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yeah i was going to talk more about that in that post but eeeeeeeh it was already long enough.
I've watched shera, have looked at behind the scene stuff and know more than lily so her claims about Double Trouble being bad nonbinary rep is like.... has she even listened to nonbinary people or just talks as an authoritarian for them and not listen to them?
Simply put, if youre doing a continuation of a series, dont change shit (other than a few minor things like art direction/tonality here or there. but out right changing characters fully, like the main clutch of most series... just alienates old fans.
However if its a retelling similar to what the new shera was, no connection to the og shera, wont interfere with the original canon, set in it's own universe, great. you may still get complaints but its the internet. you cant please everyone.
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I go into a long detail how lily is so wrong about shera. its long. skip it if you want but it just shows how little she knows of the show. unlike me whos watched it!
That nonbinary Double Trouble qualm is kinda right. Only nonbinary people can have a say in how they should be represented. Lily cannot speak for them, to them on how they should be represented. She's done this many times telling nb people to get better standards'. How dare she speak for a minority when she screeches about white, cishet men speaking on behalf of minorities.
it's not up to her to make standards for nonbinary people. it's up to them to figure it out themselves AS nonbinary people.
ok call me a hypocrite for kinda speaking for nonbinary people here but; i'm going off what fans have said, the fact the show creator is nonbinary themselves, and just... research. basic, ass research.
many nonbinary people are ok with DT as 'finally, nonbinary rep that isnt just evil!'.
DT at best was kinda chaotic neutral. they worked with whoever depending on what would benefit them in the end. not good nor evil.
The whole shapeshifter thing? Some nb people arent ok with this, some are. it's kinda a 50/50 split by what I've gathered. However, what might be a small hiccup ('i don't like shapeshifting as a nonbinary character trope') for some is made up by the fact that Double Trouble is never misgendered in the show. their nonbinary identity is never made fun of, it's just who they are. and everyone, even the fucking villain genders them correctly as that's just a normal thing in that universe. some are He, some are she, some are they. it's not an issue like in our world. Hordak may be evil but for other reasons. transphobia is not one of them as the show creators have stated, lgbt+ issues aren't a thing in that world. being gay is just as normal in society as being straight. Coming out statements/stories aren't necissary.
It also helps that they arent treated like a 'the token "nonbinary"'. they just exist. they could have been a He or a She who shapeshifts but nope, theyre nonbinary. no fuss, and thats how nonbinary people want their rep to be like by what ive seen. just "write a character, swap out any gender language with they/neutral ones, dont make a caricature' and you're good to go!"
the whole shapeshifting thing is a somewhat preveland joke amongst nonbinary people. maybe Noelle took that as inspiration.
the whole 'they arent human!' thing lily complains about... most characters in shera arent human. there are plenty of humanoids/outright furries in the series. It just makes sense the main cast would be humans as the princesses of power ARE humans. Bow and Glimma are also humans cuz theyre based off the og designs.
In-universe any humanoid/human are treated as equals fairly- by that i mean, are treaded as what we understand to be 'human'. there isnt any racism against lizard looking, people. hell, Rogelio IS an anthro lizard. he isnt treaded differently, he's treaded as 'human', hell, he cant even speak English like we know it, and sure that makes it hard for people to understand him but it's never made fun of like 'lol, foreigner, speak English, you dolt!' its just, Kinda like how a decent human would explain to someone 'i don't understand what your saying, but i get what you're implying'.
She didnt complain about Scorpia/Catra being halflings ending up in a lesbian relationship not calling it good rep, either. so where's the goalposts here? she's just moving them to fit her narrative.
So catgirls like catra -who is more cat than a neko*-, and a scorpian woman like Scorpia ** are ok but Double trouble is not just because they happen to look more lizard like than human? have you seen how the other lizards in the show look? they look like furries. Double trouble looks like a human, with lizard eyes, tail, tongue glued to them and a green paintjob. more humanoid than any other lizard-like person.
*(her skin is actually fur, look neer her elbows in many shots. cat like claws that are hard enough to pierce metal, we see this trate on no human characters fingernails, fangs, ea tail and only one set of ears, unlike neko's who sometimes have 2 (all be it hidden by hair a lot of the time)
*(scorpian tail and arms, aswell as mandables and shell like things on her shoulders... idk enough about scorpian anatomy sorry)
simply put, every character is atleast humanoid, but the majority look/are human, just with a few prostetics here and there. DT was suppose to be unique, they also can shapeshift into whatever they desire. Makes sense they'd look like the middle ground of what everyone else looks like. Human enough to pull off Shera, animalistic enough to pull off a lizard person, lankey enough to pull off a small child etc etc.
Lily trying to speak for nonbinary people saying 'you should have better standards' is just... just fuck off. its not up to her to set standards for a different group of people. its up to them to make those choices. Obviously people are individuals and one nonbinary may be ok with DD whilst another may not be but thats up to them to figur it out between them, not lily.
Lily is literally talking FORnonbinary people.... She's literally telling a nonbinary person that they did nonbinary rep wrong as a trans woman. shut up lily.
it's not up to her to make standards for nonbinary people. it's up to them to figure it out themselves AS nonbinary people.
ok call me a hypocrite for kinda speaking for nonbinary people here but; i'm going off what fans have said, the fact the show creator is nonbinary themselves, and just... research. basic, ass research.
many nonbinary people are ok with DT as 'finally, nonbinary rep that isnt just evil!'.
DT at best was kinda chaotic neutral. they worked with whoever depending on what would benefit them in the end. not good nor evil.
The whole shapeshifter thing? Some nb people arent ok with this, some are. it's kinda a 50/50 split by what I've gathered. However, what might be a small hiccup ('i don't like shapeshifting as a nonbinary character trope') for some is made up by the fact that Double Trouble is never misgendered in the show. their nonbinary identity is never made fun of, it's just who they are. and everyone, even the fucking villain genders them correctly as that's just a normal thing in that universe. some are He, some are she, some are they. it's not an issue like in our world. Hordak may be evil but for other reasons. transphobia is not one of them as the show creators have stated, lgbt+ issues aren't a thing in that world. being gay is just as normal in society as being straight. Coming out statements/stories aren't necissary.
It also helps that they arent treated like a 'the token "nonbinary"'. they just exist. they could have been a He or a She who shapeshifts but nope, theyre nonbinary. no fuss, and thats how nonbinary people want their rep to be like by what ive seen. just "write a character, swap out any gender language with they/neutral ones, dont make a caricature' and you're good to go!"
the whole shapeshifting thing is a somewhat preveland joke amongst nonbinary people. maybe Noelle took that as inspiration.
the whole 'they arent human!' thing lily complains about... most characters in shera arent human. there are plenty of humanoids/outright furries in the series. It just makes sense the main cast would be humans as the princesses of power ARE humans. Bow and Glimma are also humans cuz theyre based off the og designs.
In-universe any humanoid/human are treated as equals fairly- by that i mean, are treaded as what we understand to be 'human'. there isnt any racism against lizard looking, people. hell, Rogelio IS an anthro lizard. he isnt treaded differently, he's treaded as 'human', hell, he cant even speak English like we know it, and sure that makes it hard for people to understand him but it's never made fun of like 'lol, foreigner, speak English, you dolt!' its just, Kinda like how a decent human would explain to someone 'i don't understand what your saying, but i get what you're implying'.
She didnt complain about Scorpia/Catra being halflings ending up in a lesbian relationship not calling it good rep, either. so where's the goalposts here? she's just moving them to fit her narrative.
So catgirls like catra -who is more cat than a neko*-, and a scorpian woman like Scorpia ** are ok but Double trouble is not just because they happen to look more lizard like than human? have you seen how the other lizards in the show look? they look like furries. Double trouble looks like a human, with lizard eyes, tail, tongue glued to them and a green paintjob. more humanoid than any other lizard-like person.
*(her skin is actually fur, look neer her elbows in many shots. cat like claws that are hard enough to pierce metal, we see this trate on no human characters fingernails, fangs, ea tail and only one set of ears, unlike neko's who sometimes have 2 (all be it hidden by hair a lot of the time)
*(scorpian tail and arms, aswell as mandables and shell like things on her shoulders... idk enough about scorpian anatomy sorry)
simply put, every character is atleast humanoid, but the majority look/are human, just with a few prostetics here and there. DT was suppose to be unique, they also can shapeshift into whatever they desire. Makes sense they'd look like the middle ground of what everyone else looks like. Human enough to pull off Shera, animalistic enough to pull off a lizard person, lankey enough to pull off a small child etc etc.
Lily trying to speak for nonbinary people saying 'you should have better standards' is just... just fuck off. its not up to her to set standards for a different group of people. its up to them to make those choices. Obviously people are individuals and one nonbinary may be ok with DD whilst another may not be but thats up to them to figur it out between them, not lily.
Lily is literally talking FORnonbinary people.... She's literally telling a nonbinary person that they did nonbinary rep wrong as a trans woman. shut up lily.
