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James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same
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So I haven't seen the movie, how bad was it?
(As an aside, I think its ridiculous how viscerally angry some corners of the internet get at the Na'vi). Is it because of the preachiness? I genuinely don't know. '
(As an aside, I think its ridiculous how viscerally angry some corners of the internet get at the Na'vi). Is it because of the preachiness? I genuinely don't know. '
The biggest crime is that it's boring as hell.
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Okay I just came back from the movie and I know I'm going to piss off every person here.
The movie was not that bad. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't complete shit. Me and my girlfriend came out of the movie enjoying it.
The beginning did feel cringy at first but as the movie went on I realize I was specifically looking to not like it.
Anyways I feel like all you guys are over reacting quite a bit. Like the movie isn't amazing but I found it fine and I can totally see why people would want to go see it. Not everyone views shit like you. Like my girlfriend for instance who probably didn't care about the message and just thought it was a fun movie. I feel like more people are like her rather than the SJWs or cultural war people.
The movie was not that bad. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't complete shit. Me and my girlfriend came out of the movie enjoying it.
The beginning did feel cringy at first but as the movie went on I realize I was specifically looking to not like it.
Anyways I feel like all you guys are over reacting quite a bit. Like the movie isn't amazing but I found it fine and I can totally see why people would want to go see it. Not everyone views shit like you. Like my girlfriend for instance who probably didn't care about the message and just thought it was a fun movie. I feel like more people are like her rather than the SJWs or cultural war people.
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It was a pleasant movie to watch with popcorn and a small kiddie pool's worth of soda, won't deny that: It's pretty too.
But on a deeper level, it's just disappointing with the opportunities not taken, the lack of true depth to the story, etc.
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I understand that. Their definitely things I would have change if I was making the story.
But my point is people here always dismiss a average viewer as a "consumer" and that's it. But no one here actually analyze an average movie goer.
For instance my girlfriend is the same girl that has never seen the 2016 Ghostbusters movie and loves the original one.
She enjoyed the movie and I'm pretty sure she wasn't even paying attention to the message even I wasn't at the end.
At least their weren't quips like the MCU loves doing.
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Ok I saw it. Lot better then I thought it would be. First of all Scott Lang was great and worth it again just to see more of his character. They put him in a very interesting place and they don't overtly paint him as a villain. He's got a lot more depth because he is coming to terms with being a clone in an alien body and the parts with his kid humanized him in a surprising way.
They resisted the urge to paint humanity as cartoon bad guys for the most part. Even saying that they basically try not to antagonize the navi and rile shit up when they can. Conflict is basically unavoidable now though, as humanity is going to have to move wholesale to Pandora due to Jake's fuck up.
Speaking of Jake he's a lot more likeable in this, still an idiot to think he can just walk away from being a leader but I thought the family dynamic he had was fun. He's basically pretending he was never human but at the same time he teaches his kids military jargon and expletives so there's some layers there.
Nobody in the family is annoying but the adopted clone of Ripley is... Weird. She's a half human half navi teenager, so she looks like the hottest one there but she's played by a 70 year old woman. Not badly acted mind you, just couldn't get that fact outta my head.
There's a surprising amount of blatant racism in this which was hilarious. Some of the water navi give Jake and his kids shit for having demon blood in em. So it was nice to see they are not entirely painting the navi as a harmonious hippy culture.
Everything looks pretty so there was never any unbearable moments but the worst part had to be the whale scientist guy. He was basically cheering for a whale to kill him and his buddy's.
It was solid overall.
They resisted the urge to paint humanity as cartoon bad guys for the most part. Even saying that they basically try not to antagonize the navi and rile shit up when they can. Conflict is basically unavoidable now though, as humanity is going to have to move wholesale to Pandora due to Jake's fuck up.
Speaking of Jake he's a lot more likeable in this, still an idiot to think he can just walk away from being a leader but I thought the family dynamic he had was fun. He's basically pretending he was never human but at the same time he teaches his kids military jargon and expletives so there's some layers there.
Nobody in the family is annoying but the adopted clone of Ripley is... Weird. She's a half human half navi teenager, so she looks like the hottest one there but she's played by a 70 year old woman. Not badly acted mind you, just couldn't get that fact outta my head.
There's a surprising amount of blatant racism in this which was hilarious. Some of the water navi give Jake and his kids shit for having demon blood in em. So it was nice to see they are not entirely painting the navi as a harmonious hippy culture.
Everything looks pretty so there was never any unbearable moments but the worst part had to be the whale scientist guy. He was basically cheering for a whale to kill him and his buddy's.
It was solid overall.
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I just watched the movie last night, and have given it time to sink in and to form my thoughts.
Since there were only ten people in the theatre, I was able to take some notes as I watched so I’ll share them with you all;
•As others have pointed out, if memories were the only thing needed to upload into an Avatar body then why is Jake Sully even here in the first place? If his brother was that important to the mission, surely they would’ve copied his memories ahead of time just in case. Surely they could’ve just said the memory upload is an experimental procedure, right?
•I found the Sully kids more tolerable than Jake, if I’m going to be honest. But that’s probably because they felt more like characters to me than Jake does.
•I think Kiri should’ve been played by an actual teenager. While I like Signory Weaver, I feel like this was a miscast.
•Is it truly out of the question that Dr. Grace just might’ve had sexual relations with someone while in her Avatar body? I know Cameron wants us to think immaculate conception is what happened, but I have a much harder time suspending my disbelief on that one.
•Quaritch punching out an ikran before dominating it while falling is pretty damn badass. He didn’t fucking need to tie it down, he just fought it with his bare fists. This makes him more of a Chad than Sully.
•Fuck Spyder, he annoyed the crap out of me the entire movie. I could at least tolerate Sully, even if I don’t like him. But Spyder? I just can’t stand him.
•I really loved all of the underwater sequences in 3D, which firmly cements my belief that Avatar is much better off as a cinema franchise more than anything. However, it takes too long to get there movie wise.
•The Baja blast clan looks less retarded than the forest Navi. There, I said it. They actually look like they fit in with their environment. The broccoli haired zoomer one looks the most retarded of them all, though.
•I liked the whales, but the location of their queue is a strange one. You’d think that for something as intelligent as them, a physical bond wouldn’t be necessary.
•I get that whales are docile in real life and all, but I’m not a fan of the one whale being an outcast just because he was acting in self defense against the whalers.
•Good to see that blue unity is a myth on Pandora.
•Having watched The Cove just a week ago, the whaling scene hit me in the feels.
•All the chaos is Jake’s fault; in the first film it’s because he didn’t even try diplomacy and in this one, he’s been actively antagonizing the human factions prior to fleeing.
•Why can’t any of the humans aim?! The targets are RIGHT THERE!
•What was the point of the marine biologist dude? I get that he’s likely there to show that not all the humans are bad guys, but I am writing him off as KIA’d anyway.
•Quaritch isn’t wrong about Jake.
•How many times have Kiri and Tuk been captured?!
That’s where my notes ended. The runtime was pretty bloated for its paper thin story. I still had fun, though.
Since there were only ten people in the theatre, I was able to take some notes as I watched so I’ll share them with you all;
•As others have pointed out, if memories were the only thing needed to upload into an Avatar body then why is Jake Sully even here in the first place? If his brother was that important to the mission, surely they would’ve copied his memories ahead of time just in case. Surely they could’ve just said the memory upload is an experimental procedure, right?
•I found the Sully kids more tolerable than Jake, if I’m going to be honest. But that’s probably because they felt more like characters to me than Jake does.
•I think Kiri should’ve been played by an actual teenager. While I like Signory Weaver, I feel like this was a miscast.
•Is it truly out of the question that Dr. Grace just might’ve had sexual relations with someone while in her Avatar body? I know Cameron wants us to think immaculate conception is what happened, but I have a much harder time suspending my disbelief on that one.
•Quaritch punching out an ikran before dominating it while falling is pretty damn badass. He didn’t fucking need to tie it down, he just fought it with his bare fists. This makes him more of a Chad than Sully.
•Fuck Spyder, he annoyed the crap out of me the entire movie. I could at least tolerate Sully, even if I don’t like him. But Spyder? I just can’t stand him.
•I really loved all of the underwater sequences in 3D, which firmly cements my belief that Avatar is much better off as a cinema franchise more than anything. However, it takes too long to get there movie wise.
•The Baja blast clan looks less retarded than the forest Navi. There, I said it. They actually look like they fit in with their environment. The broccoli haired zoomer one looks the most retarded of them all, though.
•I liked the whales, but the location of their queue is a strange one. You’d think that for something as intelligent as them, a physical bond wouldn’t be necessary.
•I get that whales are docile in real life and all, but I’m not a fan of the one whale being an outcast just because he was acting in self defense against the whalers.
•Good to see that blue unity is a myth on Pandora.
•Having watched The Cove just a week ago, the whaling scene hit me in the feels.
•All the chaos is Jake’s fault; in the first film it’s because he didn’t even try diplomacy and in this one, he’s been actively antagonizing the human factions prior to fleeing.
•Why can’t any of the humans aim?! The targets are RIGHT THERE!
•What was the point of the marine biologist dude? I get that he’s likely there to show that not all the humans are bad guys, but I am writing him off as KIA’d anyway.
•Quaritch isn’t wrong about Jake.
•How many times have Kiri and Tuk been captured?!
That’s where my notes ended. The runtime was pretty bloated for its paper thin story. I still had fun, though.
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There’s also Brian Transeau. People have been surprised that someone who’s considered the godfather of trance is also a classically-trained film/video game composer.
I swear, Lang, even at his age, is able to stay really fit. Really adds to his character.
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Don't forget his production work for NSYNC's tune "Pop" just to round out that credit. Best thing NSYNC ever released!
I'd also add Christopher Tyng, responsible for composing Suits, Rescue Me and more notably Futurama. I want you to compare Futurama's early seasons to the later. You'll notice the more EDM sounding composition in the later episodes, while the earlier episodes had more strings and horns.
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Avatar 2 has been nominated for Best Picture. Can James Cameron win again or with the other nominees and how much Hollywood has changed in the last decade, will it be more of a challenge for him?
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Kiwisee
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The Navi on Navi racism from the second movie is the only thing that’s believable and ironically more “relatable” so to speak. I’m surprised James Cameron had that scene in, because I thought for sure he’d just have them all live in a utopia where the Navi are above racism.
I noticed in the credits he had two other writers, so I wonder if they’re the ones pushing to have evil fire Navi in the next movie. I’ll be surprised if they’re portrayed as being more advanced than the ones we’ve seen so far; and that they’re the stand in for Europeans in general.
I noticed in the credits he had two other writers, so I wonder if they’re the ones pushing to have evil fire Navi in the next movie. I’ll be surprised if they’re portrayed as being more advanced than the ones we’ve seen so far; and that they’re the stand in for Europeans in general.
The same duo of people who wrote Rise of the Planet of the Apes and the first Jurassic World, but then again they wrote the shitty 2020 Mulan remake.
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Well, it's been a few weeks, figured I'd look at this film's box office again and see how it stacks up to the first film. Once again, I'll mostly stick to domestic box office, since there's more data available for comparison.
Avatar 1 (2009) was #1 in the domestic box office for 7 weeks, finally dropping to #2 in week 8.
Avatar 2 (2022) was also #1 for 7 weeks, then fell to #3 in week 8.
Avatar 1 had a domestic box office of $637 million as of week 8. Total international box office was a bit shy of $2 billion.
Avatar 2 has a domestic box office of $640 million as of week 8. Total international box office so far is about $1.57 billion.
So Avatar 2 appears to be doing very similarly to the first film, thus far. However, Avatar 1's numbers are in 2009 dollars. If we adjust for inflation, Avatar 1's domestic box office at this point would be roughly $888 million, which means Avatar 2 is actually about a quarter of a billion dollars lower domestically than Avatar 1. Despite having basically zero competition over the last 8 weeks, and around 800 additional theaters for most of that time. Given that its daily totals are now falling below $1 million, it's questionable it'll reach $700 million.
Internationally, Avatar 2 is about $425 million behind the first film, but again, that's not taking inflation into account. If we take inflation into account, Avatar 1's international box office was over $2.70 billion, more than a billion beyond Avatar 2's current $1.57 billion international box office. Again, it's questionable it can make up another billion dollars at this point.
For further comparison, Top Gun: Maverick was at $625 million domestically in week 8, and Spider-Man: No Way Home was at $751 million. Which means that Avatar 2 is only slightly outperforming TG:M and is well behind NWH at this point in their respective runs, at least domestically.
Also, Avatar 1 sold a total of 98.7 million tickets in it's original domestic run (though tickets were $2 cheaper in 2009), Avatar 2 is a little over 70.5 million tickets so far. And TG:M and NWH sold 78.4 million and 88.3 million tickets, respectively. The Phantom Menace sold 85 million, The Force Awakens 88 million, Avengers: Endgame 94 million, and finally, Cameron's Titanic (1997) sold about 130 million tickets domestically.
Avatar 1 (2009) was #1 in the domestic box office for 7 weeks, finally dropping to #2 in week 8.
Avatar 2 (2022) was also #1 for 7 weeks, then fell to #3 in week 8.
Avatar 1 had a domestic box office of $637 million as of week 8. Total international box office was a bit shy of $2 billion.
Avatar 2 has a domestic box office of $640 million as of week 8. Total international box office so far is about $1.57 billion.
So Avatar 2 appears to be doing very similarly to the first film, thus far. However, Avatar 1's numbers are in 2009 dollars. If we adjust for inflation, Avatar 1's domestic box office at this point would be roughly $888 million, which means Avatar 2 is actually about a quarter of a billion dollars lower domestically than Avatar 1. Despite having basically zero competition over the last 8 weeks, and around 800 additional theaters for most of that time. Given that its daily totals are now falling below $1 million, it's questionable it'll reach $700 million.
Internationally, Avatar 2 is about $425 million behind the first film, but again, that's not taking inflation into account. If we take inflation into account, Avatar 1's international box office was over $2.70 billion, more than a billion beyond Avatar 2's current $1.57 billion international box office. Again, it's questionable it can make up another billion dollars at this point.
For further comparison, Top Gun: Maverick was at $625 million domestically in week 8, and Spider-Man: No Way Home was at $751 million. Which means that Avatar 2 is only slightly outperforming TG:M and is well behind NWH at this point in their respective runs, at least domestically.
Also, Avatar 1 sold a total of 98.7 million tickets in it's original domestic run (though tickets were $2 cheaper in 2009), Avatar 2 is a little over 70.5 million tickets so far. And TG:M and NWH sold 78.4 million and 88.3 million tickets, respectively. The Phantom Menace sold 85 million, The Force Awakens 88 million, Avengers: Endgame 94 million, and finally, Cameron's Titanic (1997) sold about 130 million tickets domestically.
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This guy is one of Maulers acolytes so he's made a critique of the film that's longer than the film itself. Yes, longer than 3 hours But if like me you're laid up with manflu and rooted to the spot, it's something you can let run to see how little sense every little bit of the film makes.
At the very least I got a bit of schadenfreude listening to the opening segment or two, blasting all the retarded defences of the movie.