Joe Biden Is Over, So What Are the Democrats Going to Do About It?

[Syaoran Li]

Who's going to vote for someone who already lost like a bitch?
If that's the best the GOP can do, they're doomed.

I never said he'd win in 2024. But he's definitely going to at least try to run a second time out of sheer ego-driven spite.

Whether you love him or hate him, the one thing that is consistent about Donald Trump is that he's got an ego the size of Gibraltar.

 

[Mothra1988]

But hey, I guess traditionalist doomers will ignore actual observable events if it means disrupting their bizarre inverted form of cope.

This is what I hate about these people. They take good news and choose to whine about it as much as the danger-hairs. Like the past month alone, I think if you had the conservative poistion a lot of good stuff happened and some optimism and positivity are warranted, but no they come in and bitch about it as much as liberals because any good news isn't part of their "there will only be bad future news" narrative. These people are losers that get off on losing becuase of some wacky speculative fanfiction in their head and then lash out at people who actually contextualize reality without tunnel vision.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

In 2022, there's nothing much dems can really do. By 2024, the market will have emerged well-enough from its correction and the economy will, presumably, be experiencing unexciting-but-sluggish growth. The interest rate crunch that's coming is after entirely too long of artificially forcing the economy to roar hot, and it doesn't come as much surprise that there was resultant inflation (it was just compacted by the pandemic and outbreak of war in continental europe).

There are rumors that Biden thinks he has to run again, but the man real fuckin' clearly cannot. It wouldn't be surprising if he were to voluntarily step down in the course of his term, honestly. By 2024 no-one will really give a shit about afghanistan (oh wait! people already don't, lol), and much of his unpopularity will just boil down to him being an uninspiring dotard who happened to get in at a terrible time. Whatever dem runs in 2024 won't be held quite as "responsible" for the economy (in so far as presidents can impact economies outside of imposing retarded shit like unilateral tariffs).

Buttigieg seems like, at the moment, the most likely pivot-point. He doesn't really give a shit about progressive initiatives (get your news somewhere other than fox if you think this, seriously), he embodies generally what the average democratic voter likes on a national stage, and he isn't a fucking cryptkeeper. The progressive wing of the party is already on the backfoot because defund the police was a retarded idea that they're having trouble running from, and the wing of YOUNG REVOLUTIONARIES is getting dismayed because reality is more heccin complex than getting updoots on social media might suggest

Republicans also aren't really in crisis, tbh. There was some worry of what happens after trump goes to that big mcdonalds in the sky, but I think the florida governor just takes the reigns comfortably enough. business as usual continues, but we have to pretend it's the end of the world so the permanently-online can do their jobs (for free!) of being free advertising for corpo media

 

[gang weeder]

In 2022, there's nothing much dems can really do. By 2024, the market will have emerged well-enough from its correction and the economy will, presumably, be experiencing unexciting-but-sluggish growth. The interest rate crunch that's coming is after entirely too long of artificially forcing the economy to roar hot, and it doesn't come as much surprise that there was resultant inflation (it was just compacted by the pandemic and outbreak of war in continental europe).

There are rumors that Biden thinks he has to run again, but the man real fuckin' clearly cannot. It wouldn't be surprising if he were to voluntarily step down in the course of his term, honestly. By 2024 no-one will really give a shit about afghanistan (oh wait! people already don't, lol), and much of his unpopularity will just boil down to him being an uninspiring dotard who happened to get in at a terrible time. Whatever dem runs in 2024 won't be held quite as "responsible" for the economy (in so far as presidents can impact economies outside of imposing retarded shit like unilateral tariffs).

Buttigieg seems like, at the moment, the most likely pivot-point. He doesn't really give a shit about progressive initiatives (get your news somewhere other than fox if you think this, seriously), he embodies generally what the average democratic voter likes on a national stage, and he isn't a fucking cryptkeeper. The progressive wing of the party is already on the backfoot because defund the police was a retarded idea that they're having trouble running from, and the wing of YOUNG REVOLUTIONARIES is getting dismayed because reality is more heccin complex than getting updoots on social media might suggest

Republicans also aren't really in crisis, tbh. There was some worry of what happens after trump goes to that big mcdonalds in the sky, but I think the florida governor just takes the reigns comfortably enough. business as usual continues, but we have to pretend it's the end of the world so the permanently-online can do their jobs (for free!) of being free advertising for corpo media

Nice schizo rant.

 

[Mothra1988]

Buttigieg seems like, at the moment, the most likely pivot-point. He doesn't really give a shit about progressive initiatives (get your news somewhere other than fox if you think this, seriously), he embodies generally what the average democratic voter likes on a national stage, and he isn't a fucking cryptkeeper. The progressive wing of the party is already on the backfoot because defund the police was a retarded idea that they're having trouble running from, and the wing of YOUNG REVOLUTIONARIES is getting dismayed because reality is more heccin complex than getting updoots on social media might suggest

You don't think male maternity-leave gate hurt him? I don't think Buttigieg has any chance. He's mainly a media-created figure like Beto. A great white-hope without any genuine support. If he ran, he would lose in his own home state. Everyone who has been to South Bend knows he really didn't improve the town, so Hoosiers don't even buy into this hype surrounding him, and when you can't win over your own home state you have problems.

Also you're miscalcuating how homophobic the Dems' non-white base still is. I don't see how black voters put someone that unabashedly gay in the White House. They'd only vote for closeted politicians like Obama at best. Hell, that may even factor into them voting for Trump over putting a male/male couple in the White House. But beyond all this, Mayor Pete's problem is he's part of the current administration, and the current administration will be associated with economic hardship. That will still make it into a change election since Pete will have to defend Biden's retarded term since he was part of it.

 

[gang weeder]

This is what I hate about these people. They take good news and choose to whine about it as much as the danger-hairs. Like the past month alone, I think if you had the conservative poistion a lot of good stuff happened and some optimism and positivity are warranted, but no they come in and bitch about it as much as liberals because any good news isn't part of their "there will only be bad future news" narrative. These people are losers that get off on losing becuase of some wacky speculative fanfiction in their head and then lash out at people who actually contextualize reality without tunnel vision.

I think Elon Musk buying Twitter *might* actually be good news that matters. Possibly the first such instance since Blumpft got elected back in 2016. I still reserve judgment until we see how much Musk actually follows through, but if he does, that would be a "win" that actually matters.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

You don't think male maternity-leave gate hurt him?

I didn't even know this was a thing. I remember some people were mad about the ports being backed up over in California during the supply crunch, which the secretary of transportation dubiously has some influence over, but every major port globally was bogged during that initial shuffle. Outside of a handful of politically-active conservatives I know, I didn't really hear anyone talking about this.

The federal department of transportation is besides a massive organ that's fullwell capable of operating without its figurehead at the reigns, as the Trump administration proved in several other departments languishing without functional heads for months and being... just fine. There's some merit to the idea that just by being a part of the admin he'll be tarred and feathered, but I thought he was also getting tarred and feathered before for lacking governmental experience - so long as the criticisms are easy to predict, political figures can at least in theory prepare for them.

I don't see how black voters put someone that unabashedly gay in the White House.

Older black voters are more homophobic, sure, but younger ones parse out like the rest of the younger population. And the younger ones moderating tends to moderate the other folks below retirement age, like has happened with all the other demographics. The black vote is also starting to matter less than the hispanic vote - and while you run into strong catholic values among that population, you still tend to have the generational spread. Younger folks vote less on the whole, but eh - shore him up with a strong VP, or make him VP to a dark horse candidate, and you could allay some of that.

The main thing is that Buttigieg is a best of the worst situation. He's now had more experience in politics, the 'skeletons' in his closet are pretty damn milquetoast, he's got a solid education, he's got a history of service in the military, he's charismatic enough of a personality - compare him to the other contenders. Kamala? Warren? I don't even know who else is realistically in-play at the moment, and they've only got two years to get on the ball.

Harris has real skeletons in her closet and is on hillary clinton levels of charismatically unlikable, and while Warren can actually throw a bit of fire around on the stage, she's too into progressive policies that don't really fly outside of yuppie demographics. Afghanistan and Buttigieg's adventures in paid leave are things that you can dredge up, but you're not gonna need to even dig to get people to remember how hilariously the progressives' 2020 raison d'être backfired in every fucking city they slapped it in. If she tries to step away from them or moderate, progressives and the right will align against her in the general election, because American progressives' motto is "the perfect should always be the enemy of the good."

The other thing to keep in mind is that it really doesn't matter what conservatives or conservative media push about Buttiboy. Not a one of those people is voting for anything but R on the ticket, and the majority of their audiences are of that same conviction. Whether independents really care that Buttiboy was attached to the Biden admin will hang on how the economy is doing in 2023-2024 more than anything. If it's a slow, languid recovery - and obviously no-one cares if influencing factors are out of the admin's control, hence why it was dumb for people to ding trump for the nov 2020 economic forecast - then they're pretty screwed in 2024 barring a miracle. BUT you can bet the progressive wing will never acknowledge they've got a band hand and need to play shrewdly, so there's bound to be some funny shit to watch in the primary

 

[Mothra1988]

I didn't even know this was a thing. I remember some people were mad about the ports being backed up over in California during the supply crunch, which the secretary of transportation dubiously has some influence over, but every major port globally was bogged during that initial shuffle. Outside of a handful of politically-active conservatives I know, I didn't really hear anyone talking about this.

The federal department of transportation is besides a massive organ that's fullwell capable of operating without its figurehead at the reigns, as the Trump administration proved in several other departments languishing without functional heads for months and being... just fine. There's some merit to the idea that just by being a part of the admin he'll be tarred and feathered, but I thought he was also getting tarred and feathered before for lacking governmental experience - so long as the criticisms are easy to predict, political figures can at least in theory prepare for them.

Older black voters are more homophobic, sure, but younger ones parse out like the rest of the younger population. And the younger ones moderating tends to moderate the other folks below retirement age, like has happened with all the other demographics. The black vote is also starting to matter less than the hispanic vote - and while you run into strong catholic values among that population, you still tend to have the generational spread. Younger folks vote less on the whole, but eh - shore him up with a strong VP, or make him VP to a dark horse candidate, and you could allay some of that.

The main thing is that Buttigieg is a best of the worst situation. He's now had more experience in politics, the 'skeletons' in his closet are pretty damn milquetoast, he's got a solid education, he's got a history of service in the military, he's charismatic enough of a personality - compare him to the other contenders. Kamala? Warren? I don't even know who else is realistically in-play at the moment, and they've only got two years to get on the ball.

Harris has real skeletons in her closet and is on hillary clinton levels of charismatically unlikable, and while Warren can actually throw a bit of fire around on the stage, she's too into progressive policies that don't really fly outside of yuppie demographics. Afghanistan and Buttigieg's adventures in paid leave are things that you can dredge up, but you're not gonna need to even dig to get people to remember how hilariously the progressives' 2020 raison d'être backfired in every fucking city they slapped it in. If she tries to step away from them or moderate, progressives and the right will align against her in the general election, because American progressives' motto is "the perfect should always be the enemy of the good."

The other thing to keep in mind is that it really doesn't matter what conservatives or conservative media push about Buttiboy. Not a one of those people is voting for anything but R on the ticket, and the majority of their audiences are of that same conviction. Whether independents really care that Buttiboy was attached to the Biden admin will hang on how the economy is doing in 2023-2024 more than anything. If it's a slow, languid recovery - and obviously no-one cares if influencing factors are out of the admin's control, hence why it was dumb for people to ding trump for the nov 2020 economic forecast - then they're pretty screwed in 2024 barring a miracle. BUT you can bet the progressive wing will never acknowledge they've got a band hand and need to play shrewdly, so there's bound to be some funny shit to watch in the primary

You can like Mayor Pete as much as you want, but it doesn't matter. Black voters in the south, while having nothing to do with who wins the presidential election, always choose who the Democrat candidate is. This is the paradigm that has existed for many decades now, and it was that exact paradigm that made Biden president because black southern primary voters associated him with Obama.

Pete already failed this test big time in 2019 when he finished fourth in South Carolina. That was literally the end of his future presidential ambitions, and the DNC/think tank number crunchers are smart enough to not pick him as their guy after that. The problem is some white liberals don't even understand the mechanics of their own primary system. They can fangirl all they want over their Bernies, Elizabeth Warrens and Mayor Petes, but when the primary season moves into the south and the wheat gets separated from the chaff, these candidates are always sent packing even after they seemed like they had it in the bag because of the results in Iowa and New Hampshire where white Dems voted for their preferred white liberal candidates.

As for blacks and gays, this I think is another white liberal misunderstanding of things due to misconceptions due to leftwing media tokenism/etc.. Blacks have a hell of a lot more biases than white liberals think they do. In general, blacks are fine with gays as long as they stay in the closet. I'm sure you have a huge list of white celebrities coming out of the closet, but how many black celebrities did the same? It's pretty much zero. It's because that's the down-lo, Baptist black culture. You know how many rappers are gay and pretend not to be? It's a lot. Dr. Dre and 2Pac were both gay men, and no one will ever talk about that, even biographers thirty years from now because that's how black culture works.

The shift you see with the Twitter/Tumblr influenced white people cherry-picking the opposite doesn't change that, because again that's white liberal culture, not black culture in the urban centers of South Carolina, Georgia, etc. that every Dem candidate must make it through to be president.

So yeah, Mayor Pete has no chance. And also taking a several month vacation to be a nurse maid for his child in a presidential administration during a logistics crisis was his Bridge Gate, but that won't even need to come into play again because he won't get that far because southern black voters don't like him.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

lol so the anti-quote function apparently crunches the total size of the post, not just the part of the post that can actually be quoted and shuts off my ability to just grab sentences

Spoiler: ill put this one in the box

so pete had no chance in SC... among who was running in 2020. Biden stomped at 50%, with the one next up being the good Saint Bernard at 20%. Then you had of all people Steyer (11) , and then in fourth came the neophyte political nobody who popped out of nowhere, beating out the 8-years-running senator Warren by a hair ( 8 v 7). Sanders and Biden are too fucking old to run again, and so from this race, their inheritors are Warren and Buttigieg, respectively.

Unless you get a dark horse cropping up from out of nowhere, that's where the party is going to direct those votes. Obama didn't announce his candidacy until 2007, so there is still time for a better option to come out of the woodwork - but with what they've got not, the big homo's their best pivot point. Could be a biden himself if someone like abrams decides to run (she's a little out there but would perform better than harris for sure). has she ruled out a run yet? oh apparently she said she'll do it if biden doesn't so that'll be funny, I could see abrams-butt 2024 run. she's even apparently been juking being seen with the old codger in chief, and is gunning for governor again this year. a win there would be good momentum, and she's learned a lot about running the political machine since that first run

tyler the creator and lil nas x showed there's different attitudes in objective senses between whitie and blackie on the gays, yeah. the trends, nevertheless, are the same - younger folks care less, that bleeds slightly upward until it farts out at the olds. religiousness splits hard on generational lines, and the other group you'll run into that goes hard on them fags is them HOOD folks, who aren't fucking voting anyways. Like I heard this cope when hilldog lost, ITS CUZ THEM BLACKIES HATE WOMEN, nah man she was just a shit candidate. sure, on average, black men are more misogynistic than white men. but you can't rely on that block turning out at like 80%+ in every election, that's garbage strategy (and it was hillary's strategy)

I wouldn't count bendy butt out so soon, because southern blacks also don't really tend to watch conservative outlets complaining about his performance. and also because 2024 is an important year congressionally. democrats desperately need to win back purple, affluent suburbs that they torched relations with after 2020's fallout - the demo pete does well with. defund the police got a lot of democratic insiders livid about the retard squad, so if no-one terribly inspiring turns up to run for president, they may just run someone who can't win but also won't be caustic to downstream elections (as a warren doubtless would)

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Do you think people were voting blue because they liked Joe Biden? No, they were just voting blue. No one was excited to vote for Joe Biden in particular.

They openly admit this, too. It's not speculation or assumptions, even the most hardcore libtards don't like him if only because he's a straight white male. They'll all cum in their pants if they get a chance to elect a black disabled lesbian.

Who's going to vote for someone who already lost like a bitch?
If that's the best the GOP can do, they're doomed.

Maybe not Republicans, but Democrats will. Biden failed miserably twice before against weaker competition. Then he magically, totally legitimately won by becoming the "most popular president".

This is what I hate about these people. They take good news and choose to whine about it as much as the danger-hairs. Like the past month alone, I think if you had the conservative poistion a lot of good stuff happened and some optimism and positivity are warranted, but no they come in and bitch about it as much as liberals because any good news isn't part of their "there will only be bad future news" narrative. These people are losers that get off on losing becuase of some wacky speculative fanfiction in their head and then lash out at people who actually contextualize reality without tunnel vision.

Go ahead and get your hopes up because of some minor positive occurrences, don't throw a fit because people are realists or pessimistic. By all means, be a delusional, overconfident retard, surely that will help more than looking at things with a modicum of actual concern.

 

[byuu]

Then he magically, totally legitimately won by becoming the "most popular president".

Oh wow how sussy, he got more total votes than anyone, in an an election with more voters than ever before.

Donald Trump is apparently the second most popular president in history by that retarded standard:

 

[Mothra1988]

lol so the anti-quote function apparently crunches the total size of the post, not just the part of the post that can actually be quoted and shuts off my ability to just grab sentences

Spoiler: ill put this one in the box

so pete had no chance in SC... among who was running in 2020. Biden stomped at 50%, with the one next up being the good Saint Bernard at 20%. Then you had of all people Steyer (11) , and then in fourth came the neophyte political nobody who popped out of nowhere, beating out the 8-years-running senator Warren by a hair ( 8 v 7). Sanders and Biden are too fucking old to run again, and so from this race, their inheritors are Warren and Buttigieg, respectively.

Unless you get a dark horse cropping up from out of nowhere, that's where the party is going to direct those votes. Obama didn't announce his candidacy until 2007, so there is still time for a better option to come out of the woodwork - but with what they've got not, the big homo's their best pivot point. Could be a biden himself if someone like abrams decides to run (she's a little out there but would perform better than harris for sure). has she ruled out a run yet? oh apparently she said she'll do it if biden doesn't so that'll be funny, I could see abrams-butt 2024 run. she's even apparently been juking being seen with the old codger in chief, and is gunning for governor again this year. a win there would be good momentum, and she's learned a lot about running the political machine since that first run

tyler the creator and lil nas x showed there's different attitudes in objective senses between whitie and blackie on the gays, yeah. the trends, nevertheless, are the same - younger folks care less, that bleeds slightly upward until it farts out at the olds. religiousness splits hard on generational lines, and the other group you'll run into that goes hard on them fags is them HOOD folks, who aren't fucking voting anyways. Like I heard this cope when hilldog lost, ITS CUZ THEM BLACKIES HATE WOMEN, nah man she was just a shit candidate. sure, on average, black men are more misogynistic than white men. but you can't rely on that block turning out at like 80%+ in every election, that's garbage strategy (and it was hillary's strategy)

I wouldn't count bendy butt out so soon, because southern blacks also don't really tend to watch conservative outlets complaining about his performance. and also because 2024 is an important year congressionally. democrats desperately need to win back purple, affluent suburbs that they torched relations with after 2020's fallout - the demo pete does well with. defund the police got a lot of democratic insiders livid about the retard squad, so if no-one terribly inspiring turns up to run for president, they may just run someone who can't win but also won't be caustic to downstream elections (as a warren doubtless would)

I'm not the only one who thinks Pete has no chance. It's the Democrat establishment. If he was gay white Obama, people were hilariously saying that out loud I remember, he would have been put on the ticket as VP. Instead he got a literal last place consolation prize, Transportation Secretary. Let's take a look at the last several Transportation Secretaries:

15		Mary Peters	Arizona	October 17, 2006	January 20, 2009
16		Ray LaHood	Illinois	January 23, 2009	July 2, 2013		Barack Obama
17		Anthony Foxx	North Carolina	July 2, 2013	January 20, 2017
–		Michael Huerta Acting	California	January 20, 2017	January 31, 2017		Donald Trump
18		Elaine Chao	Kentucky	January 31, 2017	January 11, 2021
–		Steven G. Bradbury Acting	Oregon	January 12, 2021	January 20, 2021
–		Lana Hurdle Acting	Virginia	January 20, 2021	February 3, 2021		Joe Biden

Which of these people went on to become president? Fuck, he took a job that's not supposed to be noticed really and still managed to make extremely negative headlines out of it in an extremely unpopular administration. Dude is dunzo. I'm sorry. He can run again, but it will be a repeat of last time except with even worse results. He's another Beto flavor of the month candidate the media loved but had phantom popularity with the voting public. Not only will he never be president, he will never be vice president either.

You're also ignoring the fact that this isn't blacks in DC or NYC, it's blacks in the deep south. All your white MSNBC libtard candidates fail when they go down there. It's just a fact of life. You can get all hyped up all you want during Iowa and New Hampshire, but after that it's going to be the old Charlie Brown with the football routine like it was was with Bernie the last two cycles. This is actually one of the reasons why I think Hillary will go again, because southern blacks will vote for her again like they did last time because of her association with Bill Clinton.

Go ahead and get your hopes up because of some minor positive occurrences, don't throw a fit because people are realists or pessimistic. By all means, be a delusional, overconfident retard, surely that will help more than looking at things with a modicum of actual concern.

The ones who are masters at throwing a fit are the AF DOOM and GLOOM NatSoc Crew. You've been chimping out about Trump and the right for years at this point. This thread was about Biden and the Democrats and immediately it turns to crying about the orange man, DeSantis, the republican party, etc. (even LoliTard bringing up Fox News) not from people on the left (well you are on the left, not just in the same way) but from people who claim to be on the other side. No one is fooled by this stuff and thinks you're just an independent arbiter of truth who became pessimistic by sure happenstance.

You're the kind of person who would probably go into the abortion thread and shit on pro-choice people yet still shit on Trump and say he accomplished absolutely nothing despite the fact he's the only reason the court even flipped that way. I mean I'm not traditional right wing, but there's no way someone like you has the same concerns as the average Republican voter. I'm not stupid. So no, I don't take the "attacking winning because losing is your only future" strategy you have at face value

 

[TurdEthics]

This thread is 3 pages & I haven't seen a single "shit themselves & do nothing."

I'm disappointed in you all.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

once again the quote isn't working so @Mothra88 here ping

Spoiler: vacuum sealed, have a sniff

when was the last time a secretary of anything went on to become president?
trump no, obama no, w bush no (cheney vp, sec of defense), clinton no, hw bush no (DCI debatable), reagan no, carter no, ford no, nixon no, johnson no, etc etc. Secretary of State being a shoe-in for nomination / election hasn't applied in half of a century to a century. there aren't a lot of trends with the modern moment either: bush was the son of a former president, obama was a dark horse, trump was the darkest horse you've ever seen, then biden is some old insider former VP / chronically-in-washington guy. permeation of the internet has shattered old maxims that had been buckling since 2008 anyways

I also completely forgot butty did well in the early primaries. I don't really pay attention to those anymore. Iowa isn't really purple and its caucus doesn't reflect the nation-at-large, nor does in general any of the new england ones. I'm speaking wholly from the fact that he got creamed-but by the two lead frontrunners, Sanders and Biden. Third for a complete nobody was impressive. And both of those guys are getting put in a home (I hope). It's true that he had bad rep with people of brown in the country, as this article details, but it's also true that Warren (and people like Booker) weren't doing any better, and his move to step out even before super tuesday may have helped to curry a lot of favor with the party apparatchiks. That's why I keep an eye on him, the party still has strong brokers and (until abrams or an at-current-unknown steps up to bat) he remains the best of the worst. note this is not saying he stands much of a chance in 2024, I just more think the party isn't DONE FOREVER as I've heard so many times in so many elections in my entirely too long brief stint on this earth

but on hilldog, clinton's 2016 performance among basketball-americans was only marginally better than al freakin' gore, marginally worse than john freakin' kerry, and really really bad among younger blacks (african americans are younger on average than the US as a whole). Plus, she lost to cheetos hitler - I just can't see her as a pick again. Even moderate people I know who were ostensibly enthusiastic about her groan at the suggestion, and republicans have broadly coalesced around Trump while democrats still have a strong wing that hates the shit out of her guts. anti-trump republicans have either been primaried or retired before they got primaried, leaving the group with a narrow but focused demographic that could easily exploit more classic democratic infighting

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Oh wow how sussy, he got more total votes than anyone, in an an election with more voters than ever before.

Donald Trump is apparently the second most popular president in history by that retarded standard:

Are we just going to ignore Biden's previous miserable losses? An election with more voters than ever before doesn't account for how many votes the Weekend at Bernie's president got.

I mean, the gap between Trump & Biden in '20 (7m+) was bigger than if you compare the gap between Trump in '20 and Obama's victory back in '12 (4m+). The gap between Hillary & Trump in '16 was just under 3m.

Want to explain why Biden is so popular that he makes Trump's numbers look more like they belong in a race from 2012 than 2020 despite "muh more voters than evar"?

Either way, where will more Republican voters come from? I think we're tapped out. I don't believe there's over 7m more who simply didn't vote, and don't count on getting many more new young voters. Democrats at minimum will maintain Biden 81m, and there's no reason to think the brainwashed teenagers who couldn't vote before won't now bolster Democrat numbers in '24, this is what the groomers have prepared them for and is why Democrats want to lower the age restriction for voting.

 

[gang weeder]

The ones who are masters at throwing a fit are the AF DOOM and GLOOM NatSoc Crew. You've been chimping out about Trump and the right for years at this point. This thread was about Biden and the Democrats and immediately it turns to crying about the orange man, DeSantis, the republican party, etc. (even LoliTard bringing up Fox News) not from people on the left (well you are on the left, not just in the same way) but from people who claim to be on the other side. No one is fooled by this stuff and thinks you're just an independent arbiter of truth who became pessimistic by sure happenstance.

You're the kind of person who would probably go into the abortion thread and shit on pro-choice people yet still shit on Trump and say he accomplished absolutely nothing despite the fact he's the only reason the court even flipped that way. I mean I'm not traditional right wing, but there's no way someone like you has the same concerns as the average Republican voter. I'm not stupid. So no, I don't take the "attacking winning because losing is your only future" strategy you have at face value

Another thing I'll admit is an "actual win" will be the overturn of Roe v Wade, *if* it actually happens. Right now it's just a leak so I remain cautious until it actually for sure definitely happens. But if it does, then yeah, that's more than I expected. And appointing those SCOTUS justices will have probably been the most meaningful thing Trump did, after getting elected in the first place.

 

[mrolonzo]

Surely you just OP. Since when has public speaking been a bar to office in the USA? Joe can go on indefinitely at this rate.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

We're gonna seed it, feed it, chuck it, suck it, and fuck it

 

[The Ugly One]

Pete the Butt Geek had terrible polling with black voters, which is why he and everyone else not named Joe Biden tapped out for Super Tuesday.

Want to explain why Biden is so popular that he makes Trump's numbers look more like they belong in a race from 2012 than 2020 despite "muh more voters than evar"?

Caveat: I still think fraud tipped GA, MI, PA, and WI. States don't coordinate counting shutdowns and then all miraculously come up with gigantic spikes that all go the same way. It's just too bad that Trump's legal team sucked (plus the GOP was in on it).

That said, even discounting the 4am Vote Fairy, there were ten-point swings toward the Democrats in every suburban county in America. I examined this myself, using the NYT's interactive county map. I looked at city after city. Didn't matter if I looked in the Midwest, the South, the Southwest, wherever...if it was D+2 in 2016, it was D+11 in 2020. If it was R+5 in 2016, it was D+4 in 2020. On and on. Yeah, sure, the Democrats cheated big time in Michigan, but not in Texas, Nebraska, Indiana, and on and on. They didn't pull out all the stops to cheat in states where they don't control the machinery, because they couldn't and had no reason to.

Suburban white women hated Trump. For them, it really was about mean tweets and crying children in cages. These voters love the idea of loving minorities, the homeless, refugees, and all that. These are also women who tend to be at home and either watching TV or scrolling Facebook much of the day, so they were much more susceptible to the media's constant messaging that Trump was a rude, vile, vicious racist.

I don't think those swings are permanent, and I don't think the media can successfully run that op against every Republican candidate forever. Trump was a larger-than-life caricature of himself, which made him an easy target. Also, Democrats are on the verge of losing Hispanics. The spic vote is a working-class vote, not a racial identity vote, and fucking over the working class in the service of their Chinese and Megacorp paymasters is costing the Dems dearly. This is free money on the table for the Republicans to pick up, they just have to accept that Megacorp no longer loves them.

 

[Grant McClellan]

Joe Biden is not over. He's been a way better president than Trump. Go Biden and fuck Trump