It’s time to admit that genes are not the blueprint for life - The view of biology often presented to the public is oversimplified and out of date. Scientists

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It’s time to admit that genes are not the blueprint for life

The view of biology often presented to the public is oversimplified and out of date. Scientists must set the record straight, argues a new book.
For too long, scientists have been content in espousing the lazy metaphor of living systems operating simply like machines, says science writer Philip Ball in How Life Works. Yet, it’s important to be open about the complexity of biology — including what we don’t know — because public understanding affects policy, health care and trust in science. “So long as we insist that cells are computers and genes are their code,” writes Ball, life might as well be “sprinkled with invisible magic”. But, reality “is far more interesting and wonderful”, as he explains in this must-read user’s guide for biologists and non-biologists alike.

When the human genome was sequenced in 2001, many thought that it would prove to be an ‘instruction manual’ for life. But the genome turned out to be no blueprint. In fact, most genes don’t have a pre-set function that can be determined from their DNA sequence.

Instead, genes’ activity — whether they are expressed or not, for instance, or the length of protein that they encode — depends on myriad external factors, from the diet to the environment in which the organism develops. And each trait can be influenced by many genes. For example, mutations in almost 300 genes have been identified as indicating a risk that a person will develop schizophrenia.

It’s therefore a huge oversimplification, notes Ball, to say that genes cause this trait or that disease. The reality is that organisms are extremely robust, and a particular function can often be performed even when key genes are removed. For instance, although the HCN4 gene encodes a protein that acts as the heart’s primary pacemaker, the heart retains its rhythm even if the gene is mutated1.

Another metaphor that Ball criticizes is that of a protein with a fixed shape binding to its target being similar to how a key fits into a lock. Many proteins, he points out, have disordered domains — sections whose shape is not fixed, but changes constantly.

This “fuzziness and imprecision” is not sloppy design, but an essential feature of protein interactions. Being disordered makes proteins “versatile communicators”, able to respond rapidly to changes in the cell, binding to different partners and transmitting different signals depending on the circumstance. For example, the protein aconitase can switch from metabolizing sugar to promoting iron intake to red blood cells when iron is scarce. Almost 70% of protein domains might be disordered.

Classic views of evolution should also be questioned. Evolution is often regarded as “a slow affair of letting random mutations change one amino acid for another and seeing what effect it produces”. But in fact, proteins are typically made up of several sections called modules — reshuffling, duplicating and tinkering with these modules is a common way to produce a useful new protein.

Later in the book, Ball grapples with the philosophical question of what makes an organism alive. Agency — the ability of an organism to bring about change to itself or its environment to achieve a goal — is the author’s central focus. Such agency, he argues, is attributable to whole organisms, not just to their genomes. Genes, proteins and processes such as evolution don’t have goals, but a person certainly does. So, too, do plants and bacteria, on more-simple levels — a bacterium might avoid some stimuli and be drawn to others, for instance. Dethroning the genome in this way contests the current standard thinking about biology, and I think that such a challenge is sorely needed.

Ball is not alone in calling for a drastic rethink of how scientists discuss biology. There has been a flurry of publications in this vein in the past year, written by me and others2–4. All outline reasons to redefine what genes do. All highlight the physiological processes by which organisms control their genomes. And all argue that agency and purpose are definitive characteristics of life that have been overlooked in conventional, gene-centric views of biology.

This burst of activity represents a frustrated thought that “it is time to become impatient with the old view”, as Ball says. Genetics alone cannot help us to understand and treat many of the diseases that cause the biggest health-care burdens, such as schizophrenia, cardiovascular diseases and cancer. These conditions are physiological at their core, the author points out — despite having genetic components, they are nonetheless caused by cellular processes going awry. Those holistic processes are what we must understand, if we are to find cures.

Ultimately, Ball concludes that “we are at the beginning of a profound rethinking of how life works”. In my view, beginning is the key word here. Scientists must take care not to substitute an old set of dogmas with a new one. It’s time to stop pretending that, give or take a few bits and pieces, we know how life works. Instead, we must let our ideas evolve as more discoveries are made in the coming decades. Sitting in uncertainty, while working to make those discoveries, will be biology’s great task for the twenty-first century.
 
Having a PhD doesn't mean someone is a genius. It just means he managed to get through grad school. Did you ever hear of a guy named Gerry Bouw? Probably not. He's got a PhD in astronomy from Case Western Reserve, not exactly a charm school. He's also written a book about how heliocentrism is wrong because the Bible says the Earth is the center of the universe. We've know that one is wrong since Galileo pointed his telescope at Jupiter back in 1610. Michael Behe got his PhD in Biochemistry from UPenn but discounts Evolution on the basis that some biological systems are so complex that they can't possibly have evolved naturally. Not to mention, Dr. Behe said that, yes, astrology can in fact be considered science in his testimony during the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial. David Irving, while never completing a degree, was a renowned historian until he became an outspoken Holocaust denier. Steven Jones has a PhD in Physics from Vanderbilt and is a proponent of the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center theory.

The scary thing isn't that people who don't understand what academics do or what they find or what it means. The scary thing is when people who have studied a subject and know better throw reason and evidence and the scientific method out the window because the finding s don't mesh with a personal or religious idea or a bias they already have.
 
Yes, the article is an oversimplification, they always are. The thesis though, that genes really aren't everything, stands.
The article is written by a man who has beef with Dawkins' "The Selfish Gene". He wants a Third Position (lol) on evolution and the function of systems, but he is a Lamarckian at heart. This is ultimately a debate on whether Darwin's hereditarianism is right, or acquired traits are. The article discusses the role of choice and free will, which leads to questions such as: why do we make those choices? Why do some people make different choices than others? What explains the difference?
The tranny thing comes from people on A&N being retards obsessed with culture war bullshit. Yes, a retard with an agenda can easily come away with a gross misunderstanding of genetics to argue for their bullshit, just like a retard with an agenda can easily take a gross misunderstanding of genetics to argue against any nuance and complexity in behavioral development. Like seriously, just because life is more complex than "gene A encodes behavior A" doesn't mean the trannies won.
Noble's book was mentioned ITT. He discusses how kindness and violence don't have genes or a genetics basis behind them; that it's purely by choice. Even though altruism, violence, and communal thought have a genetic basis.
Basically. I've read the article 3 times now and it didn't even hint about anything about trannies or anything broadly racial. It just seems to be saying that environmental factors affects gene expression and the public's poor knowledge on how genetics actually works vs their belief that it is some sort of deterministic force akin to a materialistic karma or fate. There's nothing about trannies or niggers in the article at all, yet somehow people on A&N end up talking about them for no reason. And the dumb bitch drinking some unknown fluid from a test tube but making fun of retards is why this site exists.
The article and book it references, as well as the author's own, really does take a Blank Slatists view, even when Noble knows how the heart works and what its function is. If genes aren't a blueprint for anything, and free will does, we go right back to Enlightenment thinking on what, exactly,gave us free will.
 
I know of a guy who drank pH down because it was in a bottle labelled 'XXX' on a shelf full of chemicals and dude thought it was booze. He burnt a hole through his esophagus and almost died. Not the brightest person around.
My husband had a colleague that was mouth pipetting some kind of acid one day, an older guy, he'd been doing this his whole life, and refused to stop. Except this time, it went wrong, and he lost some teeth and a lot of tongue. Sheer hubris.
 
The article is written by a man who has beef with Dawkins' "The Selfish Gene".
Because it's really not that great of a book scientifically.
What explains the difference?
Free will. Or if you're talking about why someone would choice one option on average; polygene-environment interaction. Ask literally any neuroscientist and they'll tell you that.
Even though altruism, violence, and communal thought have a genetic basis.
If you're talking free will, yes, it is largely choice. You chose whether, in this situation, you want to be an asshole or altruistic. Some studies even account for it (looking at nonshared outcomes despite shared genetics and environment).

If you're talking predispositions, it's more complex. Again, literally no one serious considers the gene in isolation when talking about such things. Literally no one serious looks at single gene candidates for anything psychological anymore. Even when you get to the biochemical, mechanistic level, things are infinitely more complicated and infinite more plastic than "one gene do one thing." People talk about environmental interaction from the level of behavior to neural systems to even the single cell.
 
Well no shit, it’s complicated. Anyone who thought we’d sequence the genome and its all be laid out like a nice Hayes manual must have been very naive. Biology is fuzzy. It is networked and it is complex. But it’s all there in rhe genes. We just need much better computing power to crunch it AND we need to ditch the scientist and political correctness.
 
ITT: People with no background in biology pretend to understand genetics so they can get mad that an article that really is explaining accepted science is somehow promoting transgenderism.
I'm just surprised it wasn't some communist neo-lysenkoist screed, that retarded shit has seen a real resurgence in the last few years.
 
Because it's really not that great of a book scientifically.

Free will. Or if you're talking about why someone would choice one option on average; polygene-environment interaction. Ask literally any neuroscientist and they'll tell you that.
So it IS genetics.
If you're talking free will, yes, it is largely choice. You chose whether, in this situation, you want to be an asshole or altruistic. Some studies even account for it (looking at nonshared outcomes despite shared genetics and environment).
And why do certain groups make those choices? Why are certain people individualistic, and others communal?
If you're talking predispositions, it's more complex. Again, literally no one serious considers the gene in isolation when talking about such things. Literally no one serious looks at single gene candidates for anything psychological anymore. Even when you get to the biochemical, mechanistic level, things are infinitely more complicated and infinite more plastic than "one gene do one thing." People talk about environmental interaction from the level of behavior to neural systems to even the single cell.
The books written by the man who wrote the article is arguing that genes don't do much yet free will does. Yet he doesn't explain why, exactly, we have free will and why certain people make different choices than others.
 
So it IS genetics.

And why do certain groups make those choices? Why are certain people individualistic, and others communal?

The books written by the man who wrote the article is arguing that genes don't do much yet free will does. Yet he doesn't explain why, exactly, we have free will and why certain people make different choices than others.
The reality is that it’s complex. Some stuff is pure nurture and some pure nature but most is a mix. Someone who has a dodgy ApoE allele is more likely to get Alzheimer’s and someone with certain MAOI alleys is more likely to exhibit impulsive and violent behaviour. But some with that dodgy allele don’t get it. Amd we still have free will and behaviour should be modifiable to a point. IQ is set at birth within a range. You can depress that actual value with abuse or neglect or increase it with good upbringing and diet but you’ll stay within your range. So again, nurture and choice on a background of genetics.

I’m never going to be a basketballer because I’m short but it’s my choice to be fit or sit and get obese. We all have a set genetic background. Some it is is absolute and most of it allows tweaks within a range. This sort of stuff doesn’t fit either of the political narratives though.
It doesn’t fit the blank slate people who want us all to be equal and the state to level our differences between us. It also doesn’t fit the ones who want genetics to be a Lego-like simplistic biology (troons for example, just add oestrogen and now you’re a girl!)
We aren’t all equal. Not in intelligence or physical ability. Not in upbringing, not in cultural background.
All you can do is set a benchmark for behaviour in your society and hold everyone to it equally. Otherwise you have a caste system. Amd this is why most multicultural societies fail.
 
The reality is that it’s complex. Some stuff is pure nurture and some pure nature but most is a mix. Someone who has a dodgy ApoE allele is more likely to get Alzheimer’s and someone with certain MAOI alleys is more likely to exhibit impulsive and violent behaviour. But some with that dodgy allele don’t get it. Amd we still have free will and behaviour should be modifiable to a point. IQ is set at birth within a range. You can depress that actual value with abuse or neglect or increase it with good upbringing and diet but you’ll stay within your range. So again, nurture and choice on a background of genetics.
I agree. Though this article isn't the first like it. I've seen another from a very accomplished biotechnology professor (forget his name, will have to link it when I find it) who did argue that DNA doesn't matter whatsoever. It floored me, especially since his field is really about tweaking traits and about the ethics of doing that. Noble himself has quite the Wikipedia page.
 
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I agree. Though this article isn't the first like it. I've seen another from a very accomplished biotechnology professor (forget his name, will have to link it when I find it) who did argue that DNA doesn't matter whatsoever. It floored me, especially since his field is really about tweaking traits and about the ethics of doing that. Noble himself has quite the Wikipedia page.
Science has been damaged almost to the point of no return by this kind of stuff. Biology straddles the line between proper hard science and more subjective stuff so it’s been heavily infiltrated by the Marxist queer theory types. There’s now a layer of almost religious dogma overlaid on everything which means you simply cannot think some things.
This directly kills people. if theres a difference between two populations and that difference is clinically relevant, you generally cannot acknowledge it. It’s a fact that black women have far worse pregnancy complication outcomes. You cannot look at biological reasons for this (black pregnancies seem to be a little shorter for example amd blood pressure regulation is different) as yoi will be called racist. But these differences are value neutral . If a black woman has on average a shorter gestational period this means nothing in terms of superiority. It does mean that she should be induced earlier if induction is needed though. So you have this absolutely mental situation where you could, if everyone was honest, improve human health and reduce suffering. But you can’t because to gather the evidence requires saying there are differences between racial groups. Amd you’re not saying anything like ‘group x is better and all group y must be exterminated’ you’re saying stuff like ‘group x has a subtly different blood pressure regulation system and would benefit from a slightly different medication and management approach.’
Peak clown world.
 
So it IS genetics.
It's more complex than genetics. Heritability varies with environment. Free will effects outcomes which effects the environment which effects the biology.

In neurology, you find that a lot of gene expression is a consequence rather than a cause, even when you look at initial development. Once the basic brain forms, development and gene expression is guided by what's around the individual cells. Maternal hormones do a lot in patterning the brain. Certain brain regions are under-formed until they get some sort of stimuli, and the extent to which it forms depends on the extent of the stimulation ("use it or lose it," basically).

On a strictly genetic level, it's WAY more complicated than one gene, one protein, one phenotype. The structure my thesis is on is defined by a protein that is one of a few hundred genes that's been linked to autism, as well as bipolar and mental retardation. This protein has a number of splice variants which express in different parts of the body, or in the same structure of the neuron at different time periods. Its level of expression is tied to a bunch of different factors, some of which include neural activity (which is environmental), or the expression of other proteins in the structure (which can also be influenced by neural activity.

You CANNOT look at one gene and say you're done. You CANNOT look at one gene outside of neural activity and say you're done. You CANNOT pretend to understand a gene's effect on a phenotype while ignoring psychosocial influences. Because proteins are dynamic, it's part of what defines life.
Why are certain people individualistic, and others communal?
Polygene-environment interaction on average.
The books written by the man who wrote the article is arguing that genes don't do much yet free will does
Genes are overrated. I'd have to read the book, but my guess is he's basically saying the genetic aspects of behavior development are overstated (which they are), and that free will and environmental interaction should be given more consideration (which it should).
Yet he doesn't explain why, exactly, we have free will and why certain people make different choices than others.
Because it's literally not known.
There’s now a layer of almost religious dogma overlaid on everything which means you simply cannot think some things.
Yes you can. I literally have not read a clinical research paper which doesn't have ethnicity as a variable (excepting those conducted on an ethnically homogenous population). The reason you even know these differences exist is because they have been found and understood.
 
Yeah, the way organisms grow from DNA is like, complicated and stuff. We know this from identical twins. That still doesn't mean cutting off your dick will turn you into a woman.
 
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Yes you can. I literally have not read a clinical research paper which doesn't have ethnicity as a variable (excepting those conducted on an ethnically homogenous population).
I strongly disagree. Ethnicity is mentioned, collected, and hands wring over it then the next step is to talk about something like systemic racism/stress/poorer therefore etc. you’re never, ever allowed to look at actual biological difference.

I work in this field and I can tell you with absolute confidence that if you wanted to actually do work that said ‘specific system is different in black vs white and here is the reason biologically why that is ‘ yoill get nowhere. We still just about grudgingly are allowed to collect the fact that someone is of black African origin if there’s a critical need for creatinine clearance values, and that’s it. And in the states they are now sooooo keen on collecting ethnicity but do not allow you to actuallyvUSE that data for good. It’s ONLY allowed for ‘diversity’ which somehow does the exact opposite of helping create a more individualised medicine.
Just go look at any drive to improve black maternal health. Endless stuff about muh racism and muh socioeconomic blah blah and zero, absolutely zero about possible biological difference and do we need to tweak care a little to ensure people stay healthy and their babies don’t die?
 
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Fucking pathetic...
“So long as we insist that cells are computers and genes are their code,” writes Ball, life might as well be “sprinkled with invisible magic”.
Does this retard even know how computers work? does he think his phone runs on pixie dust or some shit?
mutations in almost 300 genes have been identified as indicating a risk that a person will develop schizophrenia.
"Jarvis look up which ethnic group has the most schizo genes"
because public understanding affects policy, health care and trust in science.
Its shitty articles like these why the public no longer trusts science at all...
 
While this might be technically correct, you're two solutions are to expand pop biology to two digit hours a week, every week, or turn this into a god of the gaps nothing is really true type scenario

Why do I suspect this is going to be the latter and used to advance progressive nonsense
 
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