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James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe​


News - By Ben Turner - published March 14, 2024
Depending on where we look, the universe is expanding at different rates. Now, scientists using the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes have confirmed that the observation is not down to a measurement error.

Astronomers have used the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes to confirm one of the most troubling conundrums in all of physics — that the universe appears to be expanding at bafflingly different speeds depending on where we look.

This problem, known as the Hubble Tension, has the potential to alter or even upend cosmology altogether. In 2019, measurements by the Hubble Space Telescope confirmed the puzzle was real; in 2023, even more precise measurements from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) cemented the discrepancy.

Now, a triple-check by both telescopes working together appears to have put the possibility of any measurement error to bed for good. The study, published February 6 in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, suggests that there may be something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe.

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"With measurement errors negated, what remains is the real and exciting possibility we have misunderstood the universe," lead study author Adam Riess, professor of physics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, said in a statement.

Reiss, Saul Perlmutter and Brian P. Schmidt won the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics for their 1998 discovery of dark energy, the mysterious force behind the universe's accelerating expansion.

Currently, there are two "gold-standard" methods for figuring out the Hubble constant, a value that describes the expansion rate of the universe. The first involves poring over tiny fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) — an ancient relic of the universe's first light produced just 380,000 years after the Big Bang.

Between 2009 and 2013, astronomers mapped out this microwave fuzz using the European Space Agency's Planck satellite to infer a Hubble constant of roughly 46,200 mph per million light-years, or roughly 67 kilometers per second per megaparsec (km/s/Mpc).

The second method uses pulsating stars called Cepheid variables. Cepheid stars are dying, and their outer layers of helium gas grow and shrink as they absorb and release the star's radiation, making them periodically flicker like distant signal lamps.

As Cepheids get brighter, they pulsate more slowly, giving astronomers a means to measure their absolute brightness. By comparing this brightness to their observed brightness, astronomers can chain Cepheids into a "cosmic distance ladder" to peer ever deeper into the universe's past. With this ladder in place, astronomers can find a precise number for its expansion from how the Cepheids' light has been stretched out, or red-shifted.

But this is where the mystery begins. According to Cepheid variable measurements taken by Riess and his colleagues, the universe's expansion rate is around 74 km/s/Mpc: an impossibly high value when compared to Planck's measurements. Cosmology had been hurled into uncharted territory.

"We wouldn't call it a tension or problem, but rather a crisis," David Gross, a Nobel Prize-winning astronomer, said at a 2019 conference at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics (KITP) in California.

Initially, some scientists thought that the disparity could be a result of a measurement error caused by the blending of Cepheids with other stars in Hubble's aperture. But in 2023, the researchers used the more accurate JWST to confirm that, for the first few "rungs" of the cosmic ladder, their Hubble measurements were right. Nevertheless, the possibility of crowding further back in the universe's past remained.

To resolve this issue, Riess and his colleagues built on their previous measurements, observing 1,000 more Cepheid stars in five host galaxies as remote as 130 million light-years from Earth. After comparing their data to Hubble's, the astronomers confirmed their past measurements of the Hubble constant.

"We've now spanned the whole range of what Hubble observed, and we can rule out a measurement error as the cause of the Hubble Tension with very high confidence," Riess said. "Combining Webb and Hubble gives us the best of both worlds. We find that the Hubble measurements remain reliable as we climb farther along the cosmic distance ladder."

In other words: the tension at the heart of cosmology is here to stay.


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The smartest person I’ve ever known told me that the Big Bang was nonsense, about forty years ago.
I’m not qualified to say what they find here means - physics kiwis, analysis?
Imagine throwing variably large stones in a pond. The amplitude of the waves will be different sizes depending on where and how close you are to the impact sites. However if you are far away enough, the waves will blend and it will appear as a single constant wave.

Every direction we look there is red shifting, which means objects are moving away from us. So something has to be driving it.
The Existence of voids between filaments suggests spatial expansion.

The big bang theory has flaws in it now, since there is no evidence of spatial inflation which if the big bang was a singular point would have.
However, something akin to the big bang must have occurred because the evolution of galaxies are linear and not random. (Light only travels so fast, so the farther away something is, the older the light is.)

Imo the answer is the big bang happened everywhere at once from something called vacuum decay.
 
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What else did they say?
Some weird stuff, some less so. Germany would be where WW3 started, or they’d have a big role in kicking it (it being Very Bad Stuff) off again. Pyramids give off a form of resonance energy and are generally weird and much older than suspected (remember this was forty plus years ago, this was t mainstream then) . Soil is very important and should be nourished. Smoking wouldn’t kill him (it didn’t.) everything in the universe is music (followed by a complex explanation of vibration and matter that I didn’t understand.) a lot of stuff, hard to remember, but he was right about almost everything. Actually everything, come to think of it.
Did he say why it was?
He did, at great and impassioned length, but I was a teenager and an idiot who thought they knew everything already and I doubt I understood enough to retain the information. He was convinced everything was a form of vibration, he explained it as music but that was really an an analogy. A big bang couldnt have come from that as it would imply a state of zero vibration, and in his analogy the universe was never silent. You can’t have half a waveform or something. Remember this is an analogy, and it was a long time ago.
 
Do I remember there being something about that from the JWST as well? That the red shift didn’t look like it should?
We're stuck simply observing what we're capable of detecting (let alone considering detecting) from Earth.
I question the assumption that the red-shift observed is simply a result of the velocity of the observed object.
 
However, something akin to the big bang must have occurred because the evolution of galaxies are linear and not random. (Light only travels so fast, so the farther away something is, the older the light is.)
You are assuming that can be the only possibility of outcome even if hypothetically true. There may be more potential answers than "It must be big bang." There could be all kinds of phenomena that could cause it we may not be aware of. Big bang is just the "We don't know until further information comes along" answer.

A lot of observable answers aren't exactly accurate due to the inaccurate conditions of which we observe the things we assume or measure.
everything in the universe is music (followed by a complex explanation of vibration and matter that I didn’t understand.) a lot of stuff, hard to remember, but he was right about almost everything. Actually everything, come to think of it.
Skyrim confirmed cannon.

All jokes aside, I've heard someone say something similar years ago, doubt it was the same person as the guy I knew didn't smoke, but they told a lot of interesting concepts. He even had answers to some of my more complex questions such as on atom-model and why not all atom-made substance isn't sentient and more, and I'm in a similar boat, this was before the internet age. Wish he was still around so I could at least write down the claims, whether wrong or not just for the mere recording of the claims.
 
Situation: Science detects something unexpected or unpredicted

Scientists: Hmm, that's odd. I wonder that that means. I'll study it. It'll overturn our old understandings of the universe. Cool.
The Press: Scientists make discovery and say it's a crisis that threatens to destroy us all.
The Peanut Gallery: I love science. What do you mean they don't know? Nobody should trust the science!
 
Its always weird when people say trust the science when we barely understand it and then frequently find the consensus agreed upon is wrong.
Our understanding of the universe is never concrete and will adjust itself on a frequent basis. 50 years ago (1970s) we barely understood what was inside a cellular organism, and our best visualization of the atom was the "plum pudding" model.
 
Some weird stuff, some less so. Germany would be where WW3 started, or they’d have a big role in kicking it (it being Very Bad Stuff) off again. Pyramids give off a form of resonance energy and are generally weird and much older than suspected (remember this was forty plus years ago, this was t mainstream then) .
Boy is this timely.
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Soil is very important and should be nourished.

Smoking wouldn’t kill him (it didn’t.) everything in the universe is music (followed by a complex explanation of vibration and matter that I didn’t understand.) a lot of stuff, hard to remember, but he was right about almost everything. Actually everything, come to think of it.
This too, why not

He did, at great and impassioned length, but I was a teenager and an idiot who thought they knew everything already and I doubt I understood enough to retain the information. He was convinced everything was a form of vibration, he explained it as music but that was really an an analogy. A big bang couldnt have come from that as it would imply a state of zero vibration, and in his analogy the universe was never silent. You can’t have half a waveform or something. Remember this is an analogy, and it was a long time ago.
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Recording the truth induces entropy. The more facts we discover and record about the world the more we limit the possibility space of things that can occur. And we can only ever have full knowledge of the universe after entropy has solidified its existence into a single state, which we advance by recording it (this is why myths and supernatural events diminish as society gets more literate.) And astronomers can't observe and record all of space at once, so the spots they do look at have more entropy introduced and therefore expand at a slower rate.
 
Boy is this timely.
Is the pyramid in Bosnia a man made structure? I know people argue about it but I’ve never seen it irl. There’s some pyramids on the Kamchatka peninsula too that are similar - people argue over whether they’re man made or not.
The great pyramid is not a tomb, I think that is something I believe.
 
Is the pyramid in Bosnia a man made structure? I know people argue about it but I’ve never seen it irl. There’s some pyramids on the Kamchatka peninsula too that are similar - people argue over whether they’re man made or not.
The great pyramid is not a tomb, I think that is something I believe.
Apparently they are a naturally occurring formation known as flatirons and the main guy who keeps saying they are pyramids is a Bosnian businessman who promotes the area for tourism purposes.
 
Its always weird when people say trust the science when we barely understand it and then frequently find the consensus agreed upon is wrong.
And it's frustrating most modern findings in academia is less academic and more "election fortification."

But it does provide a seedbed for behavioral studies, on thee retards too stupid to realize they're fucking up a golden goose.
everything in the universe is music (followed by a complex explanation of vibration and matter that I didn’t understand.)
I distinctly remember as a kid someone explaining it to me and it made enough sense that i took up as many instruments as I can. Something about kinetics and momentum iirc.

Essentially everything has a pulse/beat just due to the laws of physics, and music is an attempt to choreograph multiple simultaneous pulses into a unified moment to create a singular thing that people somehow like.
But the concept of music itself doesn't have to just be a unifying purpose, you can figure out someone's pulse/beat/momentum and use it in combat sports to create an oppositional force for knockdowns or use your own shit to temporarily oppose natural "pulses" like gravity via parkour and vaulting.

This concept also doesn't just apply to physics, but psychology too. Somehow. Probably. idfk.

After a lot of bullshit happened and I don't play/sing anything anymore there does feel like an innate disconnect from reality or some shit.
*In the sense that my momentum alongside the general consensus sometimes goes "off-key" and I accidentally bump into somone or some shit. Or I imply not listening to music somehow induces schizophrenia.
 
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bah! This was the whole point of building the JWTS

When we launched Hubble it radically redefined what we knew but Hubble, while ultra advance for it's time, is nothing but a child's toy compared to what JWST can do. So naturally with new tools we can see more then ever and guess what, people who were using paper thin observations to create whole universal theories weren't really getting it right.

The big shock will be once we oust the big bangers and the cathedral of astronomers who simply won't accept that their theories are wrong and some of the new up and comers get a chance to really "rock our world".
 
Isn't this just string theory? Pretty sure I saw an explanation of it that sounded similar
Slightly different, as far as I understood. Which wasn’t much, if I’m honest. It wasn’t just that particles behave like point vibrations or whatever.
 
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Is the pyramid in Bosnia a man made structure? I know people argue about it but I’ve never seen it irl. There’s some pyramids on the Kamchatka peninsula too that are similar - people argue over whether they’re man made or not.
The great pyramid is not a tomb, I think that is something I believe.
The Mesoamerican pyramids just looked like hills until they were dug back out.
This one still kinda does and it's got a church on top:
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