying is false, I can tell you're sincere. I just can't understand how both the benefits lifestyle thing and the Tory sanctions thing can exist in the same country. I thought the Tories had cracked down hard enough on benefits with their scroungers attitude and their relatively stricter policies on welfare than Labour. (Although from your testimony, perhaps they had a valid point about there being people on benefits who actually don't even need it.)
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No what they've done, in order to appease the ultra right is crack down on the easy ones for a nice obvious 'win' against scroungers. Benefits culture is alive and well. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind the so called 'bedroom tax'. Local authority housing is there for people in need and it's unfair for a couple to occupy a 3 bedroom house when a family in need of it is living in a bedsit. It's not YOUR house. It belongs to the people, for people in need. Welcome to that lovely socialism the lefties think is great. I lack any kind of sympathy for people who say "Oh it's so hard getting a job!" It's not, you just have to have a little bit of drive.
 
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xxXDxx said:
Nations often are shitholes, or become shitholes, and a select few become lolpastures that are essentially the nation-state equivalent of a lolcow. But few have ever stooped so far as the United Kaliphate. Is there any shred of value left to the UK? It seems like the world would simply be objectively better in every measure if their island sunk.
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Well there's a lot of old castles, they might spring back into use if things get any worse...

Jeb-sama said:
Anyone else baffled that they owned a massive part of the world less than a century ago?

Losing both world wars really fucked their collective psyche up
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Churchill basically whored the empire out (as well as the French empire as well by default) so the USA could take top spot. Trouble is the US Empire is collapsing in a more profound fashion.
 
Recon said:
The state of England makes me very sad. As a child I'd always dreamed of moving there, getting a little cottage in a simple town, basking in their pub culture and music scene. Now that I have the means to do just that, you couldn't get me on a plane for a million dollars. The way they've just willfully destroyed their legacy and heritage frustrates me to no end.
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Their culture has been based on satire for the past 60+ years, so anyone propping up those old institutions must be a dolt in their minds.
 
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Their culture has been based on satire for the past 60+ years, so anyone propping up those old institutions must be a dolt in their minds.
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English humour tends to be quite dark and self effacing. The problem with that is that to be dark and self effacing you also have to be a little bit controversial. A lot of old British comedy is now considered 'problematic' because British millennials have entirely lost any sense of collective irony. A good example of this is Fawlty Towers, especially the episode 'The Germans'. In this episode, the Major, a character who was supposed to have served in India before WW1 tells a story in which he uses the word 'niggers' a number of times.
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Originally aired October 1975,clip from 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers featuring Ballard Berkeley.
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The purpose of this joke isn't to be racist, it's to make fun of the oldschool ignorance of the pre war generation. The target of the joke is the Major himself and in general the ignorance and unthinking racism of the older generation.

Later in the same episode Basil is confronted by a pair of German tourists. He keeps inadvertently mentioning the war and making increasingly cringe worthy double entendres about it. He's not portrayed as doing this on purpose, the entire point is that he's so unable to cope with the pressure of NOT mentioning the war that he can't help but keep slipping up. Again the target of the joke is Basil himself and the greater awkwardness of the British after the war when the Germans, a constant source of threat for nearly 50 years, suddenly became a rich industrial nation with money to spend.

Ultimately, most British comedy targeted the British, it targeted our unthinking ignorance, our silly traditions, the fact that an entire generation of people could be excruciatingly racist but be completely ignorant of the fact that what they were doing was racist. My grandmother used the word "darkies" to describe anybody with even a mild tan until the day she died but she'd have been horrified to learn that people were offended by it.

Nowadays people don't look at the subtext, they hear the word 'niggers' and scream racism, they see Basil goose stepping through the dining room and shriek about stereotyping Germans as Nazis. Modern 'progressive' thinking has robbed us of the ability to tell complex jokes and make dark comedy. The last good British comedies were Black Books and The IT Crowd which managed to cling tenuously to that last little bit of offensive humour. It's all gone now, ironically steamrollered away in the name of inclusiveness and equality.
 
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LazarusOwenhart said:
The last good British comedies were Black Books and The IT Crowd which managed to cling tenuously to that last little bit of offensive humour. It's all gone now,
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I know, it’s like modern Puritanism. Could you imagine anyone making ‘Brass Eye’ now? Wouldn’t happen. Shame, because the TRA movement would be a fantastic episode. We need a restoration - the Puritanism has gone way too far.

We still have good tea, chocolate, scones, pubs, decent beer, castles, the highlands, the outer Hebrides beaches, good music, and private eye magazine.

As long as you can enjoy a cream tea in a crumbling slightly damp national trust tea room there’ll always be an England.
 
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Otterly said:
I know, it’s like modern Puritanism. Could you imagine anyone making ‘Brass Eye’ now? Wouldn’t happen. Shame, because the TRA movement would be a fantastic episode. We need a restoration - the Puritanism has gone way too far.

We still have good tea, chocolate, scones, pubs, decent beer, castles, the highlands, the outer Hebrides beaches, good music, and private eye magazine.

As long as you can enjoy a cream tea in a crumbling slightly damp national trust tea room there’ll always be an England.
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Did you ever see the Brass Eye "Paedogeddon" Special? That was amazing. The best part about it was both the Daily Star and the Daily Mail (shitty tabloids for you yanks) both ran horrified stories about how terrible it was. The Daily Star ran this on THE SAME PAGE as a story about how nicely Charlotte Church's tits were developing, she was 15 at the time. The Mail a few inches of column space away from a story with the headline "Bikini Princesses" which featured a close up photo of Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice wearing Bikinis on holiday obviously taken by a papparazzi with a massive long lens. They were 11 and 12. That's an amazing example of how to be so tone deaf to the actual joke that you become the joke.
 
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Apoth42 said:
Studying how a world empire became a failed state is important.
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This.

And lorne sausage, what its really fuckin good.
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Imperialist #348 said:
This.

And lorne sausage, what its really fuckin good.View attachment 720006
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Lorne sausage is tasty, but it's also a cop out for pussys who can't handle a Haggis.

I think there's a lot to be said for British food. Most of our well known foods are born from a desire to use as much of the animal as possible because waste is a bloody sin or provide a working man with a good solid meal he can carry with him. We have a cuisine based entirely on hard living and hard fucking work. Cornish Pastys are a miners lunchbox, a hearty meal you can eat one handed three miles down a tin mine. Pork Pies, Scotch Pies, the Ploughman's Lunch, all of them are supposed to be eaten down a pit or sat under a threshing machine. It's a shame that most people will only ever encounter these foods in a negative context and an even greater shame that a lot of people will never try them because they just assume they're going to be disgusting.
 
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