Lily's never made it much of a secret that her most desired goal in life is to have a mass of kids and barely legal young adults at her disposal.
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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so he can lecture the Little kiddies on more Flawed ideologies? Lol
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I had to read that bit at least once. What kool-aid is she drinking so I can avoid it like the plague?
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I guess she also aspires to be fat like dream too!
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I'm sure Enemy to Lovers trope can work if you're actually smart to write an arc between two characters.
Well, i'm gonna talk from my experience investing human behaviors and i idealized something like that in one of my projects, but not direct enemies; more like rivals:
The protagonist has a romantic interest more earlier than the begginning of the story, he doesn't know until when she appears again at front of him, obviously not direct, but the attraction flows naturally.
She basically does near everything for the security of him for a long time, being a important person hides the true nature of the protagonist even for her own nation's interest. She have the initial interest of using him for her purposes and someday test her mettle against him for who's better fighting, but this fades off eventually over the course of the story and basically is ended at the catharsis of the novel, which... surprisingly not the ending, just the end of the second half of the middle part.
But... that's not her ending; in simple words, the protagonist decays into a state of depression in the first half of the final part. She done a promise before with a important character before (which sadly dies) about how she can't view the protagonist as a instrument, he's more than that (which is true in the story). Of course she tries to make the promise initially but she found a better use of him in a specific arc in that part, which ends in a nice fight between other main character. With that finished, she only had one thing in mind: score her beloved fight at once for all, but not in that time: the only thing which she thought for so long was somebody finally releases her tormented soul in a legendary fight between titans... or something like that.
In the end, she finally find peace with herself being defeated by the protagonist (which isn't the final fight in the novel, oh yes) and... you probably fit the pieces afterwards.
Now, why i'm explaining this? Two reasons: i'm sure my novel never gonna get popular, which is understandable in literature in general (ignoring all the bad practices & happenings right now) and if the novel doesn't get a proper translation, many of the shit i explained can be lost.
But... this can work, i'm sure i can. Nothing is taken from nothing; this is a nice naturalized character arc between rivals which became lovers. And i'm sure i can pull off a Enemy to Lovers concept someday but not now; work is getting on my nuts nowadays.
Well, i'm gonna talk from my experience investing human behaviors and i idealized something like that in one of my projects, but not direct enemies; more like rivals:
The protagonist has a romantic interest more earlier than the begginning of the story, he doesn't know until when she appears again at front of him, obviously not direct, but the attraction flows naturally.
She basically does near everything for the security of him for a long time, being a important person hides the true nature of the protagonist even for her own nation's interest. She have the initial interest of using him for her purposes and someday test her mettle against him for who's better fighting, but this fades off eventually over the course of the story and basically is ended at the catharsis of the novel, which... surprisingly not the ending, just the end of the second half of the middle part.
But... that's not her ending; in simple words, the protagonist decays into a state of depression in the first half of the final part. She done a promise before with a important character before (which sadly dies) about how she can't view the protagonist as a instrument, he's more than that (which is true in the story). Of course she tries to make the promise initially but she found a better use of him in a specific arc in that part, which ends in a nice fight between other main character. With that finished, she only had one thing in mind: score her beloved fight at once for all, but not in that time: the only thing which she thought for so long was somebody finally releases her tormented soul in a legendary fight between titans... or something like that.
In the end, she finally find peace with herself being defeated by the protagonist (which isn't the final fight in the novel, oh yes) and... you probably fit the pieces afterwards.
Now, why i'm explaining this? Two reasons: i'm sure my novel never gonna get popular, which is understandable in literature in general (ignoring all the bad practices & happenings right now) and if the novel doesn't get a proper translation, many of the shit i explained can be lost.
But... this can work, i'm sure i can. Nothing is taken from nothing; this is a nice naturalized character arc between rivals which became lovers. And i'm sure i can pull off a Enemy to Lovers concept someday but not now; work is getting on my nuts nowadays.
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half stories with female leads dont have romantic interests? what?
also lily your taste in women is awful catgirls are great
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*three ibuprofens later*
Let's just... go down the list while I still have a grasp on reality.
- Nate didn't say Catra was "Latina-coded", he just said that it was his original intention and he was hesitant to canonize her ethnicity. Also, what does being voiced by a white woman have to do with the character not being Latina? Although I guess if a character isn't human that's one of the only things to go off of.
- Considering Lily's stance on "impact over intent" I'm surprised that she thinks having Catra hesitate is enough to fix the writing.
- Great, so now having human LGBT+ and PoC characters isn't enough if the main villain isn't human and is animalistic while supposedly being PoC.
- "Hahahaha catgirls are for weebs"
- I won't even touch the mental gymnastics involved in this fourth post, it's too disgusting.
- I'll continue screaming "not every instance of an LGBT+ character needs to be called "representation", they can just exist, ratio of straight to gay characters be damned" until I'm blue in the face.
It's just... too soon after your worst video so far to be doing this, Lily.
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Liliana seems to be the type of person who thinks Latino is a race you can distinguish by the colour of someone skin and not just a designation for anyone born and raised on a determined part of the world, regarldess of skin color. Latino is just like saying that someone is Canadian or American.
As the resident loser who actually watched the entire show, this is so stupid because a big portion of the first season was Catra doing exactly that. She didn't want to chase after Adora, she didn't want to hurt her. She was even willing to just let her go out of the war zone where they lived all of their lives. It wasn't until Shadow Weaver, the actual real villain of the show, keeps ordering her to go after Adora with the threat of her own life/safety on the line. So if we go with the shitty logic of Liliana then she's already perfect.
In fact, that is another giant thing that Liliana, as someone who only watched out of context compilations, misses completely: the fact that a large portion of Catra's missdeeds is she being manipulated, ordered around and threatened to do something against the group of Adora when not Adora herself, incrementing her inferiority complex to the point that, without any other target she can point safely, she does end up enraged with Adora, who is always put as more important, valuable and above herself. We see the descend of Catra from a reluctant soldier whose only hope is to get on a high enough position where she won't be abused any longer into someone that is filled with all the rage Adora does end up correponding.
Without Shadow Weaver's influence, constantly nagging Catra about how the only reason she even stayed alive was because Adora was there to protect her, maybe Catra could have her break through a lot sooner and join the good guys club then.
This is why is sick of Liliana to only blame Catra for her situation. She was a child soldier who was always was made to feel like a mere accesory for Adora without any value for herself. They didn't even came together until Catra decides to save the best friend of Adora, works on her temper to not get angry all the time, actively helps them out and stops fightning. Catra finally asking Adora to stay with her comes after so many times of Catra trying to hold together on her own only to realize that she can't. It didn't just happened because Adora was a good selfless victim that let herself be abused until Catra was tired. Catra had to make the first step. Catra had to work on herself first. Catra had to apoligize, promise to do better and actually do better before they ever got together.
Anyway, TL;DR: The story of Catra is a lot more complex and nuanced than Liliana gives it credit for.
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Stuck Pooh
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She wouldn't change naything else but Catra being reluctant about hurting Adora? So it is not the severity of violence that bothers her like she said in the video, just the intent behind it?
It grings a whole new confusing and fucked up level to her statement that someone who behaves like Catra could never get a girlfriend.
Also, her change sounds even more abusive. Its victim blaming straight out of the book, ''I didn't want to do this, you made me do this,''.
How is it now that a voice actor's race/ethhicity is somehow a factor in what race/ethnicity the character they voice is?
She sure as hell denied all of this when being pointed out that Hunter is played by a black man.
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The thing I always find weird about this sorta 'abuse' complaint when it comes to Enemies to Lovers is like... As far as I understand it as someone who hasn't watched the show: These characters are at war. They're not living the domestic life, they're fighting for their faction in a conflict that decides the fate of the world, just because they have affection for each other doesn't turn fighting each other into abuse.
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Except the characters were always like this. Even when Catra and Adora were kids being raised together by the Horde (by the same mother figure, essentially sharing a sister dynamic, which is a whole other can of worms), Catra was always a short-tempered bully who lashed out at people, refused to apologize, and wanted Adora all to herself. Lily's right that Catra is an unhealthy person who doesn't change substantially throughout the series, and she's right that the relationship was rushed at best and toxic at worst, but she's wrong about basically everything else.
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Been a slow day, this raised my eyebrow.
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This has made me realize something, Lily is fat and sedentary and bitter nowadays, back when she was with Lizzy she still looked like a twink.
I'm starting to think Mikay is weighing her options, no pun intended. Maybe there's hope yet.
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This has made me realize something, Lily is fat and sedentary and bitter nowadays, back when she was with Lizzy she still looked like a twink.
I'm starting to think Mikay is weighing her options, no pun intended. Maybe there's hope yet.
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While I would love for her to leave Jerry, let’s not get our hopes up yet.Been a slow day, this raised my eyebrow.
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This has made me realize something, Lily is fat and sedentary and bitter nowadays, back when she was with Lizzy she still looked like a twink.
I'm starting to think Mikay is weighing her options, no pun intended. Maybe there's hope yet.
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If Mikaila does try to divorce Lily, it's gonna be a absolute shit show. With the possibly with physical abuse or worse if Lily gets livid.
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Not speaking about She-Ra specifically, but this is usually how Enemies to Lovers is set up. The 'enemies' aspect is usually on a larger-scale conflict, where the two lovers are on opposing ideological sides of a war of some sort (whether an actual battle or a more personal disagreement). They start hating one another on these broad ideological grounds and the relationship grows when they break out of these pre-defined conflicts and understand each other on a more human level.
I think some of the misunderstanding about the trope is that it assumes the two are enemies on a personal level before they become lovers. Again, I won't say people never write it that way or that it hasn't been done badly (as Stugeon said, 90% of everything is crap), but there is usually a different reason for the characters to be initially opposed -- actual conflict, misunderstanding, so on -- before they move beyond their predisposed and irrational hatred of each other and into something better.
So said, I think this might be why Lily hates this trope-- both characters have to break free of their presuppositions, listen to each other, and grow into a new understanding of each other, themselves, and the world at large. Lily's relationships are all conflict-free because one partner will always cave to the other in order to avoid friction (and that partner isn't Lily), and any change or growth that's done is always done by the other person.
Enemies to Lovers as a trope demands self-reflection from the characters involved and a distinct change in themselves, and oftentimes relies on themes of forgiveness, grace, and empathy-- all themes that Lily seems fundamentally incapable of.
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if she doesnt do it before moving to canada its fucking game over. lily will be up her ass, she wont have contacts in canada that arent related to lily, shell problably have a stranglehold in finances, its going to be very hard to leave her if not downright impossible
i think you and many people in this thread are making the mistake of assuming that it needs to be healthy
sure, it can be done healthly in many ways,but man, if people are out there jacking off to anime lolis and furry porn,i dont need to justify my tastes. im a big man that knows how to diferentiate reality from fiction
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Oh god, I’m getting Lizzy vibes here. But I don’t think he would raise a hand, on the account of Jerry being a coward.
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worst case scenario is lily gets in her head that shes the REAL abuse victim and mikaila was a vulture all along and lily poisons her food
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