Jace's mom's safety?

[snakesvsplanes]

I'm not a mental health professional, so I can't say anything about whether or not he poses an actual danger to her. But I will say that she needs to do something beyond taking the 'Pray the Cray Away' approach she's seemed to favour so far.

People need to stop saying this, because, based on all the given information, Gail has been much more proactive than that-- he's clearly been visiting both a therapist AND a psychiatrist. I don't know why people insist on painting Gail as some totally backwards Jesus freak.

 

[RP 520]

People need to stop saying this, because, based on all the given information, Gail has been much more proactive than that-- he's clearly been visiting both a therapist AND a psychiatrist. I don't know why people insist on painting Gail as some totally backwards Jesus freak.

I don't really get it either, that and portraying his mom with a southern accent when they're from Massachusetts.

Most of the hate I think comes from people taking what Jace said about his mom as 100% truth back before the last few livestreams which seems to have proven instead that Jace probably is delusional, doesn't understand what is going on between him and his mom, and he could have hallucinated some of what he believes about his mom. A lot of people took it as truth probably because of how horrible Chris's mom as well as a lot of other lolcow's mother's tend to be. So it's become a bit of a stereotype that a lolcow must have horrible parents.

IMO when looking at a lolcow one shouldn't take their held religious or political beliefs seriously or use it to prove a point about a movement as a lolcow most likely do not have a working concept of politics and religion and tend to parrot what political party or religion everyone else around them follows, thinking it will make them fit in better and be liked.

 

[Zenotwapal]

People need to stop saying this, because, based on all the given information, Gail has been much more proactive than that-- he's clearly been visiting both a therapist AND a psychiatrist. I don't know why people insist on painting Gail as some totally backwards Jesus freak.

^ Agreed.

The problem facing Gail is getting Jace to take his medication. Gail has done everything in her power (I assume, she seems like she's visited all options or most options at this point) to get Jace under control. Jace just refuses to cooperate, because he wants to maintain his asinine lifestyle.

 

[Ahffline]

People need to stop saying this, because, based on all the given information, Gail has been much more proactive than that-- he's clearly been visiting both a therapist AND a psychiatrist. I don't know why people insist on painting Gail as some totally backwards Jesus freak.

Way to put words in my mouth. Did I say she was a Jesus freak? No. I mentioned that she sent her son to a religious camp, which she did. She has also involved her Pastor in the situation. Ergo, she's seeking a solution to her son's obvious problems via religious means. Like it or not, that's what she's chosen to do. Does it mean she hasn't done anything else? Of course not. But it does mean she's barking up the wrong tree, imho.

Grow a thicker skin. If I wanted to call her a 'backwards Jesus freak,' that's exactly what I would have said.

 

[Soew]

I think the only threat Jace posses to his mom is through stupidity. maybe, at worst, he gets really worked up well high and cuts her well swinging a knife around but the second he does that i'm guessing he drops the knife and starts asking if she is okay.

as for the whole debate around Gail's actions. what else can she do? Jace seems to have been problematic his whole life (or at least much of his post-pubescence). she has tried therapists, pastors, a reformation camp, and medication (presumably prescribed by a psychiatrist or through the recommendation of a psychologist). she has spent a lot of money to try to get her son better and i'm guessing she spent that money because after all this time dealing with him she is at a loss about what to do to get him better. so, what's left for her to do? basically try to force him into rehab+psychological help. legally he is an adult so without getting him declared incompetent she can't do that. for us it's easy to say "send him to rehab and therapy no matter what it takes" for her it could mean destroying her relationship with her son. I don't believe she is a bad parent, she's just in a difficult situation. i do suspect she made some mistakes earlier in his life though

 

[snakesvsplanes]

Way to put words in my mouth. Did I say she was a Jesus freak? No. I mentioned that she sent her son to a religious camp, which she did. She has also involved her Pastor in the situation. Ergo, she's seeking a solution to her son's obvious problems via religious means. Like it or not, that's what she's chosen to do. Does it mean she hasn't done anything else? Of course not. But it does mean she's barking up the wrong tree, imho.

Grow a thicker skin. If I wanted to call her a 'backwards Jesus freak,' that's exactly what I would have said.

Actually, no, what you claimed was that she needed to do something ASIDE from turn to religious means, implying that she hadn't, and I simply wanted to clear that misconception. It's nothing personal, it's just a theory I've seen tossed around all over the board so far, and I think it's completely unfair to try and paint Gail like some kind of Barb figure (not saying you did so, but I've seen other posts verging on it).

 

[Ariel]

I think Jace is more likely to hurt himself accidentally. Even CPL Stryker knows that Gail Connors loves him.

 

[exball]

She's not in danger because Jace is fucking stupid.

 

[A-№1]

No, I really doubt Jace would actually harm her, or anyone else.

…intentionally. Jace is a buffoon, but he's also chaotic. Accidents do happen. I seriously doubt he would ever do anything to intentionally harm his mother or others, but it's probably for the best that he not get his hands on any car keys again.

But I will say that she needs to do something beyond taking the 'Pray the Cray Away' approach she's seemed to favour so far.

I have to ask: what, exactly, do you think even a licensed psychiatrist could do for Jace right now that Pastor Faggot cannot? Do you really think Pastor Faggot hasn't been doing his best to get Jace to voluntarily accept treatment and go back on his meds? I've said it elsewhere: nothing so far has suggested Pastor Faggot is a Christian Scientist or Snake Handler or Scientologist or one of those other sects that reject modern medicine and psychiatry. Yes, his exhortations probably include the occasional reference to Jesus and crew, but what of it?

Jace is legally an adult, and short of a court order he cannot be forced into any treatment against his will, religious or secular. His streams have shown that if anything he is even more against getting secular treatment than he is against Pastor Faggot. A psychiatrist wouldn't have any more success than Pastor Faggot talking to Jace through his barricaded door to convince him to take his prescribed medication. But the psychiatrist would charge $100 or more an hour to do it.

As I see things, right now Gail has four options:

1. She can leave Jace to his own devices. This would not end well.
2. She can have Pastor Faggot try to talk reason with Jace though his barricaded door.
3. She can have a licensed therapist or even psychiatrist try to talk reason with Jace through his barricaded door. And pay a handsome fee for the privilege.
4. She can call the police. They won't be content to talk to a door.

Calling the police on Jace is probably the best way to make certain he gets the treatment he needs, but Gail has shown a huge reluctance to do so, possibly because Jace's prior misbehaviours might make the courts less than sympathetic to him. It would be best for Jace in the long run if he voluntarily gets treatment, but as soon as Gail seeks law enforcement help to deal with him that stops being an option.

 

[The Knife]

Calling the police on Jace is probably the best way to make certain he gets the treatment he needs, but Gail has shown a huge reluctance to do so, possibly because Jace's prior misbehaviours might make the courts less than sympathetic to him. It would be best for Jace in the long run if he voluntarily gets treatment, but as soon as Gail seeks law enforcement help to deal with him that stops being an option.

She's running out of options. It doesn't appear she has anything effective to either threaten him or bribe him into voluntarily seeking help. Right now she's got an unpredictable twentysomething manchild barricading himself in her house for days on end. She's going to have to either capitulate to Jace in order to get some peace or do something irrevocable like bring in the cops or get a court order.

I think as soon as Gail realizes that capitulating just means this is going to happen again in a few months, she'll make the phone call. But there's no way of telling when that will dawn on her. This is the sort of cycle of hesitation that goes on for years: she gives into Jace, order is temporarily restored, and she thinks that maybe this time it will last.

 

[Gorogoroth]

Jace seems to have upgraded his threats of violence a little. It seems more direct and sinister than usual. Is he ready for the big leagues after all?

 

[BT 075]

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Jace seems to have upgraded his threats of violence a little. It seems more direct and sinister than usual. Is he ready for the big leagues after all?

When he makes a death threat on the internet it's kind of like him cheating in the Sims so he can put marihuana on a table or kill Cranium with a camera. I mean, just as the weed mod is only the dopest thing ever in his own head, his death threats or only really tacticool in his own imagination.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Jace is a bigger danger to himself right now. I agree that Gail will eventually call the cops, if not this week then not too far in the distant future.

I assume Gail is more willing to spray her son with pepper spray than Jace is to cut his mom with a cheap Bowie knife. If there is some confrontation in that house Jace will be going away to a mental hospital or jail for a long time.

 

[Backwards Harvester]

If he makes any attack, it will be with the (un)tactikewl airsoft Deagull rounds.
Cuz ya know? The deagull is the kewlest and most awesomest weapon on da battlefield, for a tactkewl murhreen like Jace.

But seriously, I wouldn't worry about it. He doesn't have the guts to confront her head on, and if he really does have asthma she would think twice about macing him . Then again, I have the feeling she might know nothing about that. And that would not surprise me at all.

 

[Chikinballs]

Pepper spray sucks.

 

[Broder Daniel]

Jace is more of a danger to himself than anyone else. Riding around in his car, waving his toy gun around will probably get him shot eventually.

 

[Gorogoroth]

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Jace seems to have upgraded his threats of violence a little. It seems more direct and sinister than usual. Is he ready for the big leagues after all?

Yeah, I'm not worried. I was going for a little bit of sarcasm there, guess it didn't come off. Still, you know never do you. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Jace pushed his mother down or something minor, particularly when he's off his head, as opposed to say punching or stabbing.
That's the kind of thing that could push his mum to get a restraining order, and kick him out of the house for realz.

 

[Thetan]

^ Agreed.

The problem facing Gail is getting Jace to take his medication. Gail has done everything in her power (I assume, she seems like she's visited all options or most options at this point) to get Jace under control. Jace just refuses to cooperate, because he wants to maintain his asinine lifestyle.

That's a difficult area. My husband has dealt with clients who are adamant about refusing to take their meds. When this happens, there's nothing he can do except try to reason with the client, maybe "wheel and deal" a bit". If none of that works, the only option left is to write up an incident report (which is basically a C.Y.A. move to protect him and the agency he works for.) . In the case of a guardian being involved, I'm not even certain that they can "make" the client take their meds if they refuse. I'll have to ask him about what happens if/when the situation escalates. Some of these people are on meds for very good reasons: "tard strength" isn't so funny when you've been on the receiving end of a few pummelings (you're not allowed to hit back, only to defend and, under some cases, restrain).

Jace is more of a danger to himself than anyone else. Riding around in his car, waving his toy gun around will probably get him shot eventually.

The local cops are all probably quite familiar with Jace and his "issues". This isn't any guarantee that he won't get shot for threatening someone with one of his toy guns, but it may make it less likely.

 

[BT 075]

The local cops are all probably quite familiar with Jace and his "issues". This isn't any guarantee that he won't get shot for threatening someone with one of his toy guns, but it may make it less likely.

From what I gather his mother is quite careful when it come to getting authorities involved. It seems like she would sooner turn to Jesus Camp and Pastor Fag when her darling boy goes off the rocker then to any local cop. Depending on how mental he comes across and how quickly he draws his "deagle", they may not be able to tell it's a fake on time.

 

[Thetan]

From what I gather his mother is quite careful when it come to getting authorities involved. It seems like she would sooner turn to Jesus Camp and Pastor Fag when her darling boy goes off the rocker then to any local cop. Depending on how mental he comes across and how quickly he draws his "deagle", they may not be able to tell it's a fake on time.

Good point. Let's just hope for the sake of everyone involved that such an incident never happens.