ISWV Community thread - Destroying the Hugbox

[Adach_Ame]

So this thread is as good a place as any to pose this question that I've been thinking about for a bit.

What is with the bizarre neediness #ISWV and Nick Rekieta's fanbase? I've seen a lot of strange autism in a lot of online "movements" but this particular group just feels so desperate for something to latch onto.

My theory is that it all comes down to daddy issues. Nick and Vic (Ty, as well) are charismatic, successful, right-leaning older men with nerd centric hobbies. This particular combination of traits is positions them perfectly to serve as surrogate father figures for the generation of "latchkey kids" who spent too much time on the internet and are now coming of age (and economic viability.) No one understands the downsides of a lack of a strong father figure when they're young, it just seems normal, but men start to wonder about what they missed out on around 18-25, when the spectre of potentially raising a child in the future looms over them. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many men in this age group who have retreated to "nerd" subcultures seem to spend their time and money on this cause, spurred on by men who signify the types of masculinity that they likely wish they had in their lives in their youth.

The social reality of conservatism serving as one of the primary counter-cultures in 2019 also plays into their appeal because it makes them "The Cool Dad." It sort of reminds me of when I found out my friend's dad played guitar for an obscure hardcore punk group that I was into - except I was 14 at the time and entirely too many of Nick/ISWV fans seem to be grown, disillusioned and confused men looking for direction. It's all very strange to watch and something that I'll probably think about a lot more in the future.

There's also a discussion to be had about their levels of (apparent) sexual success and the appeal of casual Christianity among young men, but that's probably a bit too off-topic.

I can give you this answer. It's cause the VAs didn't give the community or fanbase any choice to ignore this. It's in the center of both, because of the VAs, they are the ones who fanned the flames of this whole mess. A lot of people don't know what to do with this. So there will be those "lost lambs" in the mess. This is what happens when all of a sudden there is a hurricane in the center of one or more places you went to relax at.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

I can give you this answer. It's cause the VAs didn't give the community or fanbase any choice to ignore this. It's in the center of both, because of the VAs, they are the ones who fanned the flames of this whole mess.

But how does that lead us to people paying Nick $20 a pop to ask for advice on how ask girls on dates? There was no GamerGate equivalent of Nick or Vic, even though the "issues" and demographics were similar.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

But how does that lead us to people paying Nick $20 a pop to ask for advice on how ask girls on dates? There was no GamerGate equivalent of Nick or Vic, even though the "issues" and demographics were similar.

Because people have money to burn and would rather give it to Lawyer daddy to say a funny, then Furry Artist Daddy for fetish art.

 

[Adach_Ame]

But how does that lead us to people paying Nick $20 a pop to ask for advice on how ask girls on dates? There was no GamerGate equivalent of Nick or Vic, even though the "issues" and demographics were similar.

I mean there will be those types of things no matter what. Also have you SEEN the interactions between Nick and Lady Rackets? They are adorable. So it's not difficult to understand why people ask him for advice through super chats. Also then you have the times he has Drexel on, which dear lord those are the real must watch streams. Though DEFINITELY not for the kiddies.

 

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But how does that lead us to people paying Nick $20 a pop to ask for advice on how ask girls on dates? There was no GamerGate equivalent of Nick or Vic, even though the "issues" and demographics were similar.

I'd argue that Jim and Sargon were (and still are) those equivalents (look at their fanbases even today), but at the time, I'm not sure if one could pay them to ask that shit, because to my knowledge, there wasn't any equivalent to the superchat infrastructure that aids and fuels today's YouTube retardation.

I can give you this answer. It's cause the VAs didn't give the community or fanbase any choice to ignore this. It's in the center of both, because of the VAs, they are the ones who fanned the flames of this whole mess. A lot of people don't know what to do with this. So there will be those "lost lambs" in the mess. This is what happens when all of a sudden there is a hurricane in the center of one or more places you went to relax at.

There's always a choice to ignore shit my nig, especially when it comes to getting involved in drama without personally knowing any of its parties.

The fact that Vic could end up in a worse hole than he started is evidence that there's always a better way.

 

[Adach_Ame]

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I'd argue that Jim and Sargon were (and still are) those equivalents (look at their fanbases even today), but at the time, I'm not sure if one could pay them to ask that shit, because to my knowledge, there wasn't any equivalent to the superchat infrastructure that aids and fuels today's YouTube exceptionalism.

There's always a choice to ignore shit my nig, especially when it comes to getting involved in drama without personally knowing any of its parties.

The fact that Vic could end up in a worse hole than he started is evidence that there's always a better way.

The problem is, again, is how this all started in the the first place. Companies and Conventions didn't ignore this. That's why you really can't ignore something like this. I'm saying the community and fanbase were DRAGGED into this mess by the VAs, who knew exactly what they wanted to be done, to cancelvic.

 

[GeneralMint]

But how does that lead us to people paying Nick $20 a pop to ask for advice on how ask girls on dates? There was no GamerGate equivalent of Nick or Vic, even though the "issues" and demographics were similar.

Hey, people have fandoms. They like what they like. Nick is knowledgeable and funny and does superchat stuff. Some people want to stand in line for an autograph and others want to superchat. I liked New Orleans Jazz singer Dr. John. If he streamed before he died Id probably have sent him a superchat.

The good thing about youtube is there isnt a dozen markets of millions of people, theres millions of markets of dozens.

Nick has a cult following who enjoys his sass.

 

[Dr. Dingo DVM]

So this thread is as good a place as any to pose this question that I've been thinking about for a bit.

What is with the bizarre neediness #ISWV and Nick Rekieta's fanbase? I've seen a lot of strange autism in a lot of online "movements" but this particular group just feels so desperate for something to latch onto.

My theory is that it all comes down to daddy issues. Nick and Vic (Ty, as well) are charismatic, successful, right-leaning older men with nerd centric hobbies. This particular combination of traits is positions them perfectly to serve as surrogate father figures for the generation of "latchkey kids" who spent too much time on the internet and are now coming of age (and economic viability.) No one understands the downsides of a lack of a strong father figure when they're young, it just seems normal, but men start to wonder about what they missed out on around 18-25, when the spectre of potentially raising a child in the future looms over them. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many men in this age group who have retreated to "nerd" subcultures seem to spend their time and money on this cause, spurred on by men who signify the types of masculinity that they likely wish they had in their lives in their youth.

The social reality of conservatism serving as one of the primary counter-cultures in 2019 also plays into their appeal because it makes them "The Cool Dad." It sort of reminds me of when I found out my friend's dad played guitar for an obscure hardcore punk group that I was into - except I was 14 at the time and entirely too many of Nick/ISWV fans seem to be grown, disillusioned and confused men looking for direction. It's all very strange to watch and something that I'll probably think about a lot more in the future.

There's also a discussion to be had about their levels of (apparent) sexual success and the appeal of casual Christianity among young men, but that's probably a bit too off-topic.

It feels good to be a part of a larger movement, to feel like you're fighting against and for something. Righteousness is a hell of a drug.

Both the more culty aspects of social justice and Gamergate exemplify it. They also need validation for their crusade to feel like it's worthwhile which is why they desperately want Nick-senpai to notice them.

The biggest mistake next to being garden variety dipshits is getting emotionally invested. Do I feel bad for Vic? Absolutely, that poor guy has been through the ringer. But the amount of sperging from all sides has been sad. Call me a cynic but this isn't a hill to die on. Grab some popcorn and laugh.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Because people have money to burn and would rather give it to Lawyer daddy to say a funny, then Furry Artist Daddy for fetish art.

The ratio of desperate to funny has gone through the roof since the maddox suit days though.

I'd argue that Jim and Sargon were (and still are) those equivalents (look at their fanbases even today), but at the time, I'm not sure if one could pay them to ask that shit, because to my knowledge, there wasn't any equivalent to the superchat infrastructure that aids and fuels today's YouTube exceptionalism.

I haven't paid any attention to Sargon in a long time, but you're right, he did have a sort of similar dynamic. I do think that his former anonymity meant that his appeal was more of a standard e-celeb type arrangement than the personable, family man stuff that Nick does though.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

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I'd argue that Jim and Sargon were (and still are) those equivalents (look at their fanbases even today), but at the time, I'm not sure if one could pay them to ask that shit, because to my knowledge, there wasn't any equivalent to the superchat infrastructure that aids and fuels today's YouTube exceptionalism.

There's always a choice to ignore shit my nig, especially when it comes to getting involved in drama without personally knowing any of its parties.

The fact that Vic could end up in a worse hole than he started is evidence that there's always a better way.

Let's understand that all of this started because people refused to go to the authorities with legitimate/illegitimate claims.

When people take 'justice' into their own hands, it always ends badly. Just because ISWV is threatening to do that now, shouldn't excuse or erase that this case is LITERALLY EXISTING because Monica et al went to Twitter instead of the police/courts.

 

[Tism the Return]

So this thread is as good a place as any to pose this question that I've been thinking about for a bit.

What is with the bizarre neediness #ISWV and Nick Rekieta's fanbase? I've seen a lot of strange autism in a lot of online "movements" but this particular group just feels so desperate for something to latch onto.

My theory is that it all comes down to daddy issues. Nick and Vic (Ty, as well) are charismatic, successful, right-leaning older men with nerd centric hobbies. This particular combination of traits is positions them perfectly to serve as surrogate father figures for the generation of "latchkey kids" who spent too much time on the internet and are now coming of age (and economic viability.) No one understands the downsides of a lack of a strong father figure when they're young, it just seems normal, but men start to wonder about what they missed out on around 18-25, when the spectre of potentially raising a child in the future looms over them. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many men in this age group who have retreated to "nerd" subcultures seem to spend their time and money on this cause, spurred on by men who signify the types of masculinity that they likely wish they had in their lives in their youth.

The social reality of conservatism serving as one of the primary counter-cultures in 2019 also plays into their appeal because it makes them "The Cool Dad." It sort of reminds me of when I found out my friend's dad played guitar for an obscure hardcore punk group that I was into - except I was 14 at the time and entirely too many of Nick/ISWV fans seem to be grown, disillusioned and confused men looking for direction. It's all very strange to watch and something that I'll probably think about a lot more in the future.

There's also a discussion to be had about their levels of (apparent) sexual success and the appeal of casual Christianity among young men, but that's probably a bit too off-topic.

cucks will be cucks

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

The ratio of desperate to funny has gone through the roof since the maddox suit days though.

Easy, Like a furry buys art too wank it, these desperate SuperChats Buy Pity Wanks, by getting nick to boardcast it to people that would otherwise not read it.

Think of it like Advance Form of Twitter Retweet Begging, but Costs money, and you can only use it every few days.

 

[Screech Man Bad]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not

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I'd argue that Jim and Sargon were (and still are) those equivalents (look at their fanbases even today), but at the time, I'm not sure if one could pay them to ask that shit, because to my knowledge, there wasn't any equivalent to the superchat infrastructure that aids and fuels today's YouTube exceptionalism.

There's always a choice to ignore shit my nig, especially when it comes to getting involved in drama without personally knowing any of its parties.

The fact that Vic could end up in a worse hole than he started is evidence that there's always a better way.

This is the beautiful exceptionalism I wanted to see from the weebs. I can only hope this is some dumb teenager who is trying to RP an anime edgelord and not an adult.

Edit: seems I forgot I had something else typed up earlier

 

[TheClappening]

For my part, I find Nick entertaining. He's educational enough that I've learned more about the legal system that I did in formal schooling. He has cool guests, like Noooool, Lady Rackets, Q, and Drexel. His rants can be epic. He has enough eccentricities and quirks that I can poke fun at him.

Would never consider him a father figure though, or buddy-buddy up to him. He's just another media personality that I find entertaining.

 

[Done]

Let's understand that all of this started because people refused to go to the authorities with legitimate/illegitimate claims.

When people take 'justice' into their own hands, it always ends badly. Just because ISWV is threatening to do that now, shouldn't excuse or erase that this case is LITERALLY EXISTING because Monica et al went to Twitter instead of the police/courts.

Almost all of the #MeToo'd celebrities didn't sue anyone over it though, there are many reasons why suing is frequently a bad call even if you think you're in the right. Do you think Kevin Spacey couldn't afford top-tier law firm money? He could, but unlike Vic, he probably listened to the non-LOLyers when they told him his case will likely backfire even if he wins.

After this suit ends, Vic could easily be in the hole for a cool mil plus, AND, now there are countless affidavits that are public knowledge, and can be repeated and referenced with no fear of litigation.

Hey, people have fandoms. They like what they like. Nick is knowledgeable and funny and does superchat stuff. Some people want to stand in line for an autograph and others want to superchat. I liked New Orleans Jazz singer Dr. John. If he streamed before he died Id probably have sent him a superchat.

I'd say that knowledgeable has gone out of the window at this point.

He somehow combined the worst qualities of both Landau and Zaid during this shitstorm. And we're still not done.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Almost all of the #MeToo'd celebrities didn't sue anyone over it though, there are many reasons why suing is frequently a bad call even if you think you're in the right.

That literally doesn't mean anything. Because this time, someone decided to go to court when a bunch of other people listened to archaic PR money-siphons, it was a bad idea?

If he didn't lawyer up, he wouldn't have gone to KamehaCon. He wouldn't have gotten the free PR campaign from Nick, and he likely wouldn't have been invited to any conventions beyond mall signings, in 2019.

Call it a "bad idea", but it worked, no matter the outcome of this case. It's exposed a lot about Funimation, and about those who made false allegations against him.

Taking the high road was good in the 90s, times change.

 

[Adach_Ame]

Almost all of the #MeToo'd celebrities didn't sue anyone over it though, there are many reasons why suing is frequently a bad call even if you think you're in the right. Do you think Kevin Spacey couldn't afford top-tier law firm money? He could, but unlike Vic, he probably listened to the non-LOLyers when they told him his case will likely backfire even if he wins.

After this suit ends, Vic could easily be in the hole for a cool mil plus, AND, now there are countless affidavits that are public knowledge, and can be repeated and referenced with no fear of litigation.

I'd say that knowledgeable has gone out of the window at this point.

He somehow combined the worst qualities of both Landau and Zaid during this shitstorm. And we're still not done.

So what you are saying is don't fight. That's a very defeatist mentality, mate. Like seriously, he sued, BECAUSE the opposing party gave him no other option. You're right, most don't sue, some commit suicide over this. Yes, yes, hilarious laughing bit. But the scary ones are the ones that don't give you any indications before they end it all. You are quite honestly if I'm going to be frank with you. You are coming across as a person that is a tad ignorant to the facts of these types of things. It could have very well been Vic as well if people didn't step in to help support him. It's the ONLY way to fully counter those with malicious intent in trying to ruin someone.

 

[TheClappening]

Almost all of the #MeToo'd celebrities didn't sue anyone over it though, there are many reasons why suing is frequently a bad call even if you think you're in the right. Do you think Kevin Spacey couldn't afford top-tier law firm money? He could, but unlike Vic, he probably listened to the non-LOLyers when they told him his case will likely backfire even if he wins.

After this suit ends, Vic could easily be in the hole for a cool mil plus, AND, now there are countless affidavits that are public knowledge, and can be repeated and referenced with no fear of litigation.

I'd say that knowledgeable has gone out of the window at this point.

He somehow combined the worst qualities of both Landau and Zaid during this shitstorm. And we're still not done.

Not buying it.

What was he supposed to do? Roll over and die?

He tried laying low, but people kept slagging him on social media.

He tried apologizing (not for the allegations, but for making people uncomfortable) and people mocked him and called it fake.

He tried the PR route, and we get the hitpiece from io9.

EDIT:
And since you bring up other MeToos, didn't Spacey and Weinstein actually have something on them? That the defamation might actually have some credibility? I never really followed those stories, but I remember someone bringing up that some model wore a wire and caught Weinstein trying to casting couch her.

The worst we've found on Vic is that he bangs countless chicks, he cheated on his fiancee, and his pants are faaabulous. He has zero police reports or arrests. The people bringing up their accusations against him can't keep their stories straight. By all appearances gud Christian boi practices as good as he preaches, barring his promiscuity and infidelity. If anything, he was almost the perfect counter-MeToo story.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Not buying it.

What was he supposed to do? Roll over and die?

He tried laying low, but people kept slagging him on social media.

He tried apologizing (not for the allegations, but for making people uncomfortable) and people mocked him and called it fake.

He tried the PR route, and we get the hitpiece from io9.

You're doing that whole emotional investment thing. If Vic does end up losing everything on TCPA then, yes - the best decision would have been to roll over and "die" (i.e, retire with his substantial wealth or find a new job in a new field) unless he thinks that furthering the cause is worth the cost and Streisand affecting the accusations.

 

[TheClappening]

You're doing that whole emotional investment thing. If Vic does end up losing everything on TCPA then, yes - the best decision would have been to roll over and "die" (i.e, retire with his substantial wealth or find a new job in a new field) unless he thinks that furthering the cause is worth the cost and Streisand affecting the accusations.

I'll admit I want to Vic to win, both because I think he's a genuinely good man who's been wronged and that the defendants range from insufferable to downright evil asshats. It helps that Vic is, in the context of KF mocking, boring as fuck, while KickVic give nonstop laughs.

That aside, let's ask this. We've seen what the lawsuit has brought so far. We have guesses what might happen.

But what happens if he did nothing? He loses KamehaCon and Bubbafest. Maybe even Matsuri. All the minor venues and signings. He's separated from his fans save Unlocked, and who knows, maybe David Vincent might've caved and delisted him if he thought Vic was guilty enough to not fight back. The only narrative that comes out is the anti-Vic ones. We don't get the ridiculous jellybean story or wifebeater Ron. Vic would've died in a dark corner somewhere, maybe literally. And, years from now, you think he'd be getting roles and invites again? He'd be persona non grata as the man who rapes women and diddles children... which must be true since he never contradicted that narrative.

At least now he can still connect with fans, and he's gotten con invites.