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The 5th film was supposedly shot back-to-back with 4th, but the coof happened & that got halted.
John Wick 4 and 5 - "Keanu's Gun-fu Show" meets "Fast and Furious"
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And it was all done with a fifth of the budget of this new one.
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Just got done watching it. Alright, I guess. I just zoned out after a while. Things should've stayed more grounded. The whole international assassin group thing needed to be built up rather than dived right in. Less flashy lights and neat-looking sets and quicker back-alley fights. Build up the High Table, the Old Man on the Mountain, and how John got into it in the second movie before showing how deep the rabbit hole really goes.
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A lot of people got killed in stylish and entertaining ways.
As for the movie, I liked everything about it except the story, which lost the plot in Part 2 and has that Chris Carter "very clearly making it up as you go along" feel to it. It's that superhero movie problem where you keep introducing new characters and abilities that make the previous events obsolete, only in this case with rules that were supposedly there the entire time. What's that, Winston? If I win a High Table dual I get whatever I want, and you knew about this? Is there a particular reason you didn't tell me about this back when I was feuding with a member of the Table, you senile prick?
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Comparing this to the first movie really shows how bloated and dumb the franchise has become. The first was grounded and had some 'danger' to it, this one Job gets hit by several cars in a row, bounces down buildings, gets shot and saved by his magic suit and takes on army after army of super assasins with ease. It just became a pretty colours shooting scene and at some point my brain went on autopilot and I zoned out, shoving popcorn into my mouth waiting for the end.
So so movie, wouldn't be in a hurry to see it again.
So so movie, wouldn't be in a hurry to see it again.
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I'll wait a few months to hoist the sails and check it out, I don't think I'll pay to go the theater for this one.
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As much I dislike the sequels, I'm at least glad this film is surpassing generic capeshit goyslop number 693 at the box office.
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I liked it for what it was worth. First is still the best and the sequels really don't hold a candle to its quality, but this one was really fun. The absurd violence and carnage was enough to keep me entertained—especially near the end with the Hotline Miami reference and John getting ahold of a shotty with some Dragon's Breath. That was a very neat sequence. Ending was good too, and looks to my weab brain to be an homage to Cowboy Bebop's ending where Spike collapses on some stairs and it is left ambiguous whether he lived or not.
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Cowboy Bebop as cliche AF, probably could've done better homaging a particular gun scene from the last fight from Trigun.
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It was alright. Some combat scenes were too long, especially around the arc of triumph and in Osaka Continental. The combat scene with the dragon breath shotgun though was excellent. Loved the slow panning camera overhead.
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I am the only oldfag who noticed the entire sequence to Sacré-Cœur was an 'homage' to The Warriors right down to playing "Nowhere to Run"?
EDIT: Scott Adkins whipping Keanu Reeves' ass while wearing a fat suit was a lot funnier than it should have been.
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It was okay. Didn't think it worked well as a finale, though.
- Mr. Nobody was completely pointless. Given the dog, I actually wonder if Halle Berry's character was supposed to return but something happened that they rewrote the role.
- The whole Osaka beginning portion felt needless. In fact, the film's plot feels like it doesn't even really start until John meets with Winston.
- As others have said, it really feels like they were just making shit up as they shot the film; "John can get out of his problem if he, um... if he challenges this guy a to duel! Yeah, that'll work."
- Donnie Yen as Caine was cool and all but introducing him as like the emotional heart of the story and John willingly dying for him just did not work at all for me.
- John dying like that in general felt incredibly limp to me. What happened to his whole, "I'll continue to live so that my wife lives on through me." thing from the third film? Throwing that out and dying for an 'old friend' that we just met was shit writing.
Still, it's a stylish, well-shot movie with a lot of great action, so I mostly enjoyed it.
- Mr. Nobody was completely pointless. Given the dog, I actually wonder if Halle Berry's character was supposed to return but something happened that they rewrote the role.
- The whole Osaka beginning portion felt needless. In fact, the film's plot feels like it doesn't even really start until John meets with Winston.
- As others have said, it really feels like they were just making shit up as they shot the film; "John can get out of his problem if he, um... if he challenges this guy a to duel! Yeah, that'll work."
- Donnie Yen as Caine was cool and all but introducing him as like the emotional heart of the story and John willingly dying for him just did not work at all for me.
- John dying like that in general felt incredibly limp to me. What happened to his whole, "I'll continue to live so that my wife lives on through me." thing from the third film? Throwing that out and dying for an 'old friend' that we just met was shit writing.
Still, it's a stylish, well-shot movie with a lot of great action, so I mostly enjoyed it.
I've seen a lot of people bring it up. That septum piercing annoyed the fuck out of me; I can't imagine having something constantly rubbing against my lip every time I talk.
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I feel like they should have been able to do some more impressive or clever action sequences with a blind swordsman, or at least visually communicate that he's blind through his fighting style. There's only an entire subgenre to draw from for inspiration.
Take away the sunglasses and the character introduction, and in quite a few of the scenes, it seems like they just had him fight like someone with unimpaired vision.
Take away the sunglasses and the character introduction, and in quite a few of the scenes, it seems like they just had him fight like someone with unimpaired vision.
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This movie ignores almost everything the previous 2 established. FFS the family that was so pissed off at Wick for killing their heirs is nowhere to be seen and John being thirsty for Winston's blood is completely ignored. This movie never had a chance.
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I liked it, stupid plot and stair falling and everything. The Dragon's Breath sequence was amazing. But I can't get past Keanu giving the most split performance I have ever seen in a movie.
He was great in the action scenes, even when doing dumb things like hiding behind his jacket or doing a WWF tumble down 400 stairs. But EVERY SINGLE LINE he spoke was bizarrely delivered. Not wooden, not lazy, it was like he intentionally messed up every line read to make it as weird as possible. I can't put this down to mere bad acting, it was too consistent, he had to have been going for a specific characterization.
I am amazed the director didn't snap him out of it. It's jarring in every scene. Every other speaking actor in the movie did just fine on the acting front, though Laurence Fishburn was hamming it up and the Osaka concierge girl wasn't good.
There's a point where Keanu just says "yeah". One word, that's the whole line. He's hunched over and beat up, clearly tired, all he needs to do is act resigned and tired. But he can't manage that for a single word. He delivers "yeah" with an upward inflection, like you just asked a teenager if we should stop at McDonald's on the way home. It's the exact opposite of what any newbie actor at their first reading could see was needed: downward inflection, slight trail off, weariness in face and voice.
How does the "whoa" guy fail at saying "yeah" so badly?
He was great in the action scenes, even when doing dumb things like hiding behind his jacket or doing a WWF tumble down 400 stairs. But EVERY SINGLE LINE he spoke was bizarrely delivered. Not wooden, not lazy, it was like he intentionally messed up every line read to make it as weird as possible. I can't put this down to mere bad acting, it was too consistent, he had to have been going for a specific characterization.
I am amazed the director didn't snap him out of it. It's jarring in every scene. Every other speaking actor in the movie did just fine on the acting front, though Laurence Fishburn was hamming it up and the Osaka concierge girl wasn't good.
There's a point where Keanu just says "yeah". One word, that's the whole line. He's hunched over and beat up, clearly tired, all he needs to do is act resigned and tired. But he can't manage that for a single word. He delivers "yeah" with an upward inflection, like you just asked a teenager if we should stop at McDonald's on the way home. It's the exact opposite of what any newbie actor at their first reading could see was needed: downward inflection, slight trail off, weariness in face and voice.
How does the "whoa" guy fail at saying "yeah" so badly?
I'll cut them some slack on the bulletproof jacket thing. The way they used it, they were clearly orchestrating fights around shooting more bullets into guys than should be needed. The magic jackets were the excuse to let Wick keep shooting a guy 10+ times, then still needing to do a takedown and execution headshot.
Normal action scene gunfights get extended by throwing absurd numbers of goons onto screen. They get shot once, then get replaced. JW4's fights have a clear style of fewer guys, but they stick around for longer. Combined with the longer camera shots and lack of shakycam, I really liked the style and the choreography it allowed. I'm willing to suspend disbelief as long as they kept it roughly consistent, which they seemed to do.
Normal action scene gunfights get extended by throwing absurd numbers of goons onto screen. They get shot once, then get replaced. JW4's fights have a clear style of fewer guys, but they stick around for longer. Combined with the longer camera shots and lack of shakycam, I really liked the style and the choreography it allowed. I'm willing to suspend disbelief as long as they kept it roughly consistent, which they seemed to do.
I like the action enough to keep watching, so I'm torn on whether a sequel should happen. I really hope this is the end of the Wick storyline, but I don't believe they'll do it. It made too much money, and they've shown too much willingness to pull dumb contrivances to extract a sequel. (FWIW I didn't interpret the ending as Wick allowing Cain to kill him, more like it was a gamble that went slightly wrong.)
Also, they haven't shown us The Table proper; the Marquis was delegated power, and the Harbinger is a functionary. They hinted at a crime family structure in multiple movies now but haven't fleshed it out. I can easily see a sequel going higher up the chain.
If they have to do sequels and spinoffs, they really need to show side characters carrying out actual assassinations. So far, all these badass super assassins have never killed a regular target on screen. It's all been killing other assassins, or others in the Table hierarchy, or wiping out "safe houses" under the Table, etc.
How did Wick get his reputation without wiping out Table forces earlier? What big targets are earning all these assassins all these gold markers, so many markers that you can run an underground hotel economy on them? These are not necessary story points that NEED to be filled, but if you're going to give us more in this world that's the only way I can see it being interesting.
Also, they haven't shown us The Table proper; the Marquis was delegated power, and the Harbinger is a functionary. They hinted at a crime family structure in multiple movies now but haven't fleshed it out. I can easily see a sequel going higher up the chain.
If they have to do sequels and spinoffs, they really need to show side characters carrying out actual assassinations. So far, all these badass super assassins have never killed a regular target on screen. It's all been killing other assassins, or others in the Table hierarchy, or wiping out "safe houses" under the Table, etc.
How did Wick get his reputation without wiping out Table forces earlier? What big targets are earning all these assassins all these gold markers, so many markers that you can run an underground hotel economy on them? These are not necessary story points that NEED to be filled, but if you're going to give us more in this world that's the only way I can see it being interesting.
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Great movie. Anyone who doesn't like it is exceptional. Learn to suspend your disbelief, faggots.
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I saw it a few days ago I liked but it falls apart once you start to think about it.
If they do make a 5th film can they please for the love of God stop introducing MORE CHARACTERS! I don't care about some "old super best friend" that was such a good friend he never mentioned or talked to in the last 3 films what happened to John or the next film about the high tables tax policy.
I thought that too, as the desert guy was supposed to be the same one who cut off John's finger so that could be the case. he's just some black who follows John and does nothing and literally just watched the ending, I thought something would happen with the dog being a Parelell with John but nada.
She was garbage should have used the guy from GTA 5
I thought the same too and would cut the sunrise.
If they do make a 5th film can they please for the love of God stop introducing MORE CHARACTERS! I don't care about some "old super best friend" that was such a good friend he never mentioned or talked to in the last 3 films what happened to John or the next film about the high tables tax policy.
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Not at all. I gave the screen two thumbs up as soon as that homage started. I had a giant grin on my face all the way through that scene.
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It was really good, it fully embraced being a video game film and the result is a lot of goofy fun and some great action scenes. The standout was the Miami Hotline sequence which honestly is cool enough for an entire film, it only missed strapping a gopro on the stuntman and going Hardcore Henry.
Mr. Nobody was better than Hally Berry, and the use of the dog was slightly less "why the fuck don't they shoot at it?". Blind guy was awesome, it's nice he is just somewhat selectively blind rather than having some stupid eco location bullshit.
An improvement over the last film is having both different sets and parts on the set, making the fight feel less samey, and having a "cast" of characters and enemies added some variety to the combat. The Japan sequence with the oni soldiers was ridiculously stupid and fun.
I also have no idea why John was in Japan at the start, I could get he is traveling around using hobo highway, but the entire point of the third film was that everywhere he goes he'll be hunted but here he just goes on the subway as usual, you can justify it in that he was assumed dead but the question is wtf he wanted to achieve since the implication was toppling the table and nothing really happened.
Liked the ending reference to Cowboy Bebop, gives it enough leeway for a sequel.
Biggest issue is that it's incredibly long and the script could have a hatchet. Also you could play a game of taking a shot every time Keanu gets hit by a car.
Edit: Two more points, one that it's pretty funny that Mr. Nobody character motivation was buying a house, like it's Cruelty Squad. Second that the Asian stunt men kinda became ridiculous when they appear outside Japan with a pasted bushy moustache to look less Asian.
Mr. Nobody was better than Hally Berry, and the use of the dog was slightly less "why the fuck don't they shoot at it?". Blind guy was awesome, it's nice he is just somewhat selectively blind rather than having some stupid eco location bullshit.
An improvement over the last film is having both different sets and parts on the set, making the fight feel less samey, and having a "cast" of characters and enemies added some variety to the combat. The Japan sequence with the oni soldiers was ridiculously stupid and fun.
I also have no idea why John was in Japan at the start, I could get he is traveling around using hobo highway, but the entire point of the third film was that everywhere he goes he'll be hunted but here he just goes on the subway as usual, you can justify it in that he was assumed dead but the question is wtf he wanted to achieve since the implication was toppling the table and nothing really happened.
Liked the ending reference to Cowboy Bebop, gives it enough leeway for a sequel.
Biggest issue is that it's incredibly long and the script could have a hatchet. Also you could play a game of taking a shot every time Keanu gets hit by a car.
Edit: Two more points, one that it's pretty funny that Mr. Nobody character motivation was buying a house, like it's Cruelty Squad. Second that the Asian stunt men kinda became ridiculous when they appear outside Japan with a pasted bushy moustache to look less Asian.
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