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[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Morgane has updated the original blog post of 4/19/19 to reflect JY threatening Morgane with the legal letter.

What I found most telling was this quote from Morgane's article (ICYMI: http://archive.li/EMLZg):

When there is a predator among us, we can’t hear you if you bury your words in hatred and if you don’t reach out.

I don't know if I'm misinterpreting this, but the initial impression I got from this sentence was, "If you're not an ally and we think you're bashing us simply for being trans, we won't address your concerns no matter how true and substantiated they may be."

It used to be the case when there was a bad actor within a group, people in that group would be almost too eager to distance themselves from the person causing trouble and quickly say, "That person doesn't represent all of us, so don't judge us accordingly." Now, loyalty among transgenders that act as mere men in dresses has apparently become first and foremost to the point they will actively defend, white knight, or justify the behavior of their bad actors while doing nothing to speak out against the offenders and their behavior.

Here, it's horrifying that Morgane has the chutzpah to write the quote I cited with his passage above that boils down to: "If we think you hate us, your concerns and criticisms -- no matter how valid -- fall on deaf ears. Now stay in your lane". If there was any doubt before, the original, mealy-mouthed quote seems to bolster the belief that Morgane's reputation is more important to self-defend than it is for Morgane to express concern about JY's history of creepy behavior towards women and girls and the harm it does to transgendered relationships and bridge-building with the community at large.

E: Spelling

 

[2nd_time_user]

So if JY had publicly apologised for the screencapped tweets, Oger would've carried merrily on supporting him?



Evidently in Oger's troon paradise, when a pedo says sorry it makes them a trustworthy person again, and no-one should have a thing to worry about. Nice opportunism, though, dunking on Yaniv when his position is no longer tenable, in the hope that everyone will congratulate Oger on saving them from the horrid pedophile (and not those transphobic bitches, the terfs).

I wonder what Oger is hiding?

Basically, Oger told JY what to do: Slow your roll, say The Screenshots were an artifact of troon transage adolescence, show you're beyond that now. In JY's mind, he had followed instructions. He privatized his SM. He released the Soundcloud "apology" and quit overtly denying the screenshots to BCHRT. He went to TOL to brag about getting mutual enemy Meghan Murphy kicked from Twitter while taking up Oger's cause for transkids. However, JY missed that what Oger really wanted was for him to fade away for the time being and didn't get why Oger got more pissed instead..

JY eventually says, "Fuck Morgane! I'll show her AND the terfs," makes a dramatic re-entry into public life with Miss BC, unblocks his Twitter to talk about how he picks up garbage and helps "young girls." Now Oger's super pissed--he's the big politician, he's taken time out of his day to counsel JY, and JY basically told him to fuck himself. In come Alicia and Louise, both pro-trans at the time, and Oger's like fuck it, last straw, let's take him out.

I don't think Oger's hiding much necessarily. Him siding with TERFs over JY is a short-term benefit to him as it's shifted the terve hivemind focus from issues like VRR. Terves in turn know they can Twitter drop that article without risk of banning. Still, I suspect both he and terves see this as an alliance of immediate necessity as that against ISIS. Maybe some mutual understanding has been achieved, but both sides still figure they'll be back to fighting after neutralizing the threat they all agree has to go.

 

[<[LargeOhman0942]

Honestly, how many people who are LGBT are the product of some type of child abuse that has twisted their minds so much so they are driven to lash out against the natural order the world? I'm not saying all of them are gay because of child abuse but there really isn't any denying the fact that there has been a sharp increase in homosexuality in the past few decades which has also coincided with a sharp increase in liberalism, hook-up culture, more divorce, more virulent STDs, and people mutilating themselves all of which are signs that something is going very wrong in the systems we use to raise children.
Examples: Dickless Men Beating Women in Track and Field (Geller Report)
Transgender Removed From Mental Health Manual (Human Rights Watch)
Transgender Cover Star (HuffPost)
All of these changes to what is acceptable and normal have been made and continue to happen so rapidly that an entire segment of the western world has been conditioned to believe that it is all normal. There are a significant amount of people who believe it is a-okay for men and women mutilate their genitals because they 'feel' like they are in the wrong body. All of the cultural degeneracy (lookup incest, tranny, pedo porn in comic form or irl) to see what I'm talking about) we see today is the product of this push away from our old moral code, which western civilization was built upon, to something else. The only reasonable thing to do is this kind of a situation is to stop this move toward whatever that something else is and talk about the possible and present consequences of what is currently happening to our civilization.

 

[Munchma Quchi]

lookup incest, tranny, pedo porn in comic form or irl to see what I'm talking about.

nah bro, i'm good

 

[Cryin RN]

I did however speak with Jessica Yaniv over the phone when she called me to explain allegations about deeply-inappropriate tweets attributed to her which exist in screen shot format that she was alleged to have sent to young women and girls.
Yaniv brought up her human rights cases and her interest in standing up for transgender rights. She also expressed admiration for my work standing up for transgender persons against oppression.

I encourage transgender people to fight for our rights and to force difficult conversations out into the open. I have often encouraged any valid complaint being filed to get the difficult conversation started.

I told Jessica that I felt she would have a very difficult time with these cases and that although I support the right of all trans persons to access services free of discrimination her past history deeply undermined her intentions and exposed her and the transgender community to contempt. She claimed her statements were taken out of context and I encouraged her to publicly come clean about her past and how she has addressed her conduct to reassure everyone watching that there is no reason for concern.

To my knowledge this has never happened. Jessica Yaniv had not explained why she should be considered a safe person today in light of her past conduct that witnesses tell me was predatory.

Check out those fucking weasel words. "Allegations about deeply-inappropriate tweets". "Her past history" (of what? oh yeah, asking 12-year-olds on Tumblr to be his girlfriend). "Conduct that witnessess tell me was predatory". Oger's hedging harder than an English gardener. If he needs "cis" women to tell him when a pedo is acting like a pedo he's admitting that his judgement is seriously questionable.

 

[Munchma Quchi]

if he doesn't play the word hedging game though he opens himself up to lawsuits and he knows that. and we all know JY will drop a lawsuit if he sees an opportunity.

 

[2nd_time_user]

JY still embracing Char, Char still thinking that bein' nice to him will make it go away, terves react. In progress now, read the whole thing.

Jessica Yaniv on Twitter: "I'm not a "vexacious litigant" NOR am I th…

archived 2 Jun 2019 17:05:21 UTC

archive.is

 

[EsteemedAutismologist]

if he doesn't play the word hedging game though he opens himself up to lawsuits and he knows that. and we all know JY will drop a lawsuit if he sees an opportunity.

I think Ogre saw Alicia go down in self-inflicted flames and decided (intelligently) to dot the i's and cross the t's to try and avoid the same fate.

 

[ES 148]

I said at the beginning of the thread that Yaniv was being transparent AF, and I'll say it again. He ain't fooling nobody.

 

[AbraCadaver]

Honestly, how many people who are LGBT are the product of some type of child abuse that has twisted their minds so much so they are driven to lash out against the natural order the world? I'm not saying all of them are gay because of child abuse but there really isn't any denying the fact that there has been a sharp increase in homosexuality in the past few decades which has also coincided with a sharp increase in liberalism, hook-up culture, more divorce, more virulent STDs, and people mutilating themselves all of which are signs that something is going very wrong in the systems we use to raise children.
Examples: Dickless Men Beating Women in Track and Field (Geller Report)
Transgender Removed From Mental Health Manual (Human Rights Watch)
Transgender Cover Star (HuffPost)
All of these changes to what is acceptable and normal have been made and continue to happen so rapidly that an entire segment of the western world has been conditioned to believe that it is all normal. There are a significant amount of people who believe it is a-okay for men and women mutilate their genitals because they 'feel' like they are in the wrong body. All of the cultural degeneracy (lookup incest, tranny, pedo porn in comic form or irl) to see what I'm talking about) we see today is the product of this push away from our old moral code, which western civilization was built upon, to something else. The only reasonable thing to do is this kind of a situation is to stop this move toward whatever that something else is and talk about the possible and present consequences of what is currently happening to our civilization.

Don’t be a fuckin idiot, mate

There hasn’t been an increase in homosexuality, there’s just been decreasing odds of being fired for it and/or stoned to death. People have been gay forever, but kept in the closet because society would beat the fuck out of them for it. Now people feel safer to admit it because they won’t automatically lose their jobs or friends for coming out of the closet. Whereas Oscar Wilde went to prison for being gay back in his day.

Divorce is higher because there’s less social pressure to stay married, whereas fifty years ago you were pressured to stay even in abusive marriages, for the sake of appearances.

Hookup culture has always been a thing, but hidden behind polite talk because it “wasn’t done.” Illegitimate children born from affairs/young unmarried hookups/literal incest has been a thing since the world began. Firing a maid and sending her packing with a little hush money because she became “in the family way” by the household’s eldest son is an absolute cliche.

Pedophilia and incest has been a thing FOREVER. People just didn’t mention it in polite society. Look up penny dreadful comics from the turn of the century for utterly shameful pedo and incest comics drawn by victorians and sold under the counter at bars and shops.

STDs are more virulent because they evolve, and the medicines used to combat them inadvertently help them evolve faster by learned resistance. We no longer live in eras where you rubbed mercury on your tackle to abate syphilis or you just died from it.

Everything you’ve mentioned has been happening for centuries, but it’s only recently we decided to start publically talking about it, instead of looking the other way and covering it up to “preserve decency.”

Take yer “everything was better in the good old days” tripe and lurk more.

E: by the by, this argument of “everyone is getting more divorces lately, homosexuals are becoming more visible and numerous, stds are spreading faster, young people are hooking up at an alarming rate and treating sex casually, etc etc!!” is the exact same argument people made at the beginning of the LAST century.

Recent studies, by the way, have shown that teens and young adults are having less sex in the last ten years than they did in previous decades, for all the “hookup culture” pearl clutching. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/573949/

 

[Tragi-Chan]

What I found most telling was this quote from Morgane's article (ICYMI: http://archive.li/EMLZg):


I don't know if I'm misinterpreting this, but the initial impression I got from this sentence was, "If you're not an ally and we think you're bashing us simply for being trans, we won't address your concerns no matter how true and substantiated they may be."

It used to be the case when there was a bad actor within a group, people in that group would be almost too eager to distance themselves from the person causing trouble and quickly say, "That person doesn't represent all of us, so don't judge us accordingly." Now, loyalty among transgenders that act as mere men in dresses has apparently become first and foremost to the point they will actively defend, white knight, or justify the behavior of their bad actors while doing nothing to speak out against the offenders and their behavior.

Here, it's horrifying that Morgane has the chutzpah to write the quote I cited with his passage above that boils down to: "If we think you hate us, your concerns and criticisms -- no matter how valid -- fall on deaf ears. Now stay in your lane". If there was any doubt before, the original, mealy-mouthed quote seems to bolster the belief that Morgane's reputation is more important to self-defend than it is for Morgane to express concern about JY's history of creepy behavior towards women and girls and the harm it does to transgendered relationships and bridge-building with the community at large.

As a lawyer, Oger has no excuse for ignoring the allegations because they were made by TERFs using nasty words. This is tantamount to admitting that his judgement is subjective and unreasoned. If someone is being predatory, and there is solid, irrefutable evidence, that is all that matters.

Don’t be a fuckin idiot, mate

There hasn’t been an increase in homosexuality, there’s just been decreasing odds of being fired for it and/or stoned to death. People have been gay forever, but kept in the closet because society would beat the fuck out of them for it. Now people feel safer to admit it because they won’t automatically lose their jobs or friends for coming out of the closet. Whereas Oscar Wilde went to prison for being gay back in his day.

Divorce is higher because there’s less social pressure to stay married, whereas fifty years ago you were pressured to stay even in abusive marriages, for the sake of appearances.

Hookup culture has always been a thing, but hidden behind polite talk because it “wasn’t done.” Illegitimate children born from affairs/young unmarried hookups/literal incest has been a thing since the world began. Firing a maid and sending her packing with a little hush money because she became “in the family way” by the household’s eldest son is an absolute cliche.

Pedophilia and incest has been a thing FOREVER. People just didn’t mention it in polite society. Look up penny dreadful comics from the turn of the century for utterly shameful pedo and incest comics drawn by victorians and sold under the counter at bars and shops.

STDs are more virulent because they evolve, and the medicines used to combat them inadvertently help them evolve faster by learned resistance. We no longer live in eras where you rubbed mercury on your tackle to abate syphilis or you just died from it.

Everything you’ve mentioned has been happening for centuries, but it’s only recently we decided to start publically talking about it, instead of looking the other way and covering it up to “preserve decency.”

Take yer “everything was better in the good old days” tripe and lurk more.

E: by the by, this argument of “everyone is getting more divorces lately, homosexuals are becoming more visible and numerous, stds are spreading faster, young people are hooking up at an alarming rate and treating sex casually, etc etc!!” is the exact same argument people made at the beginning of the LAST century.

Recent studies, by the way, have shown that teens and young adults are having less sex in the last ten years than they did in previous decades, for all the “hookup culture” pearl clutching. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/573949/

Even in the 11th century, people were wringing their hands about all these inverts running about the place.

 

[<[LargeOhman0942]

Take yer “everything was better in the good old days” tripe and lurk more.

Thanks. I needed that reality check from you and everyone who reacted to my post being dumb. Spending too much time on pearl clutching boards warped by perspective on this issue. With that said I still think things are very weird today with the transgender stuff being pushed onto children. That was the main point that I was attempting to articulate in my original post but failed to do so. The events that got me thinking about this stuff was when Target added an LBGT kids clothing section, more kids than ever before are identifying as trans in England, and the drag kid dancing in a gay bar in Brooklyn.

 

[AbraCadaver]

As a lawyer, Oger has no excuse for ignoring the allegations because they were made by TERFs using nasty words. This is tantamount to admitting that his judgement is subjective and unreasoned. If someone is being predatory, and there is solid, irrefutable evidence, that is all that matters.

Even in the 11th century, people were wringing their hands about all these inverts running about the place.

Every single generation is convinced that their generation is becoming more ruinous and decadent than has ever previously been seen.

Thanks. I needed that reality check from you and everyone who reacted to my post being dumb. Spending too much time on pearl clutching boards warped by perspective on this issue. With that said I still think things are very weird today with the transgender stuff being pushed onto children. That was the main point that I was attempting to articulate in my original post but failed to do so. The events that got me thinking about this stuff was when Target added an LBGT kids clothing section, more kids than ever before are identifying as trans in England, and the drag kid dancing in a gay bar in Brooklyn.

I agree with you that the current trans push on kids is all sorts of fucked up. If children can’t be trusted with getting a tattoo at their age, they can’t be trusted to understand what getting on hormones will do to them.

Also target adding an lgbt clothing section is nothing more than a desperate cash grab over a popular fad topic. Are they saying lgbt dress differently from “normal” people? That seems problematic. Or is it just a bunch of lgbt slogans on shirts? Either way it’s just the company trying to cash in on popular sentiment right now.

 

[Cato]

As a lawyer, Oger has no excuse for ignoring the allegations because they were made by TERFs using nasty words.

Morgane Oger is not a lawyer. And virtually every comment they make on legal issues confirms this. Their background is in mechanical engineering and IT.

 

[CrispyGonad]

We have early screenshots (November/early December) of Linked-ins, google+ accounts that it looks like Jonathan set up for her, all since scrubbed. You can look through, but don't remember a picture being in any of them. Unless someone is unfortunate enough to need Langley Memorial's ER where she works, or be employed as an East Indian janitor at the Strata 55+ complex where she and apparently Jonathan live, the odds of seeing her in the wild are low. But as he's her dead son/live daughter, I would imagine there is a family resemblance that would require minimum shooping from images of Jonathan. He's already helped by wearing her clothes, putting on a lot of old-lady makeup, and helpfully feminizing his face w/snapchat.

So basically a clone of JY but with more grey pubes?

 

[Rei is shit]

Oh hey looks like we get some "proof" that he did buy Jazz's book three fucking times.

On a completely unrelated point here is some "proof" that jack is redpilled on the JY question.

Spoiler

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Still, I suspect both he and terves see this as an alliance of immediate necessity as that against ISIS. Maybe some mutual understanding has been achieved, but both sides still figure they'll be back to fighting after neutralizing the threat they all agree has to go.

This seems like a situation where people realize that the enemy of an enemy can be a friend, even if just temporary. The big question is whether such an alliance would be enough to take down JY who may not be as smart as self-believed but smart enough with PR to be able to spin negative publicity in a way that makes JY seem like the oppressed victim.

and we all know JY will drop a lawsuit if he sees an opportunity.

Even if Morgane flat out told the truth about the JY situation without using evasive language, JY would still threaten legal action; it's the one thing JY seems to know best.

ETA

Oh hey looks like we get some "proof" that he did buy Jazz's book three fucking times.

I'm not quite sure what JY's point here is with buying three copies. Is it to look more woke during Pride month? Is it to look like a good, virtue-signalling ally? Are two copies gifts for others? Or is this simply another example of JY's narcissism and overinflated self-importance?

 

[WyattRabbit2]

Keep the discussion on Yaniv,

This seems like a situation where people realize that the enemy of an enemy can be a friend, even if just temporary. The big question is whether such an alliance would be enough to take down JY who may not be as smart as self-believed but smart enough with PR to be able to spin negative publicity in a way that makes JY seem like the oppressed victim.



Even if Morgane flat out told the truth about the JY situation without using evasive language, JY would still threaten legal action; it's the one thing JY seems to know best.

ETA


I'm not quite sure what JY's point here is with buying three copies. Is it to look more woke during Pride month? Is it to look like a good, virtue-signalling ally? Are two copies gifts for others? Or is this simply another example of JY's narcissism and overinflated self-importance?

Is it photoshop?

Give me 5 minutes with Sketch, I'll prove I bought 20 copies

 

[Munchma Quchi]

every time the pages get stuck together with jizz he has to buy a new book

 

[Junkail]

With all the recent events and lawsuits coming from Jessica, I can't help but wonder if there's some underlying need for being the center of attention. Perhaps he has histrionic personality disorder?