Opinion Jesus and St. Paul were asexual, and everybody in heaven is nonbinary

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Jesus and St. Paul were asexual, and everybody in heaven is nonbinary

While the United Methodist Church this week in North Carolina in a historic 692-51 vote repealed their ban on LGBTQ clergy and on UMC pastors officiating at same-sex weddings, most opposition to LGBTQ+ rights in the United States still emanates from Christian pulpits. From sea to sea, many pastors and priests – including, one supposes, the pastors of the nearly 8,000 Methodist churches in the United States that split from the denomination over the past five years as the denomination itself grew more LGBTQ-friendly – still preach harsh words against those who are not heterosexual and not cisgender. These preachers often employ the Bible as a hammer and, without a hint of reservation or shadow of doubt, declare that “the God of the Bible” has issued an eternal edict against sexual and gender diversity. Homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, and gender non-conformity are condemned. So, too, are non-binary and transgender human beings.

These pastors are correct that some biblical passages are not friendly to homosexuals (“if a man lies with a man…”), not pleasant to asexuals (“be fruitful and multiply”), and not kind to gender-non-conformists (“if a man wears that which pertains to a woman…”). Of course, the holy writ can be awfully rough on a lot of people: women generally (“women are not permitted to speak in the church”); boys who make fun of prophets (just ask the 42 boys who made fun of the receding hairline atop the prophet Elisha’s head); non-virgin brides (“she shall be stoned to death at the door of her father’s house”); those who commit adultery (“they shall be put to death”); the enslaved (“slaves, obey your masters”); and the indigenous inhabitants of the Promised Land when Moses and Joshua brought their people from Egypt to Canaan (“they killed everyone, young and old, women and children”).


Conversely, the Bible also advises kindness and encourages readers to practice peace and harmony while loving one another, even in defiance of exclusionary practices embedded in social status, class, ethnicity, or gender and sexual identities. St. Paul, for example, wrote that “in Christ we are neither male nor female.” The central character of the New Testament, Jesus, always welcomed the outcasts into his circle of friendship – and there are plenty of these sidelined individuals among the circa 2,000 characters named in the Bible.

Jesus himself, for example, was an asexual person. While he allowed a woman to wash his feet, had many female friends, and was cared for by women in death, there’s no reference in the four gospels of any relationships in his thirty-three years. He never courted, was infatuated, kissed, or married a woman. While the portrait of Jesus that emerges from the gospels is one of a revolutionary devoted to radical diversity - see the Parable of the Good Samaritan - radical equity (“whosoever will, come to me”) and radical inclusion (“prostitutes will enter the kingdom of heaven”), many conservative white-American Christians reject these inclusive tendencies and vocally oppose what they derogatorily call “wokeness.” Even so, the Jesus of the gospels, by the standards of his day for sure, was quite “woke.” Liberal, even. He was also an Ace (asexual).

St. Paul, too, emerges as an asexual being in Acts of the Apostles and in his epistolary writings to the communities of Christ around the Greco-Roman world. He encouraged Christians to “remain single, as I am.” He conceded some could not abstain from imbibing the power of their sexual energy and they should, therefore, marry. Still, an unmarried, asexual life was St. Paul’s, and he preached such an ideal for others.

Many St. Paul aficionados today – those who quote “women are not permitted to speak” to bolster their argument against women pastors and repeat “homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven” to justify their anti-LGBTQ+ sermons and legislation – are loathe to admit that their St. Paul was asexual and that his asexuality is not the only example of sexual diversity in the Bible or in this life.

Sexual diversity also exists in the afterlife, according to Jesus. In the world to come, he said, “There is neither male nor female.” Everyone will be “like the angels in heaven.” The angels, Jesus taught, are asexual, nonbinary beings who do not have romantic or sexual partnerships: they “neither marry nor are given in marriage.” Heaven, according to Jesus, is a nonbinary paradise. Gone are male and female. Gone are heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality. Jesus’ vision for this life is one of welcoming arms that invite all persons to the table, and his vision for the afterlife is something more rainbow-friendly than his conservative followers will admit.

If Jesus, the man around whom the Christian religion was constructed, was asexual, and if St. Paul, the founder of the Christian religion and the original expositor of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, was also asexual (latently homosexual, some say, but it’s impossible to know), the church today must learn a lesson and offer the world an inclusive big-tent Christianity. If, in Christ, as Paul wrote, maleness and femaleness eventually melt away. If, as Jesus taught, the angels are asexual and nonbinary, it’s time for those who believe in angels, heaven, and Jesus to reimagine their approach to those who don’t think, act, live, or dress like they do. Looking at this way, the Christian story can be an encouragement for all of us to love our neighbors without regard to sexuality, gender dictates, or which bathroom people relieve themselves in.

Refocused, the Christian story can be far more than the narrow, rigid, condemnatory version that resounds from too many pulpits and too many ballot boxes.

There is still plenty of room for Jesus in modern life – the Jesus who believed in diversity, equity, and inclusion; the Jesus who was just fine with “sinners”; the Jesus who condemned wealth hoarding, not the poor; the Jesus who was asexual and taught that heaven is nonbinary. Suppose only conservative Christians in the United States would begin preaching this Jesus instead of the divisively retributory one. In that case, they weaponize to defend their own suffocatingly restrictive social and political agendas. If only.

Lord, hear our prayer.
 
A lot of the gender fucked stuff in early Christianity was an effort to explain how base human concepts wouldn't apply to us when we ascended to the kingdom of heaven. Not that you'd be some frankenstein middle ground between male and female, but that the concept wouldn't apply to your soul.

Really if we're playing the "apply modern cultural concepts to the Bible" game, I submit that Paul was absolutely on the spectrum.
A lot of the gender shit from the early Church was the result of weird Gnostic cults (There’s evidence that Gnosticism as a whole is basically a parasite religion that’s really old), Mithra bullshit, Manichaeism, and other things that tried to become the dominant religion in Rome.

When you say Paul is on the spectrum do you mean autistic or faggot? He gave the clearest example of God hates fags in the Bible outside of Leviticus.
 
And David literally killed one of his own men, Uriah (he ordered the guy into an unwinnable battle instead of getting his own kike hands dirty), just to rape his wife and create the bastard Jedi-diah ("Solomon" - 1 Kings Chapter 11), who the Jews worship To This Day. The prophet Nathan literally rebuked David for being such a dirty faggot. And that's ACTUALLY in the Bible, not just some propaganda typed by a cunt with the same name as a volleyball brand...
 
Normal people should start writing articles with titles like, "[Famous Trans Person/Character] Was Cis, Actually."
 
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A lot of the gender shit from the early Church was the result of weird Gnostic cults (There’s evidence that Gnosticism as a whole is basically a parasite religion that’s really old), Mithra bullshit, Manichaeism, and other things that tried to become the dominant religion in Rome.

When you say Paul is on the spectrum do you mean autistic or faggot? He gave the clearest example of God hates fags in the Bible outside of Leviticus.
Definitely autistic, I've never seen gay people referred to as "on the spectrum", if anything all the fake sexualities and in-between gender identities that the tumblrverse invented was more borne out of over-compensation for the fact that at their core they don't actually see mtf/ftm transpeople as their identified sex and had to create in-betweens that were inclusive of them.
 
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Definitely autistic, I've never seen gay people referred to as "on the spectrum", if anything all the fake sexualities and in-between gender identities that the tumblrverse invented was more borne out of over-compensation for the fact that at their core they don't actually see mtf/ftm transpeople as their identified sex and had to create in-betweens that were inclusive of them.
Might be a generational difference, but they moved on from the Kinsey Scale (bad science) to Gender+ Sexuality spectrum.

I don’t get Paul as autistic as genuinely religious from his letters. He’s a former zealous Jew going to Gentiles. His actions are a result of something he believes to be right (turning over Christians to the authorities and possibly having them killed) and humbling himself before the Apostles after his vision of Christ. Corinthians 6:20 kind of explains his mindset. He’s a murderer who’s been paroled and he genuinely wants to repent.
 
Might be a generational difference, but they moved on from the Kinsey Scale (bad science) to Gender+ Sexuality spectrum.

I don’t get Paul as autistic as genuinely religious from his letters. He’s a former zealous Jew going to Gentiles. His actions are a result of something he believes to be right (turning over Christians to the authorities and possibly having them killed) and humbling himself before the Apostles after his vision of Christ. Corinthians 6:20 kind of explains his mindset. He’s a murderer who’s been paroled and he genuinely wants to repent.
You can be religious and be autistic, I was more joking about his very procedural approach to doctrine that wasn't as prevalent with the Apostles that wrote the rest of the gospels.
 
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voluntarily celebate and asexual are not the same things, perverts. If you want to practice open heresy, go join the unitarians, they'll let you spout off whatever nonsense springs up in your tiny minds.

the church today must learn a lesson and offer the world an inclusive big-tent Christianity.

Or not.
 
You can be religious and be autistic, I was more joking about his very procedural approach to doctrine that wasn't as prevalent with the Apostles that wrote the rest of the gospels.
Spectrum or not, he was the perfect pick for someone to hammer down foundational doctrine. I do like that as much as he liked to argue, he thought Athenians were pretentious fags who weren't worth the time. How many of us are non-autistic enough to not fall for the bait? Shouldn't be too surprising though, contextually, Jesus could be a bit of dick if He thought you deserved it, I'm not shocked the apostle to the Gentiles was cut from similar cloth.
 
Jesus, always welcomed the outcasts into his circle of friendship
Name one of Jesus' 'circle of friends' who refused to repent of their sins and follow God.
While he allowed a woman to wash his feet, had many female friends, and was cared for by women in death, there’s no reference in the four gospels of any relationships in his thirty-three years. He never courted, was infatuated, kissed, or married a woman.
And?
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. -John 6:38
While the portrait of Jesus that emerges from the gospels is one of a revolutionary devoted to radical diversity - see the Parable of the Good Samaritan
You read the parable incorrectly.
The point of the parable is not the Samaritan, but the man who was robbed. Who was HIS neighbor? The priest and the Levite who passed him by? Or the Samaritan who saved him? The answer is the Samaritan, and the lesson is that anyone who shows you mercy is your neighbor, not that you are the neighbor of the entire human race, regardless of circumstance.
radical equity (“whosoever will, come to me”)
This is not a reference to the Bible, it is the line of a hymn.

and radical inclusion (“prostitutes will enter the kingdom of heaven”)
You left a few parts out:
“What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

“ ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

“Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

“Which of the two did what his father wanted?”

“The first,” they answered.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. (Matthew 21:28-32)

Repentance precedes forgiveness. Whores can go to Heaven, just not while they persist in whoring.
He encouraged Christians to “remain single, as I am.” He conceded some could not abstain from imbibing the power of their sexual energy and they should, therefore, marry. Still, an unmarried, asexual life was St. Paul’s, and he preached such an ideal for others.
Wrong, you lying faggot. Paul's abstention from marriage, and implicitly, sex, was a matter of both self-restraint and focus on task and purpose.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. (1 Corinthians 1-9)

Paul has said nothing about lack of desire to fuck; only that he has the self-control to not fuck, therefore he has no need to be married. Self-control > Cooming. I know this idea is anathema to the rainbow cult, but there it is. Additionally, a married man must continue to fulfill his duty to God, but must also fulfill his duties to his wife, and logically, cannot be as committed to God as an unmarried man would be.

Sexual diversity also exists in the afterlife, according to Jesus. In the world to come, he said, “There is neither male nor female.”
Wrong, you lying degenerate. That's from Paul's letter to the Galatians and it refers to the fellowship of those who are baptized not to be despised for who they were prior to it:
"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." - (Galatians 3:26-29)

If you want to know Paul would likely have to say about Rodney Wilson and those like him:

Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. (Romans 16:17-18 )
 
Might be a generational difference, but they moved on from the Kinsey Scale (bad science) to Gender+ Sexuality spectrum.

I don’t get Paul as autistic as genuinely religious from his letters. He’s a former zealous Jew going to Gentiles. His actions are a result of something he believes to be right (turning over Christians to the authorities and possibly having them killed) and humbling himself before the Apostles after his vision of Christ. Corinthians 6:20 kind of explains his mindset. He’s a murderer who’s been paroled and he genuinely wants to repent.
I believe Paul was essentially what would be a lawyer today. That high degree of intelligence and ability to write prolifically is easily confused with high-functioning autism, but high-functioning autists have difficulty holding a job and interacting socially. Paul clearly knew the limits of both Roman and Jewish law enough to tip-toe around them, and he was also skilled enough socially to actually pull it off.
 
I believe Paul was essentially what would be a lawyer today. That high degree of intelligence and ability to write prolifically is easily confused with high-functioning autism, but high-functioning autists have difficulty holding a job and interacting socially. Paul clearly knew the limits of both Roman and Jewish law enough to tip-toe around them, and he was also skilled enough socially to actually pull it off.
Saul was properly educated under Gamaliel. We know who he studied under. Jews, if they are anything, are a people who value proper education.
 
I used to wonder how the church used to be OK with burning people at the stake back in the day.

Now reading articles like this in current year I totally understand.
 
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I love that the author doesn't actually say what happened to the boys who were mocking Elisha. God sent bears after them and the bears were super effective.
 
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Just a reminder they write this bullshit to get you to angrily click on their retarded article. This is rage bait and everyone in this thread including myself are doing exactly what they want.
 
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