Trainwreck Jill C Noyes Rodrigues / David Rodrigues / Rodrigues Family Ministries / Rodrigues Family Serving Jesus / All Things Truth Printing Ministry - Batshit MLM-shill narc mom of 13 starving children and her jobless "headship". Grifting and drifting across the US in an RV. Wanted by WV CPS.

[GreenHell]

He has other wet spots on his shirt. Maybe the baby drooled on him?

 

[swiggety_swoogitty]

Having known a number of these people, I don't think any of them actually look at a brown person and deem their life less. You can't really follow Christ and walk with Him and believe anyone is inherently less valuable based on race or ethnicity.

damn guess all the white supremacists are gonna be really surprised to hear that they aren’t Christians. Good thing you were here to make that call. Be sure to tell them you’re revoking their Christian card at the next klan rally.

 

[LonesomeDud]

damn guess all the white supremacists are gonna be really surprised to hear that they aren’t Christians. Good thing you were here to make that call. Be sure to tell them you’re revoking their Christian card at the next klan rally.

Being sarcastic is cheap. Give specific examples of fundies also being white supremacists and how those beliefs tie together. I tried Googling "white supremacy" and "Gothard" and got no results.

 

[Free the Pedos]

I assume that Jill learned school costs money after Tim got sent home from pilot’s school, so I wonder how they plan to pay for Bible college.

 

[ShadowCass]

I assume that Jill learned school costs money after Tim got sent home from pilot’s school, so I wonder how they plan to pay for Bible college.

if I remember correctly, Jill grifted for Tim’s tuition but just (apparently) expected him to figure out room and board.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the main reason he came home was that he could not keep up with the academics.

It will be interesting to see how Philip does

 

[multiverse]

I assume that Jill learned school costs money after Tim got sent home from pilot’s school, so I wonder how they plan to pay for Bible college.

Oh, they plan to make Phillip pay for it with his own job this time.

 

[swiggety_swoogitty]

Being sarcastic is cheap. Give specific examples of fundies also being white supremacists and how those beliefs tie together. I tried Googling "white supremacy" and "Gothard" and got no results.

Why don’t you try googling “quiverfull” and white supremacy instead and stop shitting up this thread.

 

[brooky]

You can't really follow Christ and walk with Him and believe anyone is inherently less valuable based on race or ethnicity.

I think you've stumbled on the answer there, Dud. Some of these people wouldn't know Christ if he carried them down a beach.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

if I remember correctly, Jill grifted for Tim’s tuition but just (apparently) expected him to figure out room and board.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the main reason he came home was that he could not keep up with the academics.

It will be interesting to see how Philip does

I thought that's why he got sent home, he didn't have the basic education to understand the math involved.
And one of Nuries' suitors dumped her for not being well educated, IIRC. Jill's constant butting in didn't help, either.

 

[multiverse]

I thought that's why he got sent home, he didn't have the basic education to understand the math involved.
And one of Nuries' suitors dumped her for not being well educated, IIRC. Jill's constant butting in didn't help, either.

Yes, Tim flunked out after one semester of Bible pilot college due to his inability to keep up with the class work... though his lack of food and books and the nightly screaming from JillPM likely didn't help.

Nurie's first suitor was a dentist, and he did find her too uneducated to homeschool their children. He was also put off by Jill.

 

[sorrycharlie]

Do any of these people even have a GED?

 

[Naitsirhc Rodriguez]

Do any of these people even have a GED?

They have something better, a certificate of completion for a homeschool curriculum that comes with no academic pre-requisites, a literal participation trophy! This is common with super sheltered fundie kids whose parents wanted to avoid sinful public education, I forget where in the thread I read it but they offer sub-100 college courses at fundie Universities like Liberty and Pensacola specifically to bring these types of academic unfortunates to the standards such colleges provide. If it doesn't involve ministry work or homemaking these kids are screwed, and even in those fields they have dim prospects given the earlier examples up thread.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

If the guy really is a suitor for Renee, then I hope he is a nice guy and can help her escape from Jill's shrill laughter and Dave's anger.

I don't know, could Renee say no if she did not like the guy?

 

[ATI Escapee]

I don't know, could Renee say no if she did not like the guy?

Probably doesn't know how even if she wanted to

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Why don’t you try googling “quiverfull” and white supremacy instead and stop shitting up this thread.

I did that and the whole first page is typical "why all white evangelicals are white supremacists" stuff that takes it as read that if you're having white babies you're obviously trying to be part of a white nationalist pushback against rising minority numbers.

Here's a typical example of what I found for that search, hysterical, breathless declarations of racism and all they can find to support the claim is one dumb tiktoker. People complaining about "ghetto music" and bemoaning falling birth rates in their own communities would have been considered normal to mildly conservative 25 years ago. Now they're called nazis and white nationalists. The temperature of the opinions hasn't changed, but modern liberals have turned up the volume of shrieking about these opinions every few years until "rap doesn't even sound like music to me" means you're ready to genocide all the brown races.

The top results don't just think quiverfull is white supremacist, but the entire institution of Christianity in the US.


"Go educate yourself, bigot" has been educational once again. Why, until liberals started telling me to educate myself and I started listening to them, I was a liberal myself!

 

[cuddle striker]

Eggbinding is actually pretty uncommon. If Jill's hen was eggbound, she'd probably post some stupid bullshit about how it was walking like a penguin (which is a giveaway).

It's 1000% more likely that she just didn't feed them enough. Or she didn't get a rooster, some breeds need one for egg production (not even fucking just being around one). Ooor they were too young. Bigger breeds take longer to mature.

There's a lot of reasons why she might not have eggs.

goddamn I started reading this thinking "eggbinding" meant "getting knocked up so the fundie guy has to marry them" and "hen" and wondered which of the kids was knocked up by a rando Mennonite.

then I realized you really did mean literal chickens.

 

[For The Internet]

I’m not the most religious person but didn’t Jesus turn water into wine and drink wine with his homeboys?

I know this is late but a lot of fundies believe he in fact made water into grape juice. Jill believes it and so do the Kellers (Anna Duggar's family) for example. The Duggars themselves, too. It's stupid for obvious reasons but it's a pretty well-established belief with baptist fundies. It's an excellent example of fundies taking something that was completely permissible in the bible and making it sinful just because they think it is in their own minds. Same with these people and dancing. It's pretty fascinating and it's amusing since a lot of fundies claim to be biblical literalists.

 

[son of jurassic bark]

I know this is late but a lot of fundies believe he in fact made water into grape juice. Jill believes it and so do the Kellers (Anna Duggar's family) for example. The Duggars themselves, too. It's stupid for obvious reasons but it's a pretty well-established belief with baptist fundies. It's an excellent example of fundies taking something that was completely permissible in the bible and making it sinful just because they think it is in their own minds. Same with these people and dancing. It's pretty fascinating and it's amusing since a lot of fundies claim to be biblical literalists.

Here's how it was explained to me as a kid: Back then, common folk had to water down wine to keep from getting shitfaced, as they weren't used to less vinegar-y, higher quality wine. The alcohol content would've been middling, so grape juice is a close approximation.

 

[For The Internet]

Here's how it was explained to me as a kid: Back then, common folk had to water down wine to keep from getting shitfaced, as they weren't used to less vinegar-y, higher quality wine. The alcohol content would've been middling, so grape juice is a close approximation.

That's reasonable, though. Back when humans had to drink alcohol to survive it was generally less potent than the wine and beer of today because you couldn't go around totally shitfaced.

The fundies just believe in alcohol = evil and wine = literal grape juice because of the influence of puritanism and the temperance movement. It's got very little to do with what's in the bible and is really about enmeshing their personal beliefs with their religious ones.

I just find people like Pa Keller fascinating because he believes it all: dancing and music with a beat are sinful (despite the bible talking at length about dancing and music in a positive way), Jesus never touched a drop of alcohol in his life, but also claim to be biblical literalists who think the bible was written as-is by God and is perfect and infallible (at least, the KJV bible) and the KJV bible sure as hell doesn't talk about grape juice.

I don't want to get into politics sperging so I'm keeping this relatively brief but you don't really have to dig deeply to find a relationship between racism and christian fundamentalism, it seems intellectually dishonest to just google random terms and say there's nothing to support it. I'll post about a few easy-to-find examples off the top of my head and leave it to anyone interested to further read about it.

The Bates family has a portrait on their wall of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was the first grand wizard of the KKK. When it made it onto TV people understandably questioned why you'd want a KKK grand wizard on your wall, and a lot of people within the community came to their defense to say there was nothing racist about it, nothing problematic whatsoever. They claimed it was just because they admired him for his roll in the civil war and was part of their room of patriots or whatever it was called.

Then there's the history of black children being adopted from Africa and being treated in completely dehumanising ways by fundie families. I deliberately steered clear of following families who did this because it bothered me, but a particularly tragic case is of Larry and Carri Williams. They adopted two children from Ethiopia. They followed Michael Pearl's child abuse manual and would beat and severely punish those two kids specifically, in addition to the fact they made the girl, Hana, use an outside toilet and hose to shower and left them naked, hosed down with frozen water and locked outside in the winter. Hana died of hypothermia due to this. They wouldn't communicate with the kids at all because they only spoke Ethiopian so would hit, point and shout at them until they did what they wanted. There are other families with adopted kids, often non-white, who get horribly abused in ways their bio kids don't.

There's also the long, long, long history of "well-meaning" missionaries who treat the local people like morons for not speaking English or being the right kind of christian and then end up horribly damaging the places they're supposed to be helping and look down on the unwashed heathens. There are plenty of fundies who have gone to African countries (and many others, of course) where they post blogs about how badly these dumbasses need their help because they eat bugs to survive and instead of helping by raising money for a local village, or creating employment for the locals they'll just teach them they're suffering because they're awful sinners and if they just say the magic words to become saved they'll magically never go hungry again.

Obviously what constitutes racism is different to different people. I'm not here to debate how racist fundies are, but it's not a hard thing to find if you're actually looking. There's been extensive discourse on the subject.

 

[LonesomeDud]

That's reasonable, though. Back when humans had to drink alcohol to survive it was generally less potent than the wine and beer of today because you couldn't go around totally shitfaced.

The fundies just believe in alcohol = evil and wine = literal grape juice because of the influence of puritanism and the temperance movement. It's got very little to do with what's in the bible and is really about enmeshing their personal beliefs with their religious ones.

I just find people like Pa Keller fascinating because he believes it all: dancing and music with a beat are sinful (despite the bible talking at length about dancing and music in a positive way), Jesus never touched a drop of alcohol in his life, but also claim to be biblical literalists who think the bible was written as-is by God and is perfect and infallible (at least, the KJV bible) and the KJV bible sure as hell doesn't talk about grape juice.

I don't want to get into politics sperging so I'm keeping this relatively brief but you don't really have to dig deeply to find a relationship between racism and christian fundamentalism, it seems intellectually dishonest to just google random terms and say there's nothing to support it. I'll post about a few easy-to-find examples off the top of my head and leave it to anyone interested to further read about it.

The Bates family has a portrait on their wall of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was the first grand wizard of the KKK. When it made it onto TV people understandably questioned why you'd want a KKK grand wizard on your wall, and a lot of people within the community came to their defense to say there was nothing racist about it, nothing problematic whatsoever. They claimed it was just because they admired him for his roll in the civil war and was part of their room of patriots or whatever it was called.

Then there's the history of black children being adopted from Africa and being treated in completely dehumanising ways by fundie families. I deliberately steered clear of following families who did this because it bothered me, but a particularly tragic case is of Larry and Carri Williams. They adopted two children from Ethiopia. They followed Michael Pearl's child abuse manual and would beat and severely punish those two kids specifically, in addition to the fact they made the girl, Hana, use an outside toilet and hose to shower and left them naked, hosed down with frozen water and locked outside in the winter. Hana died of hypothermia due to this. They wouldn't communicate with the kids at all because they only spoke Ethiopian so would hit, point and shout at them until they did what they wanted. There are other families with adopted kids, often non-white, who get horribly abused in ways their bio kids don't.

There's also the long, long, long history of "well-meaning" missionaries who treat the local people like morons for not speaking English or being the right kind of christian and then end up horribly damaging the places they're supposed to be helping and look down on the unwashed heathens. There are plenty of fundies who have gone to African countries (and many others, of course) where they post blogs about how badly these dumbasses need their help because they eat bugs to survive and instead of helping by raising money for a local village, or creating employment for the locals they'll just teach them they're suffering because they're awful sinners and if they just say the magic words to become saved they'll magically never go hungry again.

Obviously what constitutes racism is different to different people. I'm not here to debate how racist fundies are, but it's not a hard thing to find if you're actually looking. There's been extensive discourse on the subject.

There are some people who just teach people they're awful sinners, but many people these groups interact with are part of some Abrahamic faith already. There are scams where people go in after paying thousands to "build a school" week after week. Missionary work also does a lot of positive things and brings things like medical access to people who may otherwise never have access. Sometimes, these same volunteer providers have to provide morally complex services like D&Cs/induced miscarriages/abortions, and yes, these people are volunteers serving Jesus. It's very easy to shit on things you don't understand or have real life experience with, just like it's easy for conservative Christians to see the profits and tactics of places like Planned Parenthood and want to completely overlook any good they've done.

Sometimes people like Bill Gates take an interest in helping disadvantaged people, and that's great, too. There's room for all people to serve others. Thankfully, evil people like Michael Pearl are in the minority.