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James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe​


News - By Ben Turner - published March 14, 2024
Depending on where we look, the universe is expanding at different rates. Now, scientists using the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes have confirmed that the observation is not down to a measurement error.

Astronomers have used the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes to confirm one of the most troubling conundrums in all of physics — that the universe appears to be expanding at bafflingly different speeds depending on where we look.

This problem, known as the Hubble Tension, has the potential to alter or even upend cosmology altogether. In 2019, measurements by the Hubble Space Telescope confirmed the puzzle was real; in 2023, even more precise measurements from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) cemented the discrepancy.

Now, a triple-check by both telescopes working together appears to have put the possibility of any measurement error to bed for good. The study, published February 6 in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, suggests that there may be something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe.

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"With measurement errors negated, what remains is the real and exciting possibility we have misunderstood the universe," lead study author Adam Riess, professor of physics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, said in a statement.

Reiss, Saul Perlmutter and Brian P. Schmidt won the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics for their 1998 discovery of dark energy, the mysterious force behind the universe's accelerating expansion.

Currently, there are two "gold-standard" methods for figuring out the Hubble constant, a value that describes the expansion rate of the universe. The first involves poring over tiny fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) — an ancient relic of the universe's first light produced just 380,000 years after the Big Bang.

Between 2009 and 2013, astronomers mapped out this microwave fuzz using the European Space Agency's Planck satellite to infer a Hubble constant of roughly 46,200 mph per million light-years, or roughly 67 kilometers per second per megaparsec (km/s/Mpc).

The second method uses pulsating stars called Cepheid variables. Cepheid stars are dying, and their outer layers of helium gas grow and shrink as they absorb and release the star's radiation, making them periodically flicker like distant signal lamps.

As Cepheids get brighter, they pulsate more slowly, giving astronomers a means to measure their absolute brightness. By comparing this brightness to their observed brightness, astronomers can chain Cepheids into a "cosmic distance ladder" to peer ever deeper into the universe's past. With this ladder in place, astronomers can find a precise number for its expansion from how the Cepheids' light has been stretched out, or red-shifted.

But this is where the mystery begins. According to Cepheid variable measurements taken by Riess and his colleagues, the universe's expansion rate is around 74 km/s/Mpc: an impossibly high value when compared to Planck's measurements. Cosmology had been hurled into uncharted territory.

"We wouldn't call it a tension or problem, but rather a crisis," David Gross, a Nobel Prize-winning astronomer, said at a 2019 conference at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics (KITP) in California.

Initially, some scientists thought that the disparity could be a result of a measurement error caused by the blending of Cepheids with other stars in Hubble's aperture. But in 2023, the researchers used the more accurate JWST to confirm that, for the first few "rungs" of the cosmic ladder, their Hubble measurements were right. Nevertheless, the possibility of crowding further back in the universe's past remained.

To resolve this issue, Riess and his colleagues built on their previous measurements, observing 1,000 more Cepheid stars in five host galaxies as remote as 130 million light-years from Earth. After comparing their data to Hubble's, the astronomers confirmed their past measurements of the Hubble constant.

"We've now spanned the whole range of what Hubble observed, and we can rule out a measurement error as the cause of the Hubble Tension with very high confidence," Riess said. "Combining Webb and Hubble gives us the best of both worlds. We find that the Hubble measurements remain reliable as we climb farther along the cosmic distance ladder."

In other words: the tension at the heart of cosmology is here to stay.


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What if it sends the recycled materials and builds another plant?
I guess with no outside input other than self obtained materials and self created blueprints then yes. Good thought experiment.
 
The smartest person I’ve ever known told me that the Big Bang was nonsense, about forty years ago.
I’m not qualified to say what they find here means - physics kiwis, analysis?
It’s not the Big Bang that’s in question here-I think it’s more to do with the standard model. Regarding the rate the universe expands-that’s where the discrepancy is.

Either there is something wrong with our measurements, or the standard model is seriously flawed.

bah! This was the whole point of building the JWTS

When we launched Hubble it radically redefined what we knew but Hubble, while ultra advance for it's time, is nothing but a child's toy compared to what JWST can do. So naturally with new tools we can see more then ever and guess what, people who were using paper thin observations to create whole universal theories weren't really getting it right.

The big shock will be once we oust the big bangers and the cathedral of astronomers who simply won't accept that their theories are wrong and some of the new up and comers get a chance to really "rock our world".
Part of the problem with this, is the Standard Model has loads of data backing it. So much so, it gets confirmed in its essentials every other week.

But these problems won’t go away. So scientists are faced with a conundrum-is our current understanding simply wrong? Incomplete? Is there something we’re missing?

It’s an interesting thing to watch, even if cosmology is basically incomprehensible to you as a layman.

Especially because it’s been ongoing for decades and every year-scientists old and new will come up with new mathematically beautiful ways to resolve the problem. The equations line up, anomalies accounted for-problem solved.

Yet-it never seems to be solved.
 
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I'm honestly more curious how long this crisis in cosmology will last. Because you have people saying we are on the verge of some new paradigm shift, people saying the Standard Model is basically the end all be all, and we are pretty much done with physics at these scales and people publishing papers every day trying to resolve the problem.

Because general relativity and quantum mechanics have been two non connecting puzzle pieces-for what now? Sixty years?

And vast sums of money and intellectual capital have gone into resolving them.

And yet-as far as I can tell, we are nowhere closer to creating the grand unified theory.
 
And yet-as far as I can tell, we are nowhere closer to creating the grand unified theory.
It’s my personal belief based on nothing but intuition that a unified theory is impossible. I think these different systems or layers that govern the universe are in separate planes of existence or different dimensions for use of a better term. Like how you interact with a computer using the screen but it’s the code that’s running it. The further you go the more into spiritual or esoteric realms all this stuff gets. This guy explains it better than I can…

The Planck length (10-35m) and Planck time (10-43s) are literally the end of space and time, because space and time (as we know them) don’t exist beyond these limits. So what does exist beyond these ultra-small scales of reality? Can there really be two sides of reality?

Well, it’s a bit like asking what lies beyond the pixels of a computer screen? From the surface perspective of the computer screen, the answer is literally “nothing”, because the pixels are the end of that order of reality. But if we deepen our perspective to a different order of reality, we discover that computer code underlies all the images on the screen.

If we carry this analogy through into the real world… The Planck scale is the end of our familiar physical reality, and the different order of reality that underlies it is imperceptible and intangible to our physical senses – more energetic and informational, like the computer code.
 
It’s my personal belief based on nothing but intuition that a unified theory is impossible. I think these different systems or layers that govern the universe are in separate planes of existence or different dimensions for use of a better term. Like how you interact with a computer using the screen but it’s the code that’s running it. The further you go the more into spiritual or esoteric realms all this stuff gets. This guy explains it better than I can…
It's a nice analogy. But I'm not sure it actually changes anything. We're already trying to discern the internal workings through the "pixels" every time we peer at the results of a particle accelerator or measure the cosmic microwave background. Even if we could discern these things directly with our senses it actually makes no difference in principle: we are trying to figure out the rules through the observable phenomenon just as one may figure out what a program does through the inputs and outputs displayed on the screen. The screen may not be the underlying "reality" but if something doesn't affect the observable reality then occams razor it's not really part of the model anyway. The only scenario in which an underlying reality is distinct and foxes our efforts to figure out how everything works is if it is random. Or subject to inputs that are wholly independent from what is visible on the screen. Like someone with a mouse randomly wiggling it sometimes. Which would manifest to us as the rules of physics changing inconsistently from place to place or time to time. And we've yet to observe that I believe. Or at least if we've observed it we've yet to know that we have.

Does that make sense? We're trying to model the behaviour of the universe (the pixels) mathematically. It doesn't change how we model it whether the pixels are moved around by a GPU or magic pixies, so long as all the inputs and outputs go via the screen. And as the screen in this analogy is observable reality, your positing that there is something we cannot observe that affects the observable. My point being that if it affects the observable, it can be modelled.
 
I guess my point with the analogy was that our lived experience and any observations made within it ie. general relativity are part of the screen and any measurements, especially particle accelerator experiments are more like the underlying code. They’re related but fundamentally different and separate systems, so much so that a unified theory is impossible. Materialists will argue it’s all part of the same universe but I’m not sure about that.
 
Hopefully this is the end of inflation theory as it currently is. The phenomenon probably has a lot more to do with our incomplete view of the universe, inaccurate mass calculations stemming from that and differences in mass densities throughout the visible and non visible universe. Including dark matter.

Very interesting either way.
 
It would be funny if it turns out stars actually are small and the universe is way smaller than we thought it was.
I prefer to think of the entire thing as a larger organism. We're a disease that erupted on a cancerous cell in a minor expendable organ of a megastructure life form that is bleeding out. The universe is merely a chunk of its discarded toenail clippings.
 
Actually, I recall hearing about a theory that the reason life as we know it exists is precisely because because life maximizes entropy.
My favorite theory for the existence of life is that living beings exist to use up excess energy given off by the sun. I don't subscribe to it but it's funny to me.
Please let this led to FTL so I can finally get out of this godforsaken gay planet...
What makes you think that aliens want your faggot ass? You think it's bad when blacks move into your neighborhood? Imagine being the black.
 
I don’t know how this is surprising as the CMBR literally shows this increasing redshift. We’ve known this since the 1940s. No end of the universe event will happen as dark energy is a real thing that glues it all together. It either remains constantly dense if w = -1 or grows denser if the equation of state is less than w < -1. The only real thing that happens is stars get slightly colder as dense energy has space to disperse. To put it simply there’s the black cosmological bubble we exist in and outside of this membrane there is a white universe enveloping this expanding bubble that can be thought of as quantum light in a open lambda system when transferring energy into our black universe, when it is not connected it is a closed system that has no interaction with our universal barrier.

These popsci journos should’ve paid better attention to their physics lectures.
 
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