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[BSV]

You also state "harass them with a camera", and the legal response to this is that filming individuals or anyone at all on a public street is perfectly legal because it is in public, if the person being filmed doesn't like it then they need to do what they can to get away from the person filming them or take available legal recourse, like calling the police or getting a restraining order or something, not charging the person in question

I think USA is really unique in a way when it comes to camera harassment. I am pretty sure most countries in europe don't allow you to stalk people with a camera just because they are in public.

What basis do you have for assuming you'd have been arrested for assault? If you had imminent fear for your personal safety and had some sort of proof that they'd been provoking you (like, say, a video recording of it) then why would you have anything to fear? That's an easy case if you live in a remotely civilized part of the world

You wouldn't have as long as you used justifiable force and felt you were in danger of being hurt. That's what you're missing. If someone "assaults you" then you have the right to defend yourself, unless you're in Japan or one or two other non third world countries outside of Europe. This is the general rule on it.

No mental gymnastics here, you're talking a lot about this but you don't even know what you can and can't do as you've just shown.

I think my situation is pretty comparable with the "danger" level. Communist screaming racist in your face and whatnot. The police would maybe tell them to move. But if anyone from either side would do anything physical. They would be arrested right there. Someone being too close to you would not count as any excuse what so ever.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I think USA is really unique in a way when it comes to camera harassment. I am pretty sure most countries in europe don't allow you to stalk people with a camera just because they are in public.

Europe is worse. Paparrazzi kill people.

 

[Barbarus]

People really don't seem to understand assault, sometimes it's not helpful with the wording of different legislation. Most have "Assault and battery". Usually the battery being the physical side whilst the assault being the 'emotional' or 'feeling' side, if that's even the right way to put it. You can be "assaulted" without getting touched.

Ralph getting in your face after assaulting people before, being a convicted felon, routinely saying how he'll kick your ass if he ever meets you. If you're standing there and he suddenly rushes up to you and immediately pushes his way into your personal space, if you are 'in fear' of there being unlawful physical force placed on you, you can even strike him first as a pre-emptive strike.

Obviously legislation changes from place to place but I feel a lot of people who are discussing this have never even been in a fight before. You are not always arrested for hitting someone. You are not always arrested for every crime. It doesn't always go to court. Police don't want pointless shitty files a lot of the time when they will spend hours working on it just for someone to get a verbal warning about their behaviour.

Depends on where you are really, Assault in most countries tends to be the main thing, which is very broad and changes where you are so I've heard. In most parts of Europe its an act in which someone causes knowing or unknowingly, harm to another party then Battery is included under that.

I think my situation is pretty comparable with the "danger" level. Communist screaming racist in your face and whatnot. The police would maybe tell them to move. But if anyone from either side would do anything physical. They would be arrested right there. Someone being too close to you would not count as any excuse what so ever.

You're not understanding this. Also this sounds like a totally different scenario where police are under instructions to pull over anyone causing any form of violence whatsoever, in a totally different setting to a somewhere normal.

 

[urr13 account]

Nevermind a fight where ralph has his back to Dan and isn't even aware of him closing in.

this isn't what happened.... Ralph was facing him at the start of the fight.

 

[Sneedlerino]

If you start punching someone for confronting you when you stalk them with a video camera you are a fucking idiot. That is not self defense. That is assault.

Shouldn't you be in the DSP forum or something?

 

[Angry Shoes]

Like said before, I don't like or support Ralph. He's the type of person I think is a cancerous blight on society that should be expunged

Cool I was wondering how you personally felt about him

 

[BSV]

You're not understanding this. Also this sounds like a totally different scenario where police are under instructions to pull over anyone causing any form of violence whatsoever, in a totally different setting to a somewhere normal.

It may be a cultural difference. Someone being to close to you saying stupid shit have never in any context made it ok to punch them where I am from.

 

[Sneedlerino]

I think USA is really unique in a way when it comes to camera harassment. I am pretty sure most countries in europe don't allow you to stalk people with a camera just because they are in public.

It's. Not. Fucking. Stalking.

You don't know what that word means. Stop using it. No where in the US or Europe would even consider that as stalking. Shut the fuck up with that shit. You sound like a faggot. Stalking requires a pattern of behavior. Not an isolated incident. Now shut the fuck up.

 

[Barbarus]

It may be a cultural difference. Someone being to close to you saying stupid shit have never in any context made it ok to punch them where I am from.

It's not about talking shit and being close, it's about aggression, take the blinders off for a moment and read what's been said. Things are the same all over Scandinavia, northern and western Europe I know this because I've dealt with it. Flying round a corner In a hostile manner, shouting, goading and clearly doing something to make both cameras swing violently prior to the first hit is not "getting close and saying stupid shit"

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

It may be a cultural difference. Someone being to close to you saying stupid shit have never in any context made it ok to punch them where I am from.

go away

 

[ImJustHereForShoeJosh]

this isn't what happened.... Ralph was facing him at the start of the fight.

I guess we're living in two different realities because the one I'm in has Ralph on video approaching Cog to confront him, unaware that a giant british gorilla is following him.

Nevermind the fact that Cog himself said he started the fight first by punching Ralph so unless there was some missing audio in both of the videos where Cog politely informed Ralph that Dan was going to beat his brakes off before Cog threw his first punch, I don't know what universe you're living but welcome to ours enjoy your stay.

By the way the pic is my eh-vuh-dense. You see the bald gorilla beside ralph there.

 

[DumbDude42]

Someone being to close to you saying stupid shit have never in any context made it ok to punch them where I am from.

theres a difference between someone just talking shit, and someone actually physically threatening you.
if you legitimately and reasonably believe that he is about to attack you, then you can punch first and ask questions later.

 

[BSV]

It's not about talking shit and being close, it's about aggression, take the blinders off for a moment and read what's been said. Things are the same all over Scandinavia, northern and western Europe I know this because I've dealt with it. Flying round a corner In a hostile manner, shouting, goading and clearly doing something to make both cameras swing violently prior to the first hit is not "getting close and saying stupid shit"

I saw the video, Your interpretation of it is mad. The only part where it wasn't bad videography from cogs side was when he punched ralph. Ralph flying around a corner violently!? are you even listening to youself. Well It doesn't even matter It's not even a big issue. It's been fun arguing with you.

 

[ImJustHereForShoeJosh]

Cool I was wondering how you personally felt about him

Just trying to avoid kicking the hive of retards that surrounds a lot of this. Unfortunately we live in a day and age where unpopular opinions get you publicly lynched, but I think we're all aware of that considering where we are..

 

[smellybutthole]

I think USA is really unique in a way when it comes to camera harassment. I am pretty sure most countries in europe don't allow you to stalk people with a camera just because they are in public.

What cog did isn't really harassment or really any worse than what tabloid newspapers do to celebs on a daily basis.
Ralph invited them. They called his bluff, showed up and proceeded to film him in a public space. Ralph at the same time was streaming himself and members of the general public.
If cog is in the wrong for filming Ralph then Ralph is in the wrong too.

The only part that is fuzzy really is who initiated the physical part. Retards are saying cog admits punching first so cog initiated.
That's not how it works. It might have been wrong for cog to punch Ralph but if he can argue that Ralph's long history of physical altercations made him fearful for his safety anywhere sane would give him a very minor punishment (i.e. don't go within 100 miles of Ralph) and that would be the end of it.

 

[Barbarus]

I saw the video, Your interpretation of it is mad. The only part where it wasn't bad videography from cogs side was when he punched ralph. Ralph flying around a corner violently!? are you even listening to youself. Well It doesn't even matter It's not even a big issue. It's been fun arguing with you.

I never said violently, I said in a hostile manner. Are you even reading what I'm saying?

I watched the video, and I don't know how you can say the camera wasn't bad when as soon as Ralph gets in arm length the cameras go all over the place. If you can say Ralph was not hostile then you're an absolute fucking retard man. Tried to explain it to you even if its a small matter but you're helpless.

 

[ImJustHereForShoeJosh]

What cog did isn't really harassment or really any worse than what tabloid newspapers do to celebs on a daily basis.
Ralph invited them. They called his bluff, showed up and proceeded to film him in a public space.

Do Paparazzi's say out loud how they're going to follow you until they can get somewhere private to press you?

I get your point, but there's so much shit that Cog has done leading up to this that honestly both parties look like shit which is why nothing will/should come from it on either side.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

imagine moralfagging for ethan ralph

 

[Conan Spedogawa]

I agree that it wasn't anything extreme like 1 guy fighting 2 fighter's off at the same time but these aren't professionals, in any fight one good punch can mean the world. That's not even considering the effects of having to read/react to two fighters.

I get that he wasn't involved with scuffle 2, 3, and 4. But if the first rumble (the unfair one) is the one where ralph get's a concussion then it doesn't matter how fair the rest of it is. The rest of the fight, he is half as capable as he was before the concussion, and when you're fighting at half of Ralph's normal fighting capabilities you're essentially fighting like a retarded obese toddler.

Now, if you'd like to say Ralph was retarded for reengaging? Yea sure 100%. I think his best outcome was to back off and mock them after getting the first beating. He could of recorded Big man Dan and laughed at Cog for needing to bring a pub brawler to a street fight for protection. Could of just went on and on about how cog's a pussy, but he didn't, and instead pretended like he had a chance just to get ragdolled.

Ralph has no fighting capabilities. He just gets beat on and the layers of fat protect his vitals. Hes like one of those inflatable clown punching toys.

 

[smellybutthole]

Do Paparazzi's say out loud how they're going to follow you until they can get somewhere private to press you?

Maybe if they have a beef with someone that has publically invited them to come and discuss the beef.
Confronting someone with a big mouth to ask them to explain why they've been trying to fuck up your life isn't a crime.
You'd confront a nonce looking guy that's hanging around your kids school wouldn't you?

I get your point, but there's so much shit that Cog has done leading up to this that honestly both parties look like shit which is why nothing will/should come from it on either side.

And so has Ralph. He's told people to come and get some if they think they are up to it. He's fucked with people's lives. He's threatened to kill people if legally possible.
Don't get me wrong. Cog is a fucking idiot. Doing what he did hasn't resolved the situation. If anything Ralph is going to try even harder to fuck with him after this.

If you think confronting a guy that has told you to come and get him is so out of order I'm sorry but your brain is broken. Ralph asked for it and he got it.
The only negative is that Ralph didn't learn that goading people online might result in getting fucked up IRL.